Muhammed Caricatures
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
UPDATE Feb 4, 2006: MUSLIM RESPONSE IS HERE
Here is a permanent home for the 12 Muhammed caricatures that were printed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten. If you don’t have a sense of humor then leave. They are just cartoons and nothing more. Comments will be enabled on here so please feel free to leave them. Keep it civil and please don’t storm my website with RPGs and machine guns. Oh, flag burning is unacceptable aswell. But feel free to boycot my site as that is a peaceful means of protest.
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
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April 1st, 2007 at 1:40 am
Reply to: Mr Agony
Thankyou once again for reading my lengthy reply.
Coming to your points:
1. [ Let’s give a quick example: Guy a sleeps with woman B who is wife to guy C. guy C loves woman B more than anything in the world. And - since that love is incomprehensible to anybody else - he starts discriminating, hurting(emotionally?), blackmailing, threatening…etc (have your pick), guy A.
Question: Is this behavior acceptable? ]
A. This example doesnot befit the scenario we were discussing ie “Way of response of Muslims to the insulting caricatures”
The above example that you gave is of “Adultery” (one of the sexual crimes in which a woman and a man engage in sexual intercourse with mutual understanding outside the boudaries of wedlock) plus in this scenario having sexual relations with someones Wife is a more henious crime than with an un married woman.
Irrespective of the husband’s reaction, the Islamic Law (shariah) and the Jewish Law state that they should be publicly executed so that others may take a lesson from it as well. Jesus christ followed the Shariah of Moses as in the New Testament no new laws were stated and the sacred commandments of (Old Testament)were unchanged thus in Christianity also the punishment is the same. And if those individuals belong to some other religion he or she will be dealt according to their Sacred Law.
The reason why I am emphasizing on the (Divine) Law is that if we make laws on our own then definitely there will be bias as we will keep our own interest so the Law has to come from a Supreme Authority in whose eyes everyone is equal.
2. [ So that covered jews christians and moslems. How about atheist? I guess it still applies that they need to be killed when they are under islamic law… Your opinion please ]
A. Aetheist are wonderful people who use their intellect more than idolators as they realize the fact that an idol (carved by man himself who neither speaks, nor moves, nor can squat a fly sitting on its nose) cannot be my creator.
They also recite the first half of the kalma (Oath of Allegiance to God) La ilaha illallah (There is no god worthy of worship except God Almighty) so they proclaim the 1st of it which is “There is no god”. The other half can come thru understanding, logical reasoning, observation and deep thinking.
E.g. if I give you a DVD player in your hand and say that this DVD player came into existance out of thin air on its own, your remark will be “What kind of Foolish statement Wize is saying. Even a child won’t believe that. The DVD player cannot come into being without someone creating it which is its company.” So if a man of sound reasoning cannot accept this fact than how can he come to terms with the fact that this vast universe with its flowing rivers, seas, sky, animals plants Galaxies come into existence without someone creating it. So there should be someone with enormous resources and power to creat all this.
Also inorder to operate that DVD Player it comes with an instruction mannual which is in this case the Holy Quran (a book of Do’s and Don’ts, an up graded version of the Old and New Testament, Testifying in all the prophets before Muhammad and all the Holy Scriptures before it coming from
the same source The Almighty)
3. [ not true!!, the vast majority of muslims killed in iraq, were murdered by OTHER MUSLIMS, sunnis blowing up shias,
shias shooting sunnis, and terrorist bastards killing anyone!! ]
A. I am not a fan of Saddam but according to the Iraqis (based on a CNN documentary I had watched recently) they were much better off during the reign of Saddam wholistically than under American occupation. This morning in the programme War in Iraq on CNN, it said that between last Friday to this Sunday more than 400 Iraqis died as a result of the bombings. The point to realize is before American invasion there was not a single event of suicide bombings in Iraq and all of this started since their invasion.
4. There was another point you made regarding dictating people how to live and killing of aethists.
A. Quran clearly speaks in the chapter Al Kaafirun “La ikraaha fid Deen” ie ‘There is no compulsion in religion’ For a non muslim it means that there is no compulsion for him to accept Islam and for a Muslim it means that its not compulsory for him to follow each and every commandment instantaneously ie with in the boundaries of Law, practice the religion according to your capacity (however small or large it may be)
Quran also says that if an innocent man is killed (irrespective of his beliefs) it is as if you have killed the whole humanity and if you save an innocent man’s life its as if you have saved the whole humanity. If someone acts against this instruction he/she will be accountable.
Secondly a verse of the Quran used frequently by non Muslim critics ie “if you come across a disbeliever kill him where ever you find him” which is quoted out of context and they also skip the next verse which says “but if they come to seek refuge (donot just leave him) but escort him to a place of safety” The above verses were revealed after a peace pact broken by non muslims and then in the battle field God says that donot be afraid and when you come accross the disbelievers in fighting don’t run away rather be stead fast and kill them where ever you find them in the battle field which is something said by every Army General to boost up the soldiers moral and Islam goes even one step further by advising them to escort those who seek refuge to a place of safety.
There’s not a single verse of the Quran which goes against humanity if it is understood with proper context and logical reasoning but we Muslims are the worst sellers of our product. But there is one thing that God reveals in Quran which is whether a prophet of the time or his followers may personally visit a person to invite him to the religion of the time or not there is one guarantee which God makes in the Quran that during the lifetime of that person He will definitely show him the truth about the existence of God thru his signs (whatever it may be) untill he realizes the fact that it is God does exist and has created this universe. After this he may surrender his will to God or not thats his ‘Choice/Free Will’ its something between God and him.
Please let me know of any point left un explained or has any ambiguity.
Kind Regards
Wize
March 31st, 2007 at 11:10 pm
infidel Says:
“stay in your own shithole countries, and howl to allah all you want, but just leave the rest of the world alone!!â€
It was the United States and other Western countries that went to Muslim countries and interfered with their governments, not the other way around. The U.S. and Britain toppled a democratically elected government in Iran and replaced it with a puppet regime.
The U.S. helped bring Saddam Hussein into power and supported him financially and strategically when he was committing his worst atrocities.
The United States played both sides of the Iran-Iraq war, fuelling the war and selling weapons to both sides. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2292
According to Ramsey Clark, ( http://www.addictedtowar.com/docs/clark.htm )
Nobel Peace Prize Winner Henry Kissinger said at the beginning of that war, eight years the war, “I hope they kill each otherâ€.
infidel, did it bother you when the United States recruited and trained Muslims to fight its proxy war in Afghanistan, against the Russians? This helped to bring about the collapse of the Soviet Union and made the United States the number one super power in the word. But after the war, Afghanistan was in ruins and the United States did not even try to help in reconstructing it.
The United States just doesn’t do these kinds of military and political interventions in the Middle East; it does them in Africa, Asia, and South America, all in the name of democracy and human rights.
infidel, I know you have a hatred of Muslims, so you will not acknowledge the deaths caused by the bombings, chemical weapons, and agent provocateurs ( http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20051015&articleId=1089 )used against the Iraqis and Afghanis. But since you are a civilized human being can you at least acknowledge the 3 to 5 million Vietnamese that were killed in the 1960s and the many other military interventions by the United States in non-Muslim countries?
March 31st, 2007 at 4:02 pm
hersey allahın adıyla (BİSMİLLAHİRRAHMANİRRAHİM): ey islam kardeslerim bosu bosuna kufur etmeyin bu allah korkusu nedir bilmeyenlere cunki o serefsizler yuzunden bizim gibiler gunaha giriyoe.allah onların cezasını burda olmazsa elbet obur tarafta kat kat fazlasını verecek bunu hepimiz biliyoruz ALLAH BUTUN İNANANLARI KORUSUN.AMİN.
March 31st, 2007 at 3:40 pm
@Wize,
Finally a sound of reason on this thread. I’ve grown quite tired of the other muslims “god shall smite thee” and “you must be a jew or islam hater”
“The example stated below is just to enumerate the amount of love Muslims have for their prophet that even the slightest amount of disrespect is ‘non tolerable’.”
Incomprehensible? Sure, and actually I don’t give a damn.
Let’s give a quick example: Guy a sleeps with woman B who is wife to guy C. guy C loves woman B more than anything in the world. And - since that love is incomprehensible to anybody else - he starts discriminating, hurting(emotionally?), blackmailing, threatening…etc (have your pick), guy A.
Question: Is this behavior acceptable?
“Coming to common terms doesn’t mean embracing Islam it means agreeing to which is common between all e.g. common features between Muslims, Christians and Jews:[list]”
With embracing I meant understanding and coexisting.
So that covered jews christians and moslems. How about atheist? I guess it still applies that they need to be killed when they are under islamic law… Your opinion please.
“Mr Agony I am a young energetic individual but compared to others I have a lot of patience. If you want to be a neutral observer then don’t have a mindset about someone based on media or the misdeeds of Muslims.”
Does the mindset I gained through being a moslem for nearly 15 years of my life, reading quran/hadith AND still living with moslems and having a shekh as a father count?
(And I hope you don’t start badmouthing me like *some* other moslems on this site do)
“[examples about hitler and bush]”
Yeah this website is against all kinds of religions. I hope you noticed that. Christianity in my eyes is just as bad as islam.
By the way, didn’t some people here comment that hitler was an atheist some time ago? I don’t know and don’t really give a damn about that monsters personal believes.
“[arguments about heaven/hell/whatever]”
How does that connect to us atheists or to the conversation in general?
If you want to go to heaven do so, if you want to pray 5 times a day, fast a month, visit the kaaba and give money to the poor once a year at least do so. But when you start dedictating how people should live, then you damn well take the criticism, skepticism and hate from people who think that you’re hurting others and/or the human race in general.
By the way how old are you? That english was pretty good, and you did make nice argument(not well connected to the topic though)
About myself, I’ll be 21 in 20 minutes:D Happy april’s fool day to all of you and happy birthday to me
March 31st, 2007 at 2:35 pm
“thousands of Muslims have been killed and their families broken owing to President Bush’s war”
not true!!, the vast majority of muslims killed in iraq, were murdered by OTHER MUSLIMS, sunnis blowing up shias,
shias shooting sunnis, and terrorist bastards killing anyone!!
March 31st, 2007 at 1:15 pm
dogan #170 kardes bunların anaları babaları hıc aynı yatakya yatmazkı kım bılır bir gecede kac yatak degiştiriyo bunların anaları.Orospu Cocuklari
March 31st, 2007 at 12:46 pm
ALLAH’IM SEN ÅžU GAVURLARA FIRSAT VERME YARABBIM ARKAMIZI DONSEK BIZLE UGRASIYOLAR TUM MUSLUMAN ARKADASLARDAN(KARDESLERIMDEN)BU INSANLARIN ISLAH OLMASI VEYA HELAK OLMASI IÇIN DUA ETMELERINI ISTIYORUM. YA ALLAH BISMILLAH ALLAHU EKBER (ESSEDUENNELAILAHEILLALLAH VE ESSEDUENNE MUHAMMEDEN ABDUSUHU VE RESULIH.
March 31st, 2007 at 11:01 am
Mr Agony thankyou for reading my views and sharing us with your beautiful remarks.
The example stated below is just to enumerate the amount of love Muslims have for their prophet that even the slightest amount of disrespect is ‘non tolerable’. And depending upon the love he or she has for the prophet the response to such insulting acts will be more and more severe from that particular individual, this is something beyond the comprehension of a person belonging to other religions or beliefs (no matter how stupid or illogical it may sound).
Coming to common terms doesn’t mean embracing Islam it means agreeing to which is common between all e.g. common features between Muslims, Christians and Jews:
1. All believe in the One Almighty God who is the creator and master of all.
2. All believe that messengers are sent from God Almighty (they are the rays of light from a common source)and are people of great honour, respect and spirituality with revealed knowlege from God sent for the guidance of Humans.
3. The message of all the prophets was same ie to worship One God and not to equate any partners in His worship, endorse the message of the prophets before him, abstain people from evil and advising them to do acts of virtue.
4. The prophets of Muslims, Jews and Christians are from the same lineage of Prophet Abraham.
5. All believe in the Angels which are one of the heavenly creations of God.
6. All believe in life after death.
7. All believe in the day of Resurection when everyone shall come out of their graves and be presented before God and shall be accountable for thier actions and dealt accordingly.
Mr Agony I am a young energetic individual but compared to others I have a lot of patience. If you want to be a neutral observer then don’t have a mindset about someone based on media or the misdeeds of Muslims.
Do you know that Hitler killed more than 6 million Jews. It would be develish on my part to say that since Hitler was a Christian so Christianity promotes such acts of violence or that the teachings of Prophet Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) or Bible promote such acts of hatredness.
Likewise thousands of Muslims have been killed and their families broken owing to President Bush’s war, should I make an incorrect concept about the Christianity based on Bush’s action, No! it would be completely incorrect.
Those Muslims who make such claims that if you embrace Islam heaven is your destination etc such claims are exactly similar to the claims of Jews and Christians who say that they are on the right path and heaven is their eternal abode and they shall not goto hell except for a small number of days.
ISLAM DOESNOT GIVE SUCH GUARANTEES. According to Quran God questions those who make such claims that ‘Do they have a written contract from God ensuring Heaven?’
Quran makes it very clear that Heaven is not the Birth Right of anyone accept to anyone who Completely Submits his will to God, following his commandments.
Differences cannot be obliterated cause if there aren’t any differences then everyone will be of the same religion. The challenge is to acknowledge the differences but inspite of that finding what is common b/w one another and building bridges based on theses common features.
