Muhammed Caricatures
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
UPDATE Feb 4, 2006: MUSLIM RESPONSE IS HERE
Here is a permanent home for the 12 Muhammed caricatures that were printed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten. If you don’t have a sense of humor then leave. They are just cartoons and nothing more. Comments will be enabled on here so please feel free to leave them. Keep it civil and please don’t storm my website with RPGs and machine guns. Oh, flag burning is unacceptable aswell. But feel free to boycot my site as that is a peaceful means of protest.
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
As a point of interest, does it say in the Quran that Jesus Christ made the first bat ?
to my brothers,
when I start my speeches, I should say that I am a muslim and turkish citizen. noone makes fun of any religion and the leaders of these religions. we, all muslims, accept the prophecy of the hz isa (Jesus), because he was also a spokesman of god as much as hz.muhammed (s.a.v).
some of the comments are included that muslims are terorist and this caricatures are well done. however there can not be a home, nation and religion of terorism. teror is in the spirit humanbeings. please be neutral, and respect all religions, because all religions are the reflections of GOD. respect to the religions is the respect to the GOD.
Sevgilime dokunmayın,aşkımı incitmeyin.Kaldırın şu resimleri bunu burda bile yayınlamak sevgilimi üzüyor.Allahın azabını hafife almayın.
Allah sizi kahru periÅŸan etsin.
I respest all religions. All religions speak of love. What I can’t understand why all this fuss and havok about a few cartoons.
There have been cartoons about the Christian faith, about jews, about Budism, you name it…. Why not about Islam ?
If any propfet takes offence for a caricature of him, let him be the judge in the next world.
In the meantime lets all laugh about it and learn to laugh at ourselves.
These cartoons are an unacceptable way to make humour. I want to ask to the ones that think that these are just cartoons, Do your perception of humour mean to humiliate the holy prophet of muslims?
I advice you to respect our religion and beliefs not to make fun of it!
I don’t care about your religion or other religion. You can belive in what you want, and no one can force another one to think like him. I think someone can make jokes about anything. Of chors, some people will despite that, some will love that. It’s ok! If no one will react with violence it’s ok! This is the freedom of thinking!
And do not take this personaly. Everyone was humiliated! EVERYONE! presidents, jesus, jews, muslims, indians, budists, russians, french, british, americans, ALL.
ALLAH (C.C.)’ınızdan bulun nediyelim…
Bizim Hz.Ä°sa’ya bu tarz bir saldırı lüksümüz yoktur.Onları ALLAH(C.C.)’ın tüm peygamberlerine (kendi peygamberleride dahil) havale ediyorum.
dahaca karikatüre tahammülü olamayan, olgunlaÅŸmamış zihniyete acıyorum. ulen türkiye’yi afganistana çevirdiniz be..
Why does it have to be the islam religion that is causing all this havok. This religion and muslims are tolerated alover the world. They just move in and make that country their home.
They hate so much the USA (just to mention one country) why don’t they all move out of there, for example ?
You’re right #560 but I think that the extremists that are reacting now disconsider all other religion or point of view. The problem is that there are a lot of extremists in that religion and they try to convince us too (if not by words, by force). To make us a favour, to illuminat us. But I, like a lot of other people, dont want to change my beliefs. I can live peacefully under the same roof with a person who belives in something else than in what I belive, but thay can’t do that (the extremist muslims and islamists).
YARADILANI HOŞ GÖR YARATANDAN ÖTÜRÜ.ALLAHA İNACIN VAR İSE SÖYLEYECEKLERİM SENİN İÇİN BİR ŞEY İFADE EDER, YOKSA ALLAHA EMANET OL.KURANI KERİM VE İNÇİLİ OKUDUKTAN SONRA BİR GÜN DÜŞÜN VE YAPMIŞ OLDUĞUN KARİKATÜRLER ONUN DEĞERİNDEN BİR ŞEY YİTİRTMEDİĞİNİ ANLAYCAKSIN.SENİ ALLAHA HAVALE EDİYORUZ.EN KISA SÜREDE SENİNDE MÜSLÜMAN OLACAĞINA İNANIYOR VE BU DAVADA CANINI VERCEĞİNE İNANIYORUZ.
sizin yaptığınız tam anlamıyla bok yemek.
Shamus #561. I say this #560 because we have thousands of illigal immigrants, the greater magority muslims, that leave their country in a fleet of small boats and “invade” europe.
There where only muslims when they rioted because the expected to be given a “5* hotel” for accomodatin and it has always been in the name of Allah.
I know, I’m from europe, and we tolerate them, we give them rights, like to any other imigrant. But in respons they try to change us, to force us to change? Why? We earned this fredom hard, we don’t want to lose it. no other nation dose more problems then they! They have dificulties in their countries, now they spred al this problems to us?! it’s not wright!
If I will imigrate in other country, I will try to accomodate there, to keep my beliefs of chorse, but not to disturb the way that they live there!
And it’s true, you have to earn your respect. I didn’t hear allmost nothing about good things that muslims or islamists do. After 9/11 all the world is watching them, they should be carefull in what they do!
sozde dinler insanlarin mutlu yasamasi, barisi vs. icin tanri tarafindan insanliga gonderilmis seyler. dunya tarihine bakin, butun ayrimcilik, butun savaslar, butun kotulukler dinler yuzunden meydana gelmistir. afedersiniz ama siciyim ben boyle dinlerin icine bu durumda. butun dunya birbirine dusmus bir halde. ama herkes bu dunyada yasamak zorunda. butun ilkel egolarinizi bir tarafa birakin da olumlu sonuclar almaya bakin. bu dunyayi paylasmak zorundasiniz. guya konsolosluklarini yakiyorsunuz adamlarin. ulan onlar istese ebenize girer. dunyadaki gayri safi milli hasila oranlarina bir bakin isterseniz. boyle davranarak, kendi sirtinizi zorla kasindiracaksiniz. primitif duygularinizi bastirin, once teknolojik-ekonomik-kulturel anlamda bati medeniyetini gecin. ondan sonra belki yaptiklariniz bir ise yarar. ne afyonmus be su dinler..
english summury:
all the religions sucks. look at the history of world. all the wars and crimes and every bad situation is because of religions. there is just one world. you have to share it. so, take your common senses…
and. “turkey is not a muslim country”
this is the first law of turkish constitution.
i am from turkey but i am not muslim. like the other millions. statistics sucks.
Absolutely true sour #568
If I belive in god, it’s my belief, if someone piss on god, ok, i’m sorry for him, but that does not make me