March 31st, 2007 at 6:37 am
“If a Muslim finds even a piece of paper with the name of Muhammad (peace be upon him) written lying on the floor, he would clean it, kiss that paper in respect and dispose it properly so that, that paper doesn’t come under anyone’s shoes.”
Thank you for telling us how illogical and stupid all moslems behave. I might be able to understand your problem with the movie, but you’ve gone way too far with this one, it’s just plain stupid!
Seriously, did you ever consider what it looks like to a neutral observer to pick up a dirty piece of paper, clean it and kiss it because a kid scribbled a name on it?
“One should resolve whatever the personal differences are and come to common terms between each other and strive to live in harmony and have respect for each others beliefs.”
How about realizing that we don’t WANT to come to terms with your religion as long as you think that you’re the only right way and all infidels(reads: the people on this site) should follow your path, pay for your protection or die?
March 31st, 2007 at 5:36 am
Humiliating an innocent and esp a Pious or Religious Personality like Prophets or priests etc irrespective of Religion is a very appalling act.
It doesnot reflect the freedom of speech rather the freedom of immorality and acts of indecency in thought, perception and actions of the individuals of that society. Which should be strongly condemmned by everyone.
As a Muslim I even condemn the acts of disrespect against Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) and the Holy Bible displayed in various websites, greeting cards and movies etc.
E.g. in the movie Mr Bean there was a scene in which on the buttocks of a person it was written “Jesus is coming, look busy” And at the end of the day people get away by just saying “It was just a movie”. If a Muslim finds even a piece of paper with the name of Muhammad (peace be upon him) written lying on the floor, he would clean it, kiss that paper in respect and dispose it properly so that, that paper doesn’t come under anyone’s shoes.
One should resolve whatever the personal differences are and come to common terms between each other and strive to live in harmony and have respect for each others beliefs.
March 31st, 2007 at 1:26 am
Fuckall website admin
March 30th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
“The name of Allah who is Rahman and Rahim”
Nice to meet you too.
“try to use your mind and see the truth.”
There are over 4000 gods in the world. Ever tried using your own mind and check out the others if they hold any truth? ..or did you just pick your parents religion?
“you have a image about that and u think that all of them are like that but you’re wrong.”
Not many have claimed that.
“im sure that if you breath the true air of islam u cant get out of its beauty..”
How many airs have you tried breathing yourself? There may be beauties out there for you to discover. In fact I can guaranty that.
“we are NOT insult your prophet.Did u think why?? because we are RESPECTFUL”
I have read books about your prophet and what he did in his lifetime. I see little reason to respect him.
“The one who believes in Allah will love and respect everything Allah created”.
Then why does the muslim civilization offer so much violence and why did Allahs prophet wage war so many times?
“you’re worse than the thought of our badness”
Here I could use some examples.
“The technology and the other things u have doesnt make you civilized”
Nobody said that I think - what other things?
March 30th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim…
The name of Allah who is Rahman and Rahim
waste of time,try to use your mind and see the truth.
doing caricatures or whatever is just waste of your time but u dont get it and youre still trying to get muslims angry to divide them. u dont know all the muslims or the look of muslims ..you have a image about that and u think that all of them are like that but you’re wrong. im sure that if you breath the true air of islam u cant get out of its beauty..
and we are respectful.we are NOT insult your prophet.Did u think why?? because we are RESPECTFUL we believe all the prophets and respect all of them..Coz all of them came from one and only Allah… The one who believes in Allah will love and respect everything Allah created…we are patient and Allah is with everyone who are patient..
and you DO TERRIBLE things everywhere…you think that you’re so pure but you’re worse than the thought of our badness..First try to be human then try to make others…
The technology and the other things u have doesnt make you civilized
March 30th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
alah onu yapan ların eminim cezasını vercektir……..
March 30th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Those iranian shitheads are REALLY pushing their luck, the sooner israel nukes the bastards, the better!!
March 30th, 2007 at 7:33 am
All prophets are false. Can we erase the prejudgement that they may have something to say? No miracle has ever been proved. No prophet has actually said anything more than common sense. Most religions resort to abrogation, obfuscation, diffusion and reinterpretation to keep a hold of the very human sayings of their “prophets” that would be godlike.
March 30th, 2007 at 7:22 am
Have you ever heard that “you can’t be a Muslim” if you do not approve “Jesus, Moses, John (the baptist), Noah, David, Salomon, Elijah …….. , Adam (peace be upon them all) ? We believe all the prophets. If we insult and even suspect just just just only one of them we become “an unbeliever” ? A Muslim never insults Jesus and other prophets. Please, please, please. Erase the prejudgement from your minds. Lets try to understand each other. Thank you…
March 29th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
@boris
Well, I seriously don’t have much knowledge about the different fractions of islam, I *think* I never actually saw a shia’a mosque around these parts, but I most likely wouldn’t be able to tell the difference if I did. I visited some of their holy places on trips and tours though, nothing too fancy. As far as I understand it the Shia’a guys just take everything connected to Mohammed’s cousin Ali and cast +5 holiness on it(I might be wrong…) but hey I am in Israel here, Allah bless the filthy zionist government which keeps allah (mostly) out of the streets.
I don’t think religious text would actually have been able to survive were it not for the freedom of interpretation and/or cherry picking parts of a religion…
@Infidel
Sorry to disappoint you… this answer is purely built upon the interpretation of the verse “wa ma yanteqo a’an al hawa” “and he[Mohammed] speaks not [vainly? without purpose? to his desire?]” means that whatever Mohammed said was revealed to him by God.
Now during some battles(including Badar I think) a fella actually corrected Mohammed’s strategy. Strikes me as a contradiction but who knows? Allah works in mysterious ways.
Anyhow, other people will give you other answers, depending on their interpretation. So you got like 1000 different combinations of answers for the question what how and why. And allah’s laughing his ass off at his followers.
Here is a funny video you might wanna watch(make sure no moslems are around first!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o7HxhAc5Zs
March 29th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Wow three caps-lock responses to my post! I must have hit a sore spot
“I have accepted it first and foremost that Muhammad (Sall Allah-o-alaihe wa sallam) was the prophet of Allah and never said or did anything without clear Divine sanction and permission”
So Islam really is a religion of violence after all..
March 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
“Question:
Assalamu alaikum
I am part of a study group & we meet weekly to read texts on the life of the prophet (s). Last night we read that the prophet (s) married Aisha (ra) at the age of 6 years and that the marriage was consummated when she was 9 years old. Could you please sketch the background/context to this event? Secondly, how should we deal with questions from non-Mulsims regarding this marriage & the apparent young age of Aisha when marriage contracted (at age 6)?
Best regards and Shukran jazilan.
Dr Faadiel Essop
Cape Heart Center, UCT Medical School, Cape Town, South Africa
September 08, 2000
ANSWER:
Dear Dr Faddiel Essop! Wa alaikum assalam.
In the loving and brotherly manner that you approach this Website, compels me never to let any of your query go not adequately answered - and to the best of my knowledge. Yet, the issue you raised - or the like, which attempt to question the seerah, and behaviour of the Prophet of Islam (Sall Allah-o-alaihe wa sallam) makes me sad, and I find it hard to discuss. Why, because, as a Muslim, I have accepted it first and foremost that Muhammad (Sall Allah-o-alaihe wa sallam) was the prophet of Allah and never said or did anything without clear Divine sanction and permission - Ma yantiqo anil hawa’; in huwa illa’ wahyun yooha’ - al-Qur’an - that: he (the Prophet) never said (or did) anything of his own liking, but what was revealed to him. That being the position I never dare to question what the Prophet did and why. I wished you had avoided this marriage or age question related to the beloved wife of the Prophet (Sall Allah-o-alaihe wa sallam) who, according to Ha’kim (Mustadarak) was shown to him in his dream by an angel saying: A’isha is your wife. This means the marriage was ordained by Allah Himself ”
Isnt this a big laugh????, the ragheads don’t like these type of questions, se him wriggle around in the quote below…..
“I never dare to question what the Prophet did and why. I wished you had avoided this marriage or age question related to the beloved wife of the Prophet ”
YEAH, I just bet you do!!,lol
“This means the marriage was ordained by Allah Himself ”
YEAH, RIGHT, so thats ok then, gods will to fuck who he wanted, you ragheads are such SAD bastards, using “gods will” as a cover for anything, hahahaha
March 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
ARKADAÅžLAR BOÅžVERÄ°N KÃœFRETMEYÄ°N KÃœFÃœR MÃœSLÃœMANLARA YAKIÅžMAZ
BIRAKALIM ALLAHLARINDAN BULSUNLAR
March 29th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
SONRA YALVARACAKSINIZ AMA İŞ İŞTEN GEÇMİŞ OLACAK GÖRÜRSÜNÜZ
NE ALIP VEREMEDİĞİNİZ VAR BİZDEN ANLAMIYORUM
HZ.MUHAMMED(S.A.V) İ DE ALLAH GÖNDERMİŞ.
İSA PEYGAMBERİDE LÜTFEN AYRIM YAPMAYIN HİÇ ARAŞTIRDINIZ MI KUTSAL KİTAPLARI ARAŞTIRANLAR HEMEN MÜSLÜMAN OLDU ALLAH AKIL VERMİŞ ARAŞTIRIN DİYE SİZ ARAŞTIRMADIĞINIZA GÖRE DEMEKKİ SİZ AKILSIZSINIZ BUNLAR YANINIZA KALMAYACAK
March 29th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
TERBÄ°YESÄ°ZLER!!!!
ALLAH Ä°NÅžALLAH BAÅžINIZDAN BELA,FELAKET EKSÄ°K ETMESÄ°N
ÖLDÃœKTEN SONRA GÖRECEKSÄ°NÄ°Z TEK DÄ°LEĞİM Ä°NÅžALLAH CAYIR CAYIR YANARSINIZ….
March 29th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Mohamed will probably tell you that you got it from jewish websites and that his prophet is the noblest man who has ever lived.
Bit of an insult really to all those great people in history who has always done good, never hurt anyone, invented stuff and ideas that made the world a better place and never dreamt of saying “I am Gods right hand and you shall all obey me and follow my crazy rules - or you will all burn forever!!”.
March 29th, 2007 at 3:35 am
“…from a child molesting, desert bandit…”
not having studied kuran (sp?) or speaking arabic, the evidence that i have seen so far totally supports that statement. can someone refute it, with some honest evidence that doesn’t involve “‘t was like that back then” kind of bullshit? if not, i find the “desert bandit” quote to be most appropriate.
March 29th, 2007 at 3:30 am
@agony
i think the whole interpretation dealy is not unlike the xtian one, just look at the many sects of xtianity that exist these days. boils down to a very simple principle: over the years the scripture has been re-interpreted, diluted, adjusted and whatever else… this applies to all of abrahamic religions, islam included. not having been in one of the towel-headed countries, i wonder if you can drive down the street and see five churches of different denominations like i can here in the good ole’ USA. i know islam is already segmented, just not sure if its as wide-spread as xtianity.
March 28th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
Infidel, calm down. “Real Moslem” only made a point all religions do:
“Those guys(whoever they are) are not true $religion”
Pretty weak and over used point… but still, at least he’s civil about it(and he actually tried to use english).
So tell me buddy: Are you a real moslem? Do you know anybody who can be called a real moslem?
Heck I’d be surprised if a real moslem ever existed(except in fairy tales) according to the standards these guys set!
Now to your quran: Which interpretition should we take? I think there are like… ummmm… 50 different contradicting ones.
Have a nice day and quit telling people they’re wrong. It only makes you look stupid.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:39 am
to “real muslim”,
YOU are the stupid fucker!!, for believing in a bullshit book from a child molesting, desert bandit.
stay in your own shithole countries, and howl to allah all you want, but just leave the rest of the world alone!!
March 28th, 2007 at 11:35 am
We as a “deep” muslims we don’t take in consederation the caricature because muhammed (pbuh) is already be won by the ALLAH,so the problem is that muslims never chut out such behaviours,so why they did this.the answer is simply because that they no that islam is the truth.
March 28th, 2007 at 11:29 am
All these quotes have nothing to do with the main subject.and at last it comes to heaven or hell and we will see what is true.
March 28th, 2007 at 8:57 am
What do you do know? You are a stupid person.You know what muslim ??? We believe Allah.You don’t know reals.You are thinking HZ. Ä°SA son of Allah.That is very wrong.We know Hz.Ä°sa but End prophet Hz.Muhammed.If you wanna learn, go for reading kur’an. YOU ARE WRONG alllllllll.
March 27th, 2007 at 10:30 am
ibneeler ak bu karikatürleri yapani sksinler. terbiyesizler. ibneler.
March 27th, 2007 at 10:28 am
terbiyesizlikten başka hiç bişi değildir. aip insanlarin dini inançlarina saygi gösterilmesi lazimdi.ensefle kiniyorum.
March 26th, 2007 at 8:50 am
I don’t WANT to know islam, I just wish that muslims would fuck off back to islamic countries and stay there!!!
March 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
you dont know islam very much >>>>>>>>>7asbeya allah 3aleak
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:08 am
muslims are living proof that dogs can successfully mate with pigs!!!!!
March 23rd, 2007 at 1:36 am
Hello! I like the beginning you r site’s content, that cherishes humor, and detests violence. And i also appreciate your concern for keeping it “civil”. However, why this discrimination of “keeping it civil” with Muslim protests only?? Have you gone through anti-Muhammed comments given by the non-Muslims on this page?? They are by no means civil. You might as well do somethng about that.
My two cents.
March 22nd, 2007 at 4:59 am
mohammed was an APE
March 21st, 2007 at 11:34 am
IT IS TRUE THAT MUHAMMED WAS A TERRORIST AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES SUCH AS TURKEY IRAN ARE TERRORISTS
March 20th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
bunu yayınlayanın fuck all
March 20th, 2007 at 7:29 am
mohammed was a shit of the desert, and a child molestor, i piss and shit on the koran and wipe my ass with it!!, mohammed sucked allahs cock, muslims all take it up the ass
March 19th, 2007 at 11:26 pm
Ulrik,
The bad things that you think he did, that’s what you red in the suspecious web sites that has been made by Jewis, or coptic Christians who are discriminated against in Muslim country(I don’t deny this truth), they try to pick a something and make out a bad thing.
The other thing, you measuer Muhammed, by today’s culture, and that’s dead wrong, to understand Muhammed, you have to read the history of this era, and you will know he didn’t do anything wrong.
You said he took slave, and that even was before Islam, one of them was kid lost his parents, and after they find the kid, the kid choosed to stay with Muhammed, why do you think kid would choose Muhammed over his parents, would you please tell me.
I really respect you as a person and I respect your way of conversation, but I wish if you try harder to understand, and you will get the answer why this people said that about him.
These people who wrote these quotes, they just red books, which mostly talk the truth about Muhammed away from the Jewish saying lies about Muhammed, now a days anybody want say a lie, he can make a blog and make a lot of lies, or go write in wikipedia what ever he think is right.
Muhammed is the noblest man came to the earth no dobut about it, and that’s why we got mad, because the lies, no the truth like you claim.
Our love to Muhammed is something god plant in Musims hurts, it’s not going to change over the time, as long as there are Muslims, we will defend our prophet, but I hope Muslims understnad that Islam is so rich, and the means to spread it is unlimited, we don’t have to fight any more to spread Islam, the whole internet is open, and I hope more Muslim take the chance and try to do more.
The funny thing, that Muslims has no missions like the mormons or the christians and yet we still the fastest spread religion in the world, and I red last month, that the interior minister in Germany attacked Islam, after report show that the rate of converting to Islam is the highest, so he attacked Islam, but he is stupid, because 9/11 didn’t stop it, so he tries to stop it.
And the same happend in Holland and for the same reason.
Nothing will hurt Islam, nor these cartoons, nor somebody stupid try to attack Islam no matter what is his position, nor even 9/11.
All
March 19th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
Thanks for the response mohamed.
My reply may dissapoint you. The fact that your prophet is on that list does not make him a noble person.
“Prophet of Islam; conqueror of Arabia; Hart recognized that ranking Muhammad first might be controversial, but felt that, from a secular historian’s perspective, this was the correct choice because Muhammad is the only man to have been both a founder of a major world religion and a major military/political leader.”
conqueror of Arabia and a controversial choice. He was succesful in founding a world religion and had military and political success. It’s just that these facts does not make your prophet a noble man. If Hitler had won second world war and founded a religion (which he tried) he would have fitted the same description.
Hart ranked Muhammed high because muslims today are more influenced by him than christians are by Jesus - which is in my view rather scary considering what kind of man Muhammed was.
Too prove Muhammed was a noble man you quote George Bernard Shaw saying that the dictatorship of Muhammed would bring peace and harmony. Here I must point out that Bernard Shaw was a Stalinist and a great admirer of the dictator Joseph Stalin who killed around 20.000.000 people.
Your last two quotes tells of a great man and a great culture and I would aggree with you that they spoke of the noblest man on earth if it wasn’t for the bad things he did during his life as a prophet. If a man should be called the noblest man ever to live he must have NO blood or evil deeds on his conscience - your prophet had that and plenty too.
March 19th, 2007 at 7:42 am
nerde varsa bir kürt iki dürt bi sürt
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March 19th, 2007 at 7:42 am
nerde varsa bir kürt iki dürt bi sürt
nerde varsa bir kürt iki dürt bi sürt
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March 19th, 2007 at 7:41 am
bütün yahudiler orospu çocuğu onlara destek verenlerde orospu çocuğu bu danimarkalılarda orospu çocuğu aramızda da çok orospu çocuğu var
March 19th, 2007 at 7:04 am
arkadaşlar bunları çizen orospu çocuğu ama aramızda öle orospuçocukları varki onların yaptıklarından hoşnut oluyolar aslında bu gerizekalılar bilmeden belki yapıyolar ama bu aramzdaki götverenlere bi baksanıza asıl onların yedi cedlerini sikmek lazım
March 19th, 2007 at 12:32 am
Ulriks,
Here are quotes from people red about Muhammed from books, not from media, and from web sites written by Jewish, read if you want to know the truth, it’s easy to hate somebody and you ready to hate him, you don’t to be neutral and read the right thing.
Here are some quotes
) Michael H. Hart of USA who wrote “The 100 most influential persons in history” and placed Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as number one, on the top of the list.
2) Carly Florina, CEO of Hewlett Packard. 3) George Bernard Shaw
4) Lamartine 5) Gandhi
What Notable Non-Muslim’s have said about Islaam and Muhammad, son of ‘Abdullah, peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him.
Michael H. Hart of USA, compiled a ranking list of the 100 most influential persons in the history of the entire humanity, who authored book “The 100 most influential persons”, published in 1978 by Hart Publishing Company Inc. He ranked Muhammad peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, as the number one, at the top of his list.
Following are brief excerpts from the chapter on Muhammad peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him.
“My choice of Muhammad to lead the best of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.
Of humble origins, Muhammad founded and promulgated one of the world’s great religions, and became an immensely effective political leader. Today thirteen centuries after his death, his influence is still powerful and pervasive.
The majority of the persons in this book had the advantage of being born and raised in centers of civilization, highly cultured or politically pivotal nations. Muhammad, however, was born in the year 570, in the city of Mecca, in southern Arabia, at that time a backwards area of the world, far from the centers of trade, art and learning. Orphaned at the age of six, he was reared in modest surroundings. Islamic tradition tells us that he was illiterate.â€
“When Muhammad died, in 632, he was the effective ruler of all of Southern Arabiaâ€.
About the rapid spread of Islaam which continued after the demise of Muhammad, Michael Hart writes that the lands that accepted Islaam included â€The Northeast of Arabia the larger Neo-Persian Empire of Sassamids; to the northwest bay Byzantine, or Eastern Roman Empire, centered in Constantinople . . . all of Mesopotamia, Syria and Palestine.â€
“By 711, North Africa, to the Atlantic Ocean, then the Visigoth Kingdom of Spain . . . stretching from the boarders of India to the Atlantic Ocean, the largest empire that the world had yet seenâ€.
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George Bernard Shaw:
“I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving the problems in a way that would bring the much needed peace and happiness. Europe is beginning to be enamored of the creed of Muhammad. In the next century it may go further in recognizing the utility of that creed in solving its problems.”
(A Collection of writing of some of the eminent scholars, 1935).
Lamartine’s tribute to the Prophet:
“If greatness of purpose, smallness of means and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could claim to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad?”
(Histoire de la Turquie, 1855).
Gandhi:
“I become more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers and his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacleâ€.
(Young India, 1922).
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Part of the speech given by Carly Florina, CEO of Hewlett Packard, at Minnesoata, Minneapiolis September 26, 2001
Titled “WHAT DOES OUR FUTURE DEMAND OF LEADERS TODAY?”
There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.
It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.
One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.
And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and logarithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.
Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.
When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.
While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.
Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.
And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.
This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.
In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.” CEO of Hewlett Packard Carly Florina
March 18th, 2007 at 6:01 pm
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Iraq’s Mandaeans ‘face extinction’
By Angus Crawford
BBC News, Damascus
Islamic militants forced Selwan to jump into a bonfire
The Sabian Mandaeans - one of the oldest religious groups in the world - are facing extinction, according to its leaders.
They claim that Islamic extremists in Iraq are trying to wipe them out through forced conversions, rape and murder.
The Mandaeans are pacifists, followers of Adam, Noah and John the Baptist.
They have lived in what is now Iraq since before Islam and Christianity.
More than 80% have been forced to flee the country and now live as refugees in Syria and Jordan.
Even there they do not feel safe - but they say western governments are unwilling to take them in.
Victim voices
There are thought to be fewer than 70,000 of the Sabian Mandaeans spread across the world - only 5,000 are left in Iraq.
Mazen’s legs are peppered with machine gun wounds
Nine-year-old Selwan likes watching cartoons and playing football.
But he is too scared to leave his flat. The other children tease him.
He has burns all down the side of his face and on 20% of his body.
He was kidnapped by Islamic militants who forced him to jump into a bonfire - because he is Mandaean.
Now his family lives in a tiny flat in a slum in Damascus.
I meet Luay. He is too scared to be identified and does not want to use his full name.
He was dragged off the street by armed men and forcibly circumcised - a practice not allowed in the Mandaean religion.
He is 19 and is now unlikely ever to find a bride from his own faith.
Worse, he was forcibly converted. That means in the eyes of those same extremists, if he now declares himself Mandaean he is apostate.
To the extremists, that makes him a traitor to Islam, who may be murdered. He says he will not be safe in any Muslim country.
‘Convert or die’
Then there is Enhar, raped by a gang of masked men in front of her husband - because she would not wear a veil.
Our ethnic minority and our ancient religion will die off
Kanzfra Sattar, Mandaean bishop
Mazen used to be a prosperous jeweller. Now he lives in a cramped flat, with his wife and children. Water drips through the ceiling.
His legs are peppered with machine-gun wounds, he can barely walk.
Shoaki wears a Manchester United hat and shows me the scars where a gang beat and cut him with a knife - he watched his brother murdered in front of him.
Mandaean elders use words like annihilation and genocide - they believe Islamic militants, both Sunni and Shia, offer them two choices - convert or die.
“Some will not consider us people of the book… they see us as unbelievers, as a result our killing is allowed,” says Kanzfra Sattar, one of only five Mandaean bishops left worldwide.
‘Wait in line’
He believes they are a litmus test for modern Iraq - in a secular state these doctors, engineers and jewellers would thrive.
Kanzfra Sattar is one of only five Mandaean bishops left
In the country as it is without law and in the grip of religious extremism, he fears they will be destroyed.
“We are small in numbers, we ask all the governments of the world to extend a hand of help,” Kanzfra Sattar says.
He says he wants the West to accept his people as refugees.
I ask him what will happen if they do not - he replies simply: “Our ethnic minority and our ancient religion will die off.”
The UN’s refugee agency, the UNHCR, says there may be as many as a million Iraqis who have fled to Syria.
“The numbers that will be resettled are tiny compared to the very large numbers that are here,” says Laurens Jolles, the head of a UNHCR team.
He acknowledges that the Mandaeans will just have to “wait in line”, with other vulnerable groups.
Roughly two million Iraqis have fled to Syria, Jordan and Turkey. But there are no plans to welcome large numbers to the West.
The US has offered places to 7,000, while Britain says it will consider every case “on its merits”.
So the Mandaeans wait in line.
Shoaki puts it more simply: “Here, we live in despair.”
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ISLAM, the religion of peace……………………
WHAT BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!
March 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
“Truth never hurts”
Then why are you in denial? Why don’t you just simply say “Yes Muhammed had slaves and waged war. He was not perfect but that is not important today. Today Islam is about love and peace”.
“Muhammed wasn’t violent, and they try to stick it to
him and that’s why we got mad”
You see? Any book about Muhammed will tell you that he used many means to achieve his goals, among them was violence, assasinations, threats of hellfire and plunder. Do you want me to list some of them? Truth does hurt and I bet you are afraid to open a book about the subject.
“They could use Usame Bin Laden instead, nobody would care, they can use who ever, whu Muhammed?, because they know that would get Muslims mad with their lies.”
Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with the cartoons and it was not about making anybody mad. The cartoons were a newspapers battle against a religious tabu which have no place in Denmark - again you have failed to learn from what people tells you.
“Muhammed was the most nobel peson came to the world and nobody will come like him, so it’s lies.”
Please tell what makes him the noblest man on earth - otherwise people may think that you yourself is a liar.
March 18th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
who ever the fuck drew these images and whoever is on the supporting side you are a fukin ignorant son of a bitch. if u have a problem with me get at me any day
March 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pm
The plastenina protesting all their life, did any one pay attention to them?, no.
In lebanon if they didn’t defend them self, no body would listen, Israel would continue killing labness and nobody cares, Million of Americans protesting the war, and who listens?
It’s big lie, I support protesting and trying the peacefull meaning first, but what if it didn’t work, Israel should keeo killing more inoccent huh.
Truth never hurts, lies the ones it hurts, Muhammed wasn’t violent, and they try to stick it to him and that’s why we got mad, they could do the cartoon in a million ways to refer to Muslims and violent with out saying lies about Muhammed. They could use Usame Bin Laden instead, nobody would care, they can use who ever, whu Muhammed?, because they know that would get Muslims mad with their lies.
Muhammed was the most nobel peson came to the world and nobody will come like him, so it’s lies.
March 18th, 2007 at 10:13 am
This is way before that one actually, like season 5 or 6, and it was aried on TV. This was pre caricature madness, and it looks like no one even knows/or cares about it. Here I found it Season 5, July 2001…thats interasting. So it was pre sep 11 as well huh?? HMMMMMMM, and no one got up in arms about it or screamed, or rioted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Best_Friends
Yeah, it even states that when this episode aried there was nothing even mentioned about it. It has been aired numerous times and no one has said a word. Muhammad was shown, as is the main arguement, but no one even cares about it.
March 18th, 2007 at 8:44 am
Simply because it wasn’t aired. Fear of islamic violence won there too. Here is what Wikipedia tells:
“Most recently South Park has indirectly attacked the rising censorship in its April 2006 two-part episode, “Cartoon Wars Part I” and “Cartoon Wars Part II”. The creators challenged Comedy Central by ending Part I with the disclaimer that the second part of the two-parter episode, will only be shown if Comedy Central does not “puss out”.
The following episode, “Cartoon Wars Part II”, that aired April 12, 2006, replaced the scene of Muhammad on Family Guy with a title card stating that Comedy Central had refused to show a depiction of Muhammad on their network.”
March 18th, 2007 at 5:50 am
Quick question, I haven’t sifted through all the comments yet, but does anyone else remember the Southpark episode called “Super Best Friends?” Muhammed and all of the major relgious figures all join toghter to fight off David Blane, um how come no one freaked out about that?
March 18th, 2007 at 5:29 am
Thats the beauty of freedom, and the abality to say whatever you want. It is a two edged sword, and yes you have the right to call athiests stupid, and they have the right to get mad about it, but they don’t have the right to start killing people or buring buildings and rioting because of it. Thats the point here. By all means, get mad, protest the cartoons, that is your right. But you can not cross the line to just start murdering people because they don’t have the same views of see something as sacred as you do. And while its fucked up, you do have the right not to care about someone who gets run over by a car. For the record, drawing cartoons that cause hurt feelings and seeing someone suffer extreme trauma in front of you are really nothing alike at all emotinally, that is really a bad example.
March 18th, 2007 at 3:02 am
“So when we say athiest are stupid, that’s our right, when we say athiest going directly to hell, that’s our right too.”
Yes if you can prove it. A bit hard because research has shown otherwise. If not you would use your freedom of speech to tell a lie you cant back up.
the hell thing does taste a bit like a threat. Like if I said all religious people will one day be killed and that they would deserve it.
“So that’s mean we shouldn’t care about your feeling, and peopl can make fun of each other.”
Of course we should - its just that the principles of freedom is more important than hurt feelings.
The newspaper simply responded to a growing fear in the population.
They posted images of Muhammed because many were afraid to do that. innocent muslim feelings were hurt in Denmark yes and that is sad but now they know. Threats of violence will not be accepted.
The really sad thing is that the threat of violence actually worked. I myself played a christian arabian warrior in a comical play shortly after - the director didn’t have the guts to make him a muslim.
“It’s our right to get mad, and it’s not your business to critzise us if we got so mad, the same logic you use.”
It is okay to get mad - it’s not okay to use violence and threats of violence.
The interesting thing is why do muslim get so worked up about it and similar things? Does the truth hurt?
March 18th, 2007 at 12:26 am
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ESHEDU ENLA ILAHE ILLALLAH VE ESHEDU ENNE MUHAMMEDEN ABDUHU VE RASULUH
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March 17th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
So when we say athiest are stupid, that’s our right, when we say athiest going directly to hell, that’s our right too.
So that’s mean we shouldn’t care about your feeling, and peopl can make fun of each other.
So next time I will remember your words, so when I see somebody run over with a car, I will make fun of him, why should I care about his feeling.
It’s our right to get mad, and it’s not your business to critzise us if we got so mad, the same logic you use.
March 17th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Fatima,
“I have a scence of humor, but It is strictly prohibited, to draw immages of Muhammad”
Wrong, it is strictly prohibited FOR MOSLEMS to draw images of Muhammed. The rest of the world can do whatever the hell they like.
March 17th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
Mohammed/Fatima:
I just wanna say that any THING or any ONE person that can not stand up to jokes and humor, is the cause of their own suffering. What does it matter what others think of you or your religion? If you are so strong in your belief’s/faith, then why do a bunch of insulting cartoons bother you? None of this matters, everyone will be judged (in your opinion) and be held accountable for their actions.
Does getting offended and angry make you a better muslim? Are you guys like the Christians so much that you have to keep score on Earth to justify your place in Virgin-land? Don’t you see the similarities this kinda of mentality shares with that of a child?
March 17th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
I don’t like it.This is not Islam.And it shows critisizm of other peoples belife.Those Danish folks are Christian, and they are making fun of another Godly Faith, forgetting that we worship their same God.
I have a scence of humor, but It is strictly prohibited, to draw immages of Muhammad,(Alayhi,salatulAllah).
I don’t laugh at it either.And I was not even born Muslim, nor am i from the Middle East, North Africa, or South west Asia.
March 17th, 2007 at 1:29 am
Inspector Tiger,
Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate people like you, I understand your situation and how hard for you to form an opinion.
You don’t need to opolgize for something, both Iraq and 9/11 are the reason for accusing Muslims with a lot of misconception, so it’s all related.
The only thing I want you to know, that what ever happens in Iraq from people killing each other, because stupid traditions and reatliation, and it happens every where in ME, even in some part of Egypt, if you killed someone in a family, the victim family has to kill you or one of your family, and then it starts like that.
And all of that has nothing to do with Islam, it’s just stupid culture teaching and people stick it to Islam.
I hope all the USA army would be the same like you, I think we would be better off.
March 17th, 2007 at 1:14 am
Mohamed
Ok, you have got me there. I honestly don’t have an opionin about why we went into Iraq, I do believe that there were grave culutral mis-understandings and alot of arrogance, but I won’t get any deeper then that, becuase its never good for people in my postion to start forming opioins.
No, again good point with Africa. I am not comparing US to them, I was just saying that the Age of War is no where near over. I actaully want to apoligize because I just jumped on the ‘Iraq’ card, and you so quickly. But it isn’t a defeat yet. It is one hellva a quagmire and we did get in way over our heads, but the people here are re buidling and re covering from the war. Yes I know we caused the war, but we are trying to fix things here to. I don’t know anything about the political side, all I know is what I do and see every day with the people I work with. There is alot of other factors in this country(Iraq) that are causing the vilonece, things that we in the west fail to understand.
And I do know that this has nothing to do with the actaull article, I just jumped on the bandwagon because I figured with 2000+ comment everything that can be said has been. So Mohamed, till the next article eh?
March 16th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
Inspector Tiger,
So if it’s not defeat, would you please name it for me?
What progress are you talking about?
It was mistake for USA to be there in first place, but now the mistake happend, and it would be disaster it USA pulls out, for sorry the idiot that has the idea to go to the war in Iraq thought it would be an easy money, and he is ignorant about the culture of these people.
There are wars in Africa, I agree with, this people fight because they are not civilized, so do you want to put USA in the same boat with African countries.
Do you think that the American gov was there to help the Iraqi?, the situation that USA in now is embarrasing and that’s why they don’t want to pull out, it’s not because a sense of responsiblity.
It’s all about the world watching out what hole USA put her self in for sorry.
So iraq become a bet betweem USA and the other to see who is going to win, and the Iraqi people don’t matter.
I’m not against the USA miliary, you are doing your job, doing what you told to do, you are not the ones to blame.
March 16th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
@Mohamed
“I really don’t like your mentality, you should do better if you are smarter, the era of war is over, it’s all about econmic and scince, who is better in these two fileds will rule the world”
Since when? Do you know how many other wars are being waged right now? The world is full of them, not just Iraq. Iraq is childs play compared to some of the deep and dark ones going on in the heart of Africa. I wish the era of war was over, but it never will be. There will always be a need for an military of some kind to protect a nation or people, and please explian how some one could rule the world…I have yet to figure that out.
That shows your mentality, it’s always war for you, and if you are an American, you will understand that the war was the worst choice USA has taken, USA defeatd the biggest power(Soveit Union) without a war, USA dealt with it right, and now when they used war like you encourage, here is the result, humliatind defeat, but for sorry there is now winner
Um what defeat? We are still in Iraq, I am there right now. I know all we see on TV is Baghdad and military people getting killed, but there is alot of progress over here to. I know, I work with the Iraqi people every day and I see alot of good things. The Soviet Union destroyed itself, we just showed them that we weren’t going to back down from them.
March 16th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
“Please read for Really ISLAM About
ISLAM is LOVE religion…”
Please dont waste your time here. Go convince your muslim brothers about your view of Islam.
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billede:ImageProblem.gif
March 16th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
you racist people you make me sick nobheads
March 16th, 2007 at 3:31 am
You don’t know ISLAM. :( - Siz ISLAM’ı bilmiyorsunuz.
Please read for Really ISLAM About
ISLAM is LOVE religion…
vesselam…
March 16th, 2007 at 1:57 am
@mohamed
WTF do you know about what anyone did to the muslims? or what muslims did to others? were you there? i f-ing was. it was a war and very ugly things happen in war. on all sides. i lived in a predominately muslim town, non-muslim villages around town were massacred without question. same thing happened to muslim villages around serbian towns.
where i come from we call all muslims turks. a very simplistic point of view, one that i didn’t agree with when i was younger. as i learned whats really going on i started seeing its not that misguided at all. i see a very clear situation: the muslims that are in western countries (europe or USA) don’t like said western culture. so WTF are you doing here? go back where you came from, know that you turks will never be welcome in europe, as long as you follow that retarded religion of yours anyways.
March 16th, 2007 at 12:55 am
Boris,
“as far as the yugoslavian comment, i am serbian. we have a long and proud history of keeping you turks out of europe.”
No comment, you just showed how ignorant you are, and you are Serbian, that’s even worse, and I think most of the readers here doesn’t know what you did in Muslims, putting childern in prisons, 11 years and even less.
You are really disgusting, I really don’t like to use this language, but I just can’t help it.
March 15th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
serbians kick turk ass!!……eat shit turks
March 15th, 2007 at 8:19 am
3 words: Muslims
are
ignorants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 15th, 2007 at 3:23 am
@mohamed
as far as the yugoslavian comment, i am serbian. we have a long and proud history of keeping you turks out of europe.
March 15th, 2007 at 3:21 am
@mohamed
i can’t be president, i wasn’t born in this the united states.
March 14th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
fuck you greece and fuck you danimarka and fuck you france and fuck you america and fuck armanian and
I’m your mother and sister to fuck you..!!!!
fuck you hristiyan
March 14th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Dear people;
My name is Anıl,I’m Turkish and I’m muslim.I’m 15 and I live Turkey Hz.Muhammed is my PROPHET..Your PROPHET is MOUSA.We show respect your prophet.Please you show respect our prophet.Some Turkısh people swear you..
Because you make angry they..
I’m sorry…And please dont tease we.
Later we trouble you.. Understand me,ok?
Swears(Ananı sikim=I fuck your mum)
(piç=bastard)
END PROPHET IS HZ.MUHAMMED=SON PEYGAMBER HZ.MUHAMMED’DÄ°R.
ACCEPT OR DONT ACCEPT, THÄ°S Ä°S REAL AND RÄ°GHT
Anıl SİNAN
(Nurettin Genclioglu Anatolian High Scholl)
MuÄŸla/Marmaris/Turkey
March 13th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Boris,
You really scare me, I hope you don’t become a president one day:)
So I was right about you from Yugoslavia, now I can say I know who you are:)
March 13th, 2007 at 11:16 am
nasıl yaptınız bukadar rezil bir şeyi
doÄŸru ÅŸeref onur nedir bilmeyenden ne beklersin
ey yaşlı kur avrupa kor yok hata titre müslümanlar seni içten fet edecek sanama ki böyle oyunlarla önleyeceğini
March 13th, 2007 at 1:47 am
@gasmonso
without firing a shot? hardly. many conflicts were fought before cold war took a very predictable end. if you look at the US foreign policy since WW2 it really hasn’t changed that much (if at all). the one thing that has changed is the media coverage and appeasing the general populace in one way or another.
war in iraq was a mistake. we should have fought iran and siria instead. and throw in pakistan too, no idea how they got on the list of “allies”. oh wait the nukes yah right.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:40 am
@mohamed
i was born in yugoslavia, now i am a US citizen.
March 13th, 2007 at 1:10 am
Mohamed, I agree with you on one point. You are absolutely correct in saying that the US defeated the USSR without firing a shot. The key to that was diplomacy and patience… both of which the current US government lacks.
I truly don’t understand why the US doesn’t engage its enemies in discussion anymore. The knee-jerk reaction to start war is rather ignorant and childish and only leads to more war.
It seems that wisdom has given way to action and that is scary.
gasmonso
March 12th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
Boris,
“survival of our species ultimately means war. i wish it wasn’t this way but it is. i am also looking towards the elements least likely to promote this species in the grand scale of things. your guess is as good as mine… ”
That shows your mentality, it’s always war for you, and if you are an American, you will understand that the war was the worst choice USA has taken, USA defeatd the biggest power(Soveit Union) without a war, USA dealt with it right, and now when they used war like you encourage, here is the result, humliatind defeat, but for sorry there is now winner.
I really don’t like your mentality, you should do better if you are smarter, the era of war is over, it’s all about econmic and scince, who is better in these two fileds will rule the world.
I really have hard time believing you are an educated man, and if you are really educated, that will be even worse.
March 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Boris,
Are you from United States?
I thought you are from Yougoslavia!!!
I remember you said you are from there, and that’s why I said this, so why you always talking about Europe?
I’m pretty sure you said that.
Infiedel, I have no answer to you, your nick name is enough:)
March 12th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
bilal suck my danish cock
March 12th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
ulan danımarkalılar sizin ananızı sikim başka bişi yapmıyorum BİLAL AND TURKEY PEOPLES FUCKED DANİMARKA PEOPLESSSSS!!!OKEY
March 12th, 2007 at 11:14 am
analarınızı sikelim orospu çocukları
March 11th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2hieiZ-v00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2F-s9AK00k
Just watch these…
March 11th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
The Moslims in Turkey accuse Christians of making Jesus a God. I wonder why they are hurt, when people make some caricatures about their prophets… Prophets are also normal human beings like us, they were only obliged to show us the way of God. They can be chosen, but that doesn’t make anyone better than the other. It is same for religions, if they aim something good, they all are right. Remember what Lessing wrote centuries ago:
“The king had one ring, but he had 3 sons. He had the best blacksmith called and made 2 same rings, which are exactly the same. After the king died, the sons argued about the rings, they want to learn which one is the right one. And the wise man says, don’t waste your time, all of them are from same metall, they all are rings, so they serve for the same usage. And king wanted so, because he loved ALL his sons.”
Centuries ago he told about tolerance and after centuries people behave like barbarians. I don’t get it. Let everyone does everything, whatever they want, just try to be good, because good=God.
March 11th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
mohamed…..go and find some goats to fuck!!!!
March 11th, 2007 at 5:41 am
@mohamed
“I have no discussion with you”
no one on this site has any discussion with you. since you started posting here you repeat the same thing over and over again. your pitiful mastery of the english language also prevents any serious discussion.
“I know who you are”
no you don’t.
“and seriously I have no respect to you”
what ever am i going to do now???
“and I really feel bad for the peopl who has to scoilize with you on the real life”
ROFL they manage but it’s not easy i’m sure.
“because you seem to me that you are trashy person and want the war to be the bases of any argument or any differnce”
survival of our species ultimately means war. i wish it wasn’t this way but it is. i am also looking towards the elements least likely to promote this species in the grand scale of things. your guess is as good as mine…
“and no wonder you are from this country.”
you mean the same country you reside in? i am a citizen of the united states by choice. i love this country for what it is, good and bad. what is it you are doing here anyways? question i have asked you before…
March 10th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Boris,
I have no discussion with you, I know who you are, and seriously I have no respect to you, and I really feel bad for the peopl who has to scoilize with you on the real life, because you seem to me that you are trashy person and want the war to be the bases of any argument or any differnce, and no wonder you are from this country.
March 10th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
@mohamed
one thing is to not care about the holocaust, and frankly noone cares that ME people don’t care… 0_o denying it ever happened is a whole different story.
also, surely you must be joking when you compare the current palestinian and lebanese situation to the holocaust… if israel really was inclined that way they could execute something not unlike the holocaust. right now, you’re just talking out of your ass…
March 10th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Ulrik,
as I mentioned before, read the history of the ME and see how many people killed in the area from the french occupation and the British and Italian, etc..
it even happened after the holacust, no body cries, you don’t even care, and obviously you never red about it, or even heard about it, because the Jewish media would mention what they concern about.
So it’s the same we don’t care about the holacust like nobody cares for the other holacust happend in the ME from the civlized West.
The other thing that Jewis crying about the holcust and they doing the same thing in Lebanon and Plasteine, so that makes me even suspecios, because if you complain about something happend to you, you shouldn’t do it for other.
March 9th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
“when somebody says something offensive about holacust, the whole wotld goes up side down, but when it comes to something very precious to Muslim, and even more important than the holcause to the Jewish, the world aske the Muslim to shut up their mouth,”
..so the killing of 8.000.000 people is less important than drawings of a dead cult-leader?
Perhaps you guys really should consider to shut up your mouths and take a moment to think about your culture and how to do things better.
March 9th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
Ya Merve Ablacim Ama Kufredilmicek Gibi Deilki Bunlarda Yinede Terbiyemi Gosteriyorum Sovmek Saymakla Olmaz.!! Allah Dogru Yolu Gostersin Bunu Cizenlere.!! En Buyuk Bedduam Elleri Kırılsın…
March 8th, 2007 at 12:14 am
Irish, you said to me F you, I don’t use this language, even though I hear horrible stuff here against Islam, I don’t let me feeling slip and use such language. Boris always use this language, but as every body here know how stupid is he, so I treat him like a child, let him cry and I don’t even care about what he says, and to be fair for childern, the make sense to me than Boris does.
Any way, the point I tried to prove, that when somebody says something offensive about holacust, the whole wotld goes up side down, but when it comes to something very precious to Muslim, and even more important than the holcause to the Jewish, the world aske the Muslim to shut up their mouth, please read the recent comments and see why I brought this topic, it was because freedom of speach.
Don’t worry I’m not offended.
March 7th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
I don’t deny that other ethnic groups have been slaughtered, but you didn’t deny those either. Im sorry if i offended you, but like i said, I know a few survivors of the holocaust and iv heard from there mouths how horrible it was. When you try to trivialize or even deny something as significant as the holocaust you are bound to piss off some people
“Irish, I’m not going to use your way in conversation”
Im not trying to pick on you, but what are you trying to say?
March 7th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
what about the Bosna, what about the plastnian?, or is it just the Jewish, and then nobody else.
Frace killed one million Algerian when the ocuppied Algeria and the list goes on, Egypt, Lybia, Syria and on and on, nobody even crying these people, we don’t hear any thing about it, and now Iraq.
Irish, I’m not going to use your way in conversation, at least I know how hater is Boris, so I don’t blame him becaus he can’t get civilized enought still.
March 7th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
“Our prophet is way more important than this stupid holacust, which only god knows if it happened or not.”
Well your god may know, but don’t forget the survivors of the holocaust. Iv been lucky enough to meet and talk to 5 different people who were lucky enough to get out of nazi concentration camps when they were children. Fuck you for calling it “stupid”. it may have been sick, cruel, and barbaric, but “stupid” does not come to mind when i think about the holocaust.
March 7th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
“Our prophet is way more important than this stupid holacust, which only god knows if it happened or not.”
oh, now i get it. mohamed only believes things that are vague, unsubstantiated, and improbable. something as well documented as the holocaust probably didn’t happen at all. this is f-ing scary…
March 6th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
infidel,
Did you see what Jagannath said, there is no difference between the cartoon and the what the writer mentioned in his book, both of them are freedom of speech.
It looks you are hypocrate, you don’t agree with one concept, mean while you agree on the same concept if it’s for the west.
Please read what you write and you will know that you contrdict your self.
Our prophet is way more important than this stupid holacust, which only god knows if it happened or not.
March 6th, 2007 at 10:44 am
öfkenizi lütfen küfür kullanarak göstermeyin hem Allah ın yüce ismini kullanıp aynı cümlede bu insan(!) müsvettelerine küfür etmein o zaman bi fark kalmaz arada Allah pnlara hidayet nasip etsin
March 5th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
“” I mean, a bomb for a head? You’re not trying to be funny there, you’re trying to say something.”"
no accounting for taste i suppose, I thought it was pretty funny, especially BECAUSE it is saying something. I guess one might be offended by it though, but it is still meant in jest, I don’t think one should forget it.
Either you find it funny, or not.
I would have responded without the caps and four question marks…
No I do not support it at all. I am saying that artists should have the discretion of not drawing anything specifically for the purpose of insulting someone. Ie, a comic of mohammed and jezus, with an arrow saying “assholes.”
As long as it’s not illegal (and it shouldn’t be) they should print it. It’s their job to poke fun at things, they get paid for it and i’d be disappointed if they didn’t do it.
I believe comedy should be viewed in one of three ways: Either fun, not fun or illegal. If you don’t think it’s fun, ignore it. There’s a lot of comedy I don’t think is fun, or which I personally don’t like (not a lot of that though) So I ignore it.
March 5th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Well Austria is not the only one. Here is a listing of countries with punishments for Holocaust denial.
Country
Minimum
Maximum
Austria
6 months
10-20 years
Belgium
Fine
1 year
Czech Republic
6 months
2 years
France
Fine or 1 month
2 years
Germany
Fine or 6 months
5 years
Israel
1 year
5 years
Italy (law against racial discrimination)
3 years
4 years
Lithuania
Fine or 2 years
10 years
Poland
Fine or 3 months
3 years
Romania
6 months
3-5 years
Slovakia
Fine or 1 month
3 years
Switzerland
Fine or 1 year
15 months
March 5th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
WRONG AGAIN, mohamed,
he was jailed for publishing beliefs in a BOOK, nothing whatsoever to do with cartoons!!.
as far as I know, austria is the ONLY european country with such a law
unlike islamic countries where it is a crime to even be in POSSESSION of a bible
March 5th, 2007 at 1:36 am
It is fact that Mohamed could neither read nor write and had scribes who followed him to repeatedly read back what he had earlier dictated, revise and ‘correct’ the earlier versions.
Could a follower of Islam explain why this was necessary if the message was given by Allah who is supposed to be omnipotent and omnicient?
If Mohamed had to revise the message, it means that either he (Mohamed) didn’t get it right the first time [in which case he was pretty much of a dumbass and that Allah was even more stupid for choosing Mohamed to deliver His message] or that Allah really didn’t think through the message before giving it the first time or the second time or even the third time that Mohamed had to revise the story. In either case, doesn’t it mean that Mohamed’s Allah really didn’t think things through - either he couldn’t get the message right or he couldn’t select a messenger who could tell the story right?
Or, was Mohamed the best that He could find to deliver His message? Someone who couldn’t read nor write nor even get Allah’s story right the first time?
How can it be that there is only one God and Mohamed is His messenger, if His messenger couldn’t get the message right?
Do Muslims ever think about things like that? Could your religion survive such introspection?
Say what you will about the Jews, God gave Moses the commandments carved in stone so he’d get it right. And even supplied a copy when Moses broke the first edition.
And isn’t it a crying shame that all of the big 3 religions worship the SAME God of Abraham and are willing to kill each other to show that they love the God of Abraham more than everybody else?
Mohamed claimed to be a descendent of Ishmael and Genesis describes Ishmael as ‘a wild ass of a man’ whose ‘descendants shall cause trouble for the world’.
Score one for the Bible, 0 for the Koran on that one.
Seriously, what’s it going to take for Muslims to quit teaching their children to hate Jews and Christians?
And, when are all of the good, peace loving Muslims going to tell the radical bigoted Islamo-fascists to stop killing their own children and other peoples children’s and respect their fellow man?
Did Allah not create all of us? Does Allah so hate his Jewish and Christian children that He is pleased to see Muslims kill their fellow man, woman and child?
Isn’t it time that Muslims got over Isreal stealing Ishmael’s birthright? And, if it was stolen, was it not by the will of Allah?
And, what’s with all this Wahid BS? If you can steal land by the will of Allah, is it not also by the will of Allah that the land is taken away from you?
Look at yourself critically, Islam. How can it only be by the will of Allah that you win - and not also by the will of Allah when you lose?
Sorry but you use your religion as nothing more than a petty justification for the actions of petulant children. You cannot claim to be a religion of peace when you allow people to kill innocents in the name of your religion and you stand by and do nothing. It is obvious that the majority of Muslims are afraid of the militant minority. Else, you must support their hatred and blood lust. If the former, you are cowards, afraid to defend your Allah’s peace. If the later, you are hipocrits claiming peace but lusting for terror. In neither case can you please your Allah as you deny His message one way or the other.
When are you going to teach your children to build in the name of Allah and not destroy in His name? Do you really believe that Allah prefers to see death and destruction rather than peace and prosperity?
It appears that Muslims have so little to live for that their only hope is that they will find a heaven after death. Whose fault is that? Do your leaders not take the wealth of your land to behave like Westerners? Would your lives not be better spent taking control of your own resourses rather than letting a few sheiks and sultans have un-godly (or should we say un-Allahly) wealth at the expense of your brothers and children?
Of all that you can give to Allah, it is not the blood of your fellow man that He wants.
Look inward Islam, look to Mecca and you will see your enemies, turn to the west to see those who would be your brothers and friends. Those who will provide a better life for your children, not those who will pay you to have your children incinerate themselves. Turn away from the leaders of hate and death and you will find those who will help you find a life worth living, not a life that can only find glory in death.
Is this not what Allah would prefer? That you live long and prosper and praise Allah into your old age? Or is your Allah so vicious that He would have your children die before reaching their maturity?
Does Allah not want you to choose life? Why would Allah give the gift of life if He really wants your death? Could He not have killed you before you were born? Why give life if not to have you live it?
Look inward Islam and see the decay that will destroy you, if you insist on destroying your brothers and your children.
March 5th, 2007 at 12:26 am
Infidil,
You didn’t hear about the writer get in prison in Austria that wrote in one in his books that he doesn’t beleive that the holacust happened, you are smart, and you can google it, and it’s pretty much in all Europe.
So what do you think?
March 4th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
I don’t see that much of a distinction, infidel. You are saying “Shove the koran up your ass!” and the muslim is saying “Shove the newspaper up your ass!”
The only difference is that they are offended because someone took a fundamental part of their belief structure and drew it in the most insulting fashion possible. It’s like me making toilet paper that has the constitution of the US on it. If I did that I’d be sure to have at least 500 right wing nutjobs on my doorstep, threatening my life. So, if I did that and I had that happen, would I sit back and laugh at “those dumb redneck americuns”? No, because (a) I did do something offensive to get that reaction and I deserve every bloody minute of it, and (b) not everyone in the states would react like that.
You’re labelling a whole group of people based on their reactions to something that is obviously done specifically to piss off a small group of them.
Good job, dumbass. You fell for it.
March 4th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
” because you state you can do what you want, then they can too ”
NOT QUITE, outsider
I was referring to freedom of SPEECH!!
NOT the freedom to make threats to kill, or riot.
these actions are illegal in most countries.
“what if I put cartoon in newspaper shows black people as slaves, what if I put in USA cartoon Jewish people in a way that Hitler didn’t do any thing to them, I will be in prison next day,”
BULLSHIT mohamed,
nobody gets jailed in the west for publishing cartoons
March 4th, 2007 at 4:26 am
FuCk You PAPa
Millet BU ŞerefsizLer Beni iyi Tanır
6 Tane Sitelerini Çaldım Karikatur Yuzunden ama akıllanmadılar Sıra bunda Desenize
Adam NasıL Sıkıllıyo BaQın
FuCk You PaPa
March 3rd, 2007 at 4:52 pm
I agree with outsider, Bush name Iraq war a freedom operatino, and I think he meant the oil operation.
Freedom become a justification for doing wrong things, what if I put cartoon in newspaper shows black people as slaves, what if I put in USA cartoon Jewish people in a way that Hitler didn’t do any thing to them, I will be in prison next day, which means it’s not all about freedom, it’s all about what you want to do and find the justfication to it.
Tell hi to the freedom of speech.
March 2nd, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Well, then, welcome to hypocritical asshattery, infidel. I hope you enjoy marches of angry muslims explessing themseves with flag-burning, violence-threatening (saying I’m going to kill you is just saying something, and therefore by your definintion, protected by free speech ideals), hate-filled protests.
In other words, what they have done in response to what was done by these cartoonists is, by your lights, perfectly fine. And so is their coming on here and telling you that you’re an asshole and an idiot, and that Mohammed will watch your soul roast in hell. Even their coming on here saying that they’ll kill those that made those comics is, by your definition, a legitimate form of free communication.
But you’re happy. You’re preading hate, then running and hiding behind the ideal of ‘freedom’. This is typical behavior of a hypocrite; because you state you can do what you want, then they can too (but you don’t want them reading their fucking book at you!)
Please, don’t be an asshat. It’s to hard for the rest of us to defend a legitimate position if you’re trying to support it with hypocritical arguments.
March 2nd, 2007 at 3:17 pm
“I kind of agree that it’s wrong to draw the comics for the reason of pissing someone off,”
SO ALCARI,
you’d support the censorship of western satirical magazines and political cartoonists, would you????
“It’s abou free speech: free, asinine speech.”
WHATEVER, OUTSIDER
but FREE is the operative word!!!
March 2nd, 2007 at 10:58 am
Alcari: In some of the photos, I agree. For instance, the drawings by Annette Carlsen, Jens Julius, and Bob Katzennelson are humourous and done for that reason. The pictures drawn by Erik Abild Sorensen and especially the one by Kurt Westergaard are not done to be funny but to be insulting and to make judgements about another people (that all muslims are terrorists, oppressors, and sexist pigs). I mean, a bomb for a head? You’re not trying to be funny there, you’re trying to say something.
And my thoughts on the contest come from the caption that accompanies Lars Refns’ picture: “We think Lars Refn is a coward who does not understand the seriousness of the muslim threat to free speech.” In other words, “We’re drawin pictures of the prophet Mohammed to show those stinking ragheads we can and that there’s nothing they can do about it.” It’s asinine, but there it is. It’s abou free speech: free, asinine speech.
March 2nd, 2007 at 5:42 am
infidel, either A: you haven’t been around for long or, B: You are not getting the point at all.
that being said, outsider, I kind of agree that it’s wrong to draw the comics for the reason of pissing someone off, however I don’t feel that was the original reason.
If i were to make a comic, this would be my reasoning.
“Is this funny?”
if so
“Would I mind it if someone said this about me”
if not
“Print it”
March 1st, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Infidel, are they stupid for being asshats and spouting off stupid stuff that nobody wants to hear?
If so(and that’s pretty much all I’m getting from you!), then you’re an asshat too. And worse, you are a hypocrite to boot.
That’s the worst kind of asshat.
March 1st, 2007 at 3:49 pm
“Just because someone else is an ass, doesn’t give you the right to be an ass too.”
NOT SO, OUTSIDER!!
as a member of a FREE society, i can be whatever i wish.
ALCARI
take a look at the name and aims of this forum, it’s not intended for “rational” discussion
AHMAD
go fuck yourself!!
March 1st, 2007 at 7:20 am
Those painters and the governments wich stand to support them are no more than little dirty rats who are trying to face a huge mountine in a dirty way.
but in vain
February 28th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
And it saddens me to look at someone like Infidel using my words so stupidly.
Infidel, you’re an idiot. Worse, you’re an insensitive jackass. And, to boot, you’re happy about it. Like a kid beating a dog, you get pleasure from pissing on someone else, removing all feeling from them. Sociopath.
Their religious laws _should_ be meaningful to you. At least, they should when you are dealing with people of that religion. You should, as a feeling, sensitive human, at least understand the person’s culture and laws that go with it. Sure, I eat pork. But I’d be an ass to put it on my table whe I’m having a Jew over for dinner. Sure, I can draw whatever I want. But I’d be an ass to draw political cartoons of Mohammed witha bomb for a head if the paper is discussing turmoil in the Middle east.
In other words, don’t be a dumbass. Just because someone else is an ass, doesn’t give you the right to be an ass too.
February 28th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
anyone remember when we had rational discussion in this thread? for about the first 75 posts or so?
Then the sensible people left because of all the people like Said and People, who are incapable of even trying to talk reasonably. Add to that the ‘kill em all’ attitude of posters like Infidel and people with no grasp of the english language like dınc and we’re getting
NOWHERE AT ALL!!!
This thread has been on for over a year, and i’ve seen very very VERY few responses that were actaully answered.
All of you are the reason of my total lack of faith in people in general and frankly, it’s a bloody miracle the lot of you haven’t wiped us all out.
ps, people mentioned in here are just examples of about 2000 crap posts.
February 28th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
right on, outsider!!!, when are these ragheads going to realise that their stupid religious laws are MEANINGLESS to us!!
SHOVE YOUR KORANS UP YOUR ASSES!!
February 25th, 2007 at 12:12 am
Maybe you’re not listening. It’s not my religion. It’s not my beliefs that say it’s wrong to make images of the prophets. It is yours. You cannot make those images, because it is not allowed by your beliefs. It is something silly and useless, and therefore proscribed by Mohammed.
But I do not necessarily listen to Mohammed. And if I don’t listen to His teachings, (a) how would I know it’s wrong, and (b) why would I care? It is the same thing as me telling you it is against the law in the states to burn an american flag. You have every right to do so in your country; you are not bound by the laws of the states. Those of us that are not muslims are not bound by the laws of the Islamic Faith.
February 24th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
we are müslim and we are not your religion to drop.All prophets holly in islam.BARBARIAN U.S.A BARBARIAN EUROPE
February 24th, 2007 at 11:19 am
said:
The dane that drew these is an insensitive bastard. Ig he knows enough about the religion to be drawing anything relevant, he should know that it’s not appropriate to create an image of the Prophet.
But it’s allowed. So he’s being an insensitive bastard. That does NOT give you the right to be a murderous bastard. You can be an insensitive bastard right back at him, and draw images of his mother having sex with a donkey. Or (I suggest) you can be a calm rational person and tell him (and everyone else) why it was insensitive of him to do that.
But you can’t go screaming that you’ll kill this bastard. Because that makes him right. That means that you as a muslim have no sense of decency or scale or moderation. That means, by extension, that all muslim people are radicalist, prone to violence at the slightest provocation, and irrational to boot.
I think that’s what he was saying when he drew those comics. And if you keep spouting on about how you’re going to kill him, you’ve proven him right. Don’t be an idiot. Don’t prove him right.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:00 am
if i find this man who drow this fotos i will for sure kill him.mother fuck ur mother mother fuking bitch.
mohamad is holy man in the world.
do u understand.
February 20th, 2007 at 8:04 am
1400 yıl önce yaÅŸamış ve ömrünü sevgi ve hayıra adamış bir peygamberi alaya alıp eÄŸlence konusu yapmak. onu aÅŸağılamaya çalışmak onumu yoksa sizimi aÅŸağılar ? daha 100 150 yıl öncasine kadar pislik ve sefillik içinde yaÅŸayan ve hala poposunu bile yıkamaktan aciz bir toplumun aydınları ancak bu kadar kibar olabilir her halde…temeli sevgi barış ve adalet olan temizliÄŸe hayati önem veren bir dinin mensubu olarak diyorumki;sizler böyle yaparak ne kadar medeni olduÄŸunuzu gösterdiniz ben bu hakaret ve karalama davranışlarını ÅŸahsıma yapılmış kabul ediyor vesizleri lanetliyorum…… ALLAHIN LANETÄ° ÃœZERÄ°NÄ°ZE OLSUN…….. (BÄ°R MÃœSLÃœMAN….)
February 20th, 2007 at 2:51 am
“”I think I tried enough to say what you said, but I think nobody listening, they only listen to the suicide bombers, and they love them so much, because they gave something to talk about.”"
emmm, i feel kind of stupid saying this, but i haven’t really heared you saying anything like that…be it because of my not listing or something else…
To my defense, I’ve never argued against the influence of society on a person, but you would have to agree that religion serves a far more prominent posistion in the Middle east then for example in western europe.
“”If Islam encourage sucide, so what all the Muslims waiting for?”"
We could talk about ‘muslim goes grocery shopping’ and ‘christian drives to town’ but they don’t make very good headlines. I’m pretty sure most intelligent people (most of the people in here) know the middle east isn’t filled with raging, carbombing lunatics.
February 20th, 2007 at 1:59 am
Outsider,
Wow man, you are the only one here has some idea about what are you talking about, people here try to ignore the history in ME, and who reformed ME to be what it is now, and they ignore what the culture does sometimes, and they stick it to religion.
I think I tried enough to say what you said, but I think nobody listening, they only listen to the suicide bombers, and they love them so much, because they gave something to talk about.
If Islam encourage sucide, so what all the Muslims waiting for?
I really thought that the west are civilzed people, but for sorry I found most of them not, but not all of them.
Thank you again outsider, I hope people think the same like you.
February 19th, 2007 at 9:27 pm
Let me expand a bit more… Most people in the middle east are part of a different culture than you and I exist in. In some cases the culture is controlled by madmen and murderers. These madmen and murderers may or may not believe anything at all, but if they use those beliefs to justify their actions, they are doing just that; Justifying their actions. They’d be doing the same thing if they were aethists or christians or buddists… they would just use different justifications.
Now, as it happens, many of these madmen and murderers are supported by the main populace because of other madmen and murderers that are doing everything in their power to take over and control the dominant culture (and all the riches and resources that are available, too). Those people (that run major international conglomerates) don’t care about religion, but it’s an easy thing to use as distraction when all the people you are trying to pillage are of one religion… “Those damn muslim bastards keep bombing our refineries and such…”
On the other side, you’ve got the madmen leaders of the people already there, who use such rhetoric as “Those capitalist dogs are trying to steal your religion! You need to fight to defend your ability to believe what you want” ect ect ect… to stir up armies of people willing to fight. It’s not like they care about the religous beliefs; they don’t want their powerbase to be disturbed. They’re just using religion to cover their tracks and stir up trouble.
So, on both sides, you have people using religion as a tacktic to cause trouble. Both the people who claim to be religious and the people who claim to be non are poking this issue to get the shit to fly. I say stop it and look deeper.
I know you won’t though, because it’s so easy to make fun of a muslim for being a ragheaded terrorist and not aknowledge his rightful grievances. If the tables were turned, however, I don’t think you’d be any more civil than he is.
February 19th, 2007 at 9:12 pm
Infidel: Yes it is. Or, at least, it’s nonreligeous organizations (like BP and Exxon) that do.
People, no matter what their religious background, have the potential to commit atrocities of all scales. And if you really think that the reason for people to commit these particular atrocities is religious, you’re ignoring a large portion of the actual issue… It’s more about the imperialist colonisation of the middle east by the “western world” than it is muslim vs christian. The people in charge (of both sides!) want you to think it’s just muslim vs christian, because it serves them better to stir up trouble. But the issue is so much deeper than that…
February 19th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
Outrider, knowing people, my guess will be “nobody”
and,
I know it’s a non-comment, but in responce to infidel i’d like to say
(…)
February 19th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
outsider,
it’s not atheists who behead people, suicide bomb innocents, stone folks to death for sex, kill other muslims for wanting to leave islam, commit “honour killings”.
who are the REAL bullies????
February 19th, 2007 at 10:27 am
The problem remains, both sides are too busy stirring up hate to stop and think. Of course, it only takes one side to start a fight… but the common reaction is “I’m better than you because I believe your god doesn’t exist” and “I’m better than you because I believe in God”.
Give it a rest. Honestly. I imagine the islamic posters will continue to spout nonsense, because honestly they’re not reading anything, just shouting. But everyone else, just stop. All the aethists are doing is looking like a group of self-righteous bullys, and all the muslims are doing is looking like a bunch of self-righteous bullies… Who’s going to stop being a bully first?
February 19th, 2007 at 9:07 am
YOU ARE JUST IGNORANT DONKEYS.
February 13th, 2007 at 6:42 am
ISLAM…..the religion of the cavemen
February 11th, 2007 at 8:53 am
@natassha,
And the connection is?
Look at 90% of the people who posted here(remember this topic has over 2200 posts!) and tell me how closely things match.
Nobody on this site is against rationally thinking people, be they moslems christians, hindu or worshippers of the flying spaghetti monster. This site is against people who get so drunk on their religion that they can’t tell right from wrong anymore.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:48 am
I live very much sad because i am Muslim
My future husband said me that his mother doesn’t like him with me because all Muslimd are terorists , he loves me and i believe him , but Islam is not like that , what is my fault if i am Muslim ? don’t i have rights to marry who i love ?
February 8th, 2007 at 8:58 pm
sülalenizi sikiyim alayınızın soyunu sikiyim amınakodumun masonları görücez bakalım allah (cc) mi kazanıcak yoksa taptığınız putların sahibi şeytanmı
allah size beyin vermiÅŸ ama daÄŸda otlayan ineklerden tek farkınız sadece insan görünümde olmanız Hz. Muhammed ‘e dil uzatıcaksanız gelin Türkiye de görüşelim sizle ananızı da getirmeyi unutmayın gelirken …
February 8th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
Do you know what the difference between a catholic and an alcoholic is?
An alcoholic goes to a bar,
sits down with a beer,
drinks himself into a state of confusion,
and starts talking to sad people.
A catholic goes into a church,
kneels down with a string of beads,
thinks himself into a state of confusion,
and starts talking to imaginary people.
So some bad news for any AA’ers reading this - Sad people, vs, Imaginary people - if you have escaped the bottle by finding jesus, you have saved your kidneys, but lost your mind… (not that I am recommending the bottle, I am sure counselling is a viable third option..)
February 8th, 2007 at 7:48 pm
and thus this huge mess of unreadable crap reaches it’s 2260th post. Will there be drinks and cookies when it hits 2500?
Call me arrogant, but I do think i’m superior to a number of people here. If only for the sole fact that I actually learned to speak the same language as everyone here, understand the art of reading the posts before me and those adressing me. I also have enough money to buy a keyboard where the Shift-key doesn’t stick. Add to that the fact that I’m capable of rational discussion and I’d say my feelings aren’t intirely unfounded.
Don’t be offended, if you read this, it doesn’t include you.
Now, I have the strong urge to refute a load of stuff here, but it’s all wasted effort seeing how noone who’s posts I recall ever comes back here, and the ones who do won’t read it, i’ll supress my need to write a whole essay on what’s wrong with the majority of the posters here.
again, if you’re still reading, it doesn’t include you.
February 8th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Ah… actually, thats CATH-olic, not ALCOH-olic…
And actually alcoholic would have been better, at least alcoholics know why they are drunk - and people are honest enough to tell them they have a problem. Back when I was catholic, no-one was kind enough to even point out to me what was wrong.
And no, not superior - I feel just the same, because I was there once too - and I know just how twisted and nutty it makes makes your reasoning, and I cringe when I see these poor people posting this because they are so confused. It does not make me want to be confused either.
Sober up.
February 8th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Aaah, nothing like MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALISM to remind me that CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM isn’t nearly so insane after all.
I was raised Christian Fundamentalist, no longer practicing the “Fundamentalist” suffix, and can tell you that their response would have been to BUY UP EVERY COPY OF THE OFFENDING PICTURES, burn them in a formal ceremony, and line the pockets of the very people guilty of offending them!
Think Ozzy, think Beatles before that, think Marylin Manson. All people who “owe” Christian Fundamentalists an immense debt of gratitude (haha).
February 8th, 2007 at 11:44 am
“..on second thoughts, that should be “vandals, freaks, schizoids and other nutters†- but same diff really :)”
and now also a recovered alcoholic who consider himself superior to all those people.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:04 pm
..on second thoughts, that should be “vandals, freaks, schizoids and other nutters” - but same diff really :)
P.S @Boris, way back on 1/14: Please don’t tar all Turks with the same brush. The Turkish friends I have are some of the sanest, nicest, and most secular people you could meet. Sure Turkey has more people who would lynch you over religion - that’s a middle eastern specialty, and always has been. We have more people who would lynch you over skin color - that’s a European/American specialty, and always has been.
They don’t have more evil nutters than we do - just different ones, for which you happen to be more of a target, but don’t let that turn *you* into a biggot.
February 7th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Wow, I haven’t been to this page in months - it’s turned into one great big troll honeypot. It’s awesome :-)
February 7th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
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February 6th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
size söylemek istediÄŸim bir ÅŸey var herkes kuran-ı kerimi okusun yoksa inanmayanların sonunu düşünemiyorum.isterseniz hristiyan olun ama bir kere kuran-ı kerimi okuyun ondan sonra neyaparsanız yapın sonra öteki dünya da ALLAH ve HZ MUHAMMED sizlerle olacaktır.ALLAH dünyanın bütün halklarını yoluna getirmesi dileÄŸimle…ALLAH a emanet olun.
February 3rd, 2007 at 8:36 am
“Haberiniz olsun ki inkar edenler hepsi ebedi olmak üzere cehennem atesindedirler. Onlar halkin en serlileridir.”
(Beyyine Suresi, ayet 6)
February 2nd, 2007 at 2:40 pm
There have been some rumors in parts of the muslim world that Jyllandspostens editor and some cartoonists appearently have died a terrible death - in some kind of fire I think. Probably meant as a proof of Allahs revenge.
I just want to tell that they are all doing fine.
The two leading mullahs from Denmark that brought the muslim world into a rage however is a different story.
Abu Laban died yesterday of cancer and his friend and ally Ahmed Akkari was hit by a hit-and-run driver on his way home from the funeral.
January 28th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
ben onu çizenin ta anasını karısnı kıznı soyunu sülalesini sikiyim orospunun oğulları analarını baltajanı doğru siktim ibneleri yavşak lan bunlar piçler hepsi su yerine yaramın suyunu içsin
January 28th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
I guess one just needs to look at the researcher communty to see the trait… Most researchers(especially astronomy) are atheists…
No need for big researches
January 28th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
“Did the research mentioned that Athies tempt to be an angels and start to get wings:)))))
Stop BS me please, that’s so funny.”
.. I rest my case :)
January 28th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Did the research mentioned that Athies tempt to be an angels and start to get wings:)))))
Stop BS me please, that’s so funny.
January 28th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
“3. Engage in intelligent discussions.”
Thats remind me. A danish scientist Helmuth Nyborg has looked into an american research based on 7.000 americans and the result is what we could have expected:
Atheists are more intelligent than deeply religious people. 5.8 IQ points in average to be more exact.
Religious people believe everything a man who lived 1400 years ago told them to believe - and that without any evidence at all.
If Muhammed had told them the Devil sits in their noses at night they would believe that too (by the way he did)
Ever wondered how they can believe that without any doubt at all? One answer could be low intelligense.
January 28th, 2007 at 5:07 am
“AND OUR RELEGION ASK US 2 RESBECT ANY 1 AND ANY RELEGION SPECIAL WHO BELEVE IN GOD”
The first step in learning how to be more “RESBECT”:
1. Don’t write in capital(it is considered yelling.)
2. Learn how to spell(seriously, how hard is it? Firefox2 has a spell checker built in.)
3. Engage in intelligent discussions.
January 28th, 2007 at 4:30 am
“AND OUR RELEGION ASK US 2 RESBECT ANY 1 AND ANY RELEGION SPECIAL WHO BELEVE IN GOD”
Where does your religion say that?
January 27th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
GURL FROM ISLAM said:
“AND I DAY U WILL KNOW THAT ALLAH AND MOHAMAD AND ALI IS THE TROUTH AND U WILL KNOW THAT THE ONLY WAY 4 HAVEN IS TO BELIVE IN THEM :)”
Oh, so now it’s ALI, too? I’m beginning to doubt whether Muslims are actually monotheistic. I think they believe in multiple gods.
“GOD BLESS US & ALL WHO BELEVE IN GOD”
Well, honey, that wouldn’t be us folks here at RF. If you actually paid any attention, you’d quickly notice that we’re almost all atheists. We don’t believe in your stupid god… we don’t believe in their stupid god… we don’t believe in any gods, because it’s stupid.
Oh, and thanks for writing in all capitals… I’m always impressed by people who only know how to yell.
January 27th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
I AM PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM
I LOVE U GOD { Allah ooh Akbar}
I LOVE MOHAMAD
I LOVE FATIMA ALZAHRA BENT MOHAMAD
I LOVE ALI BEN ABY TALEB
I LOVE AL-HASSAN BEN ALI
I LOVE AL-HUSSAIN BEN ALI
I LOVE ALI BEN ALHUSSAIN [ ZAIN AL AABEDEEN ]
I LOVE MOHAMAD BEN ALI [ ALBAQER ]
I LOVE JAFER BEN MOHAMED [ ALSADEQ ]
I LOVE MOSA BEN JAFER [ ALKADEM ]
I LOVE ALI BEN MOSA [ ALREDA ]
I LOVE MOHAMAD BEN ALI [ ALJAWAD ]
I LOVE ALI BEN MOHAMAD [ ALHADY ]
I LOVE AL HASSAN BEN ALI [ ALASKARY ]
I LOVE MOHAMAD BEN ALHASSAN [ ALMAHDY ] { AJAL ALLAH FARAJAH}
I LOVE MY {AAEMAH}
I AM BROUD 2 B SHAIA
& I RESBECT CRESTIAN AND JOWESH WHOW RESBECT US
AND OUR RELEGION ASK US 2 RESBECT ANY 1 AND ANY RELEGION SPECIAL WHO BELEVE IN GOD
BUT THE DROWING IT’S INSALTING US
AND I DAY U WILL KNOW THAT ALLAH AND MOHAMAD AND ALI IS THE TROUTH AND U WILL KNOW THAT THE ONLY WAY 4 HAVEN IS TO BELIVE IN THEM :)
I HOPE ALLAH 4GIVE U AND ME AND ALL OF US 4 ALL MESTAKES THAT WE DO
GOD BLESS US & ALL WHO BELEVE IN GOD
January 24th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
One dangerous aspect of religion is that it tend to make people cruel. Just think for a moment about what Mohamed wrote.
“Stoning is more crule, but it will make you think one hunderd time before you try to hit on a married woman, and on the other side it protects you from the same thing to happen to, that somebody would hit on your wife.”
Of course we could also boil trafic-sinners alive in large ironpots. That would teach people to keep the speedlimit.
Also we should consider skinning shoplifters alive with small knifes and leave them in the hot sun without water. That will make people think twice before they put a candybar in their pocket.
And what about tax-evation? I know for sure God want us to cut off their arms and legs and feed them to hungry sharks.
God is large!
January 23rd, 2007 at 12:07 pm
hangi edepsiz yaptı bunları. öbür dünyada cayır cayır yanıcakalar.bi de lütfen küfür etmeyin aile var burda ayıpp hıhıhı
January 22nd, 2007 at 12:59 pm
You talking agina like it’s only for woman, the man and the woman has the same punshiment, so if any of them has sex, they get the same Punshiment, did I make my self clear, so stop trying to talk like it’s only for woman..
Sorry… but I will have to use the f-word again here:
Do you fucking read what I am arguing at all? Do you speak English?
I have set the word “Master” in bold letters for a reason! It is that having sex with her master holds no punishment whatsoever, while having sex with a man she loves does. I hope you understand what we’re talking about.
Stoning is more crule, but it will make you think one hunderd time before you try to hit on a married woman, and on the other side it protects you from the same thing to happen to, that somebody would hit on your wife.
So, from what you say I take it that torture is allowed in Islam. If it isn’t then what do you call throwing stones at someone until he dies? He’s going to be dead at the end no matter how you do it, so instead of torturing him yourself, let God do it.
January 22nd, 2007 at 6:26 am
The truth comes out eventually! The problem is not Mohammad. Neither is it Ä°slam. Ä°t is Turks. Europa can not handle the defeat! Basically christians suffer from the fact that they could NOT convert Turks into christians. They became muslims and the whole europa bleeds until the day all the Turks die. This fact is certain as EU makes a fool of itself each time it brings up some funny restrictions not to make Turkey a member. So to be brief, the fearing pig makes unbearable noise and rams the source of fear because it knows the time shows its end!
January 22nd, 2007 at 2:21 am
You talking agina like it’s only for woman, the man and the woman has the same punshiment, so if any of them has sex, they get the same Punshiment, did I make my self clear, so stop trying to talk like it’s only for woman..
Woman and man are the same in front of god, no differnce other than doing, and the other thing, if man touched woman, she has to wash too(Wuduu), it’s not only for man.
Stoning is more crule, but it will make you think one hunderd time before you try to hit on a married woman, and on the other side it protects you from the same thing to happen to, that somebody would hit on your wife.
I never used the F word with you, and I hope to keep the argument respectfull between us, I understand you are well educated man, so I hope you keep this way, and any way I can’t stop you from saying it.
Thank you
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January 21st, 2007 at 12:49 pm
So having sex with her master is okay, having sex with a man she loves is not? Again, this doesn’t make much sense to me…
And as you yourself admitted that you don’t know much about Islam. Therefore with all respect: you fucking can’t tell what is right islam and what is not!
You never answered about the “women are inferior to men” thing, and to get your brain going a bit, the Quran says that three living things make a man impure(he has to do wuduu’ again): a black dog, a donkey and a woman.
And I would love to hear your comment about your good and merciful prophet chose stoning instead of killing a person as quickly as possible. This ought to be interesting.
January 21st, 2007 at 3:31 am
Did you read the Quran about the puishment of who committed the adultry, it was the same for the man as the woman, even if you think it’s crul to stone somebody, it wasn’t just for the women, it was for both man and woman.
For your points, Islam has nothing to do about what people does in its name, I gave you examples how people treated women in our prophet era, and that’s the real Muslims who got the right teaching from our prophet directly.
If people applied Islam in the ME in the right way, we wouldn’t be that weak any more, that’s why we are so weak, because we forgot what the real Islam about.
And for sure you can compare between the real Muslims who changed the whole world in 10 years like no body could do, and about the Muslims now.
I know I believe in the right religion, and I know how the Islam can make a good person, and a good society, and what the Islam offers.
Thank god for being a Muslim, and may God make me in Muhammed company in Shaa Allah.
January 20th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
In Medina your prophet ordered a woman stoned to death even though her only crime was to love a man who was married.
Later a slavegirl suffered the same fate - her crime was to have sex with another man than her master. At the time of her execution she had a child who had only just stopped breastfeeding. Your prophet showed no mercy.
Do you know how long it take to die while people throw stones at you?
- but never mind how they treated women in the early days of Islam. Today is what is important.
1) Women are treated bad within the Islamic world and religion is used to justify it.
2) Islam tell men to treat women good but it DOES allow violence against women. According to the Quran women are inferiour to men.
I suggest you stop making excuses and ask yourself what you as a young muslim can do about it.
You say you know what true islam is about. I must say I doubt that very much, but you certainly have my blessing to go out and spread the word among your brothers.
January 20th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
In our prophet era, they didn’t treat women like they treated it now, because they knew what the real Islam is, and I will give you more than one example, how they treated women in this time.
1-Aisha was the NO 1 source for what Muhammed said or done after he died, and when people argue about something and they don’t know the answer, they go to her and she was the answer, you can read about her and know how much she mean for Muslims.
2- Omar Bin Elkhatab, was a powerfull, yet mercifull man, one day he gave speech and he said somehing wrong, a woman stand up in front of all people and she said Omar is wrong. Omar who men even fear him, the woman told him you are wrong, and she said no, he didn’t bear, nor kill her, all what he said the woman is right and Omar is wrong.
What happen to the women in some of the ME, and not whole the ME, it’s out of the cultur not out of the religion or Islam.
January 20th, 2007 at 5:05 am
Mohamed wrote:
“I don’t recall that Muhammed beat any of wives before”
I never said he did. He decided that his religion should allow violence against women. That was his failure.
“God put that as final option to the man to keep the family togather.”
You never met a family where the woman was the one with most sense? I have a lot of times. How can that have slipped your perfect Gods mind?
Muhammed did not see that as an option. It was more important to him that man ruled woman.
“peopl before Islam was killing the new born girls, they bury them alive,”
You consider stoning more civilized?
“Islam changes all of that, and give the woman the place it deserve”
So you consider man superior to women always?
“I think Islam added a lot to the huminity and even the women”
:)
“look at the women in the west, they got treated like cheap product, there is no respect for woman at all, singers can sing about a woman like they are nothing, woman just a body”
You simply don’t get it.
In my country women can say “NO” and get away with it. In my country more and more women are becoming leaders because we are beginning to realise that women actually are good leaders. Muhammed didn’t know that.
Both my superiours are women and they do a very good job. My next primeminister may be a women and the same with our neighboring countries.
As for the body, no woman is forced to use her body as a product. She can say “NO” and get away with it. If anybody beat or force a woman in the west they go to jail.
I think I need to write the numbers again.
UN estimates that from 113.000.000 to 200.000.000 women around the world are “missingâ€.
Every year 1.500.000-3.000.000 women and girls lose their lives as a result of violence or neglect.
Young girls die from neglect because food and medical attention is given first to brothers, fathers, husbands and sons.
In some countries where women are considered the property of men, their fathers and brothers can murder them for choosing their own sexual partners with little or no fear of punishment.
Domestic violence is a major cause of death of young women and girls in the world.
.. but Muhamed prefers to talk about how the west treat women like cheap products.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:13 am
“As for those on whose part you fear ill-will and nasty conduct…”
Did you catch that word in the middle…FEAR?
It’s not “If they show you ill-will…” It only requires that you — the man — fear it.
Of course, this is a ridiculous argument. “When is it OK to beat your wife?” Beating your wife was always a sick and degenerate act. To condone it for any reason is to demote women to a lesser, subservient status.
Of course, that is not unique to Islam — all the patriarchal sky-god religions do it.
January 20th, 2007 at 2:00 am
“In some countries where women are considered the property of men, their fathers and brothers can murder them for choosing their own sexual partners with little or no fear of punishment.”
I don’t recall that Muhammed beat any of wives before, If you see that Ayah, most of the Ayah is talking about the woman that is not faithful, so instead of destroying the family God put that as final option to the man to keep the family togather.
If you read well, peopl before Islam was killing the new born girls, they bury them alive, because they ashamed of , even Omar Bin Elkhatab did it before Islam, but when Islam comes, Islam changes all of that, and give the woman the place it deserve. Even Omar Bin Elkhatab was crying every time he remembers that he buried his daughter alive, and Islam made Omar one of the most influential person in the whole world.
I think Islam added a lot to the huminity and even the women, look at the women in the west, they got treated like cheap product, there is no respect for woman at all, singers can sing about a woman like they are nothing, woman just a body, and actually I don’t want to get in details about what they sing about the woman, because I don’t like to mention some stuff, I’m really shy even to mention.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
I wrote:
“Domestic violence is a major cause of death of women in every single country in the world!”
That is YOUNG women and girls of course.
January 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Mohamed wrote:
“..I don’t think beating is an answer for somebody you know or you loved at one point.”
Glad to hear that. You think like an atheist. “never mind what primitive people said in ancient times. I know what is right and what is wrong in my heart”
Mohamed wrote:
“So God give you the choice, and he preferred the second choice, so he left to your perssonal choic..”
hmm lets check the famous sura out.
Sura 4:34 “Men are guardians of women because God has favored some more than others and because they spend out of their wealth. Righteous women are devoted and to guard what God has guarded even though out of sight. As for those on whose part you fear ill-will and nasty conduct, admonish them, separate them in beds, beat them. But if they obey you, then seek nothing against them. Behold, God is most high and great.
.. So men are better than women because Allah likes men the most. If women behave badly men are allowed to beat them until they obey the man. Allah is high and great
- and yet he didn’t consider the possibility that a man could judge a womans behaviour wrong?
Now with sura 4:34 in our mind, lets look at these facts:
UN estimates that from 113.000.000 to 200.000.000 women around the world are “missing”.
Every year 1.500.000-3.000.000 women and girls lose their lives as a result of violence or neglect.
Selective abortions and killings of girl-babies.
Young girls die from neglect because food and medical attention is given first to brothers, fathers, husbands and sons.
In some countries where women are considered the property of men, their fathers and brothers can murder them for choosing their own sexual partners with little or no fear of punishment.
Young brides are killed if their fathers do not pay sufficient money to the men who have married them.
6.000 girls undergo genital mutilation every single day. Not all survives that.
One woman out of every five worldwide is likely to be a victim of rape or attempted rape in her lifetime.
Domestic violence is a major cause of death of women in every single country in the world!
Mohamed, perhaps your not-so-perfect-after-all-God should have written his book a little bit clearer?
Wherever the Islamists bring Shariah or islamic law in effect, women are forced from the public arena, denied education and inprisoned into a life of domestic slavery.
January 18th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
“All of you ppl are crazy and so wrong except whom are educated that they know Prophet Mohammed is right…”
Tell me nick, what exactly makes mohammed right and everyone else wrong?
January 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Nick, your argument is convincing.
I can feel the truth of it welling up inside of me. I think I’m going to convert right now.
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Oh, wait… nevermind, it was just gas.
January 18th, 2007 at 9:12 am
All of you ppl are crazy and so wrong except whom are educated that they know Prophet Mohammed is right…
January 18th, 2007 at 1:06 am
Ulrik,
I didn’t say that the quran is wrong, after God said that, he said” if you treat them better, that would be better for you”
So God give you the choice, and he preferred the second choice, so he left to your perssonal choice, and I don’t think beating is an answer for somebody you know or you loved at one point.
January 17th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
I had a feeling he wouldn’t.
Appearently he is not capable of thinking by himself - perhaps he proves me wrong.
Mohamed at least, even though his lack of knowledge, does some thinking by himself:
Mohamed 1/7-07 “I don’t agree with beating women, if the Quran said that, it has to be right, but I rather not to use it…”
Listen to your heart Mohamed - not a man who has been dead for 1400 years.
January 17th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
@Ulrik,
I doubt he will answer… since he started posting he seems to never have answered people who addressed him.
But at least he is better off than all the Turks who were posting here(or perhaps they were sharpening their copy&paste skills?)
January 17th, 2007 at 10:34 am
Onur Why am I as a non-believer in loss?
January 17th, 2007 at 2:08 am
1. I swear by the time,
2. Most surely man is in loss,
3. Except those who believe and do good, and enjoin on each other truth, and enjoin on each other patience.
Time- Quran
1. Andolsun Asra ki,
2. insan mutlaka bir ziyandadır.
3. Ancak iman edip iyi işler yapanlar, birbirlerine hep hakkı tavsiye edenler ve sabrı tavsiyeleşenler başka.
ASR
(deÄŸerli kardeÅŸlerim, bunlara yalnızca Kur’an’la cevap verelim. Rabbimizin bizlere söylediklerini hem kendimizle hem de onlarla paylaÅŸalım. En güzel söz ondadır.)
January 16th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Sıra Sizde İslam Düşmaları..
Ferman Verildi !
Mühür En Kısa Zamanda Basılacaktır.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
He just remind me with the same talking like Usama Bin Laden, I really see a lot incommen between both of them.
I’m not talking about action, I’m talking about ideas and idiology, both of them can’t accept the others, and correct me if I’m wrong.
January 16th, 2007 at 9:37 am
I think he is trying to buy his way to paradise.
“Look at me God - look how good I’m pasting and copying. I want my virgins”
January 16th, 2007 at 7:51 am
onur, Are you trying to say something or are you just testing how good copy-paste works?
January 16th, 2007 at 3:04 am
1. I swear by the daybreak,
2. I swear by the daybreak,
3. And the even and the odd,
4. And the night when it departs.
5. Truly in that there is an oath for those who possess understanding.
6. Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with Ad,
7. (The people of) Aram, possessors of lofty buildings,
8. The like of which were not created in the (other) cities;
9. And (with) Samood, who hewed out the rocks in the valley,
10. And (with) Firon, the lord of hosts,
11. Who committed inordinacy in the cities,
12. So they made great mischief therein?
13. Therefore your Lord let down upon them a portion of the chastisement.
14. Most sure!y your Lord is watching.
15. And as for man, when his Lord tries him, then treats him with honor and makes him lead an easy life, he says: My Lord honors me.
16. But when He tries him (differently), then straitens to him his means of subsistence, he says: My Lord has disgraced me.
17. Nay! but you do not honor the orphan,
18. Nor do you urge one another to feed the poor,
19. And you eat away the heritage, devouring (everything) indiscriminately,
20. And you love wealth with exceeding love.
21. Nay! when the earth is made to crumble to pieces,
22. And your Lord comes and (also) the angels in ranks,
23. And hell is made to appear on that day. On that day shall man be mindful, and what shall being mindful (then) avail him?
24. He shall say: O! would that I had sent before for (this) my life!
25. But on that day shall no one chastise with (anything like) His chastisement,
26. And no one shall bind with (anything like) His binding.
27. O soul that art at rest!
28. Return to your Lord, well-pleased (with him), well-pleasing (Him),
29. So enter among My servants,
30. And enter into My garden.
January 16th, 2007 at 1:28 am
quit throwing around the bin laden thing, it make you sound like a whiny child
January 16th, 2007 at 12:19 am
Boris Bin Laden came back again LOL:)
January 15th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
@tyler
thats a nice little pile of platitudes you copy-pasted from somewhere.
i am not judging anyone. fear of turks? yes, and rightfully so. the balkan slavs have suffered greatly under the turks. we have seen the “peaceful religion” of islam. all i know is that my ancestors fought against the turks for over 500 years, and eventually managed to drive them out of the balkans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mountain_Wreath
honestly, if i had a choice i’d prefer to not have a single muslim in europe.
January 15th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Boris:
Do you think you have the right or obilgation to determine WHERE on GODS earth people should or should not live.. even if it is your opinion? What I mean to say is.. What motivates your opinion? Fear of Turks?
Fear of death? Fear of immorality?
These are all fear. All YOUR emotion.
YOUR emotion is not what God bases decisions on. As a matter of fact, every incarnation of God has told mankind NOT to judge one another. What is judgement besides the opinion of man?
So if we judge by forming opinions.. and we’re not ’supposed’ to judge.. we ’shouldn’t’ be forming opinions.. right?
Old faiths are passed, the age of Horus has dawned. The truth is not the ACTIONS of men, but the guidance of their spirit.
The light will not fade. Lies disappear.
January 15th, 2007 at 9:46 am
In answer to # 2119. Well written, jaganneth. I fully agree with you. You write from the bottom of my soul. Humane greetings to you and your way of thinking.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Boris
You’re welcome :)
The serie consist of 6 videoclips in all in case you didn’t notice.
January 14th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Onur you REALLY need to check out that video link I posted for you.
You are seriously damaged by your upbringing and need help.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Say: “Shall we call on others besides Allah,- things that can do us neither good nor harm,- and turn on our heels after receiving guidance from Allah? - like one whom the Satans have made into a fool, wandering bewildered through the earth, his friends calling: ‘come to us’, (vainly) guiding him to the path.” Say: “Allah’s guidance is the (only) guidance, and we have been directed to submit ourselves to the Lord of the worlds.
The cattle 71
Holy Quran
January 14th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
175. It is only Satan suggests to you the fear of his votaries: Be ye not afraid of them, but fear Me, if ye have faith.
Al-i Ä°mran 175
Holy Quran
January 14th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR7AOxym0G8
January 14th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
@ulrik
thx for the video, hadn’t seen that one before.
January 14th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
heres another one for your IP block list gasmonso… ;-)
many europeans lost their lives keeping turkey out of europe. i hope they won’t be foolish enough to just let them back in. some turkish citizens have sufficiently demonstrated their level of civilization on this very website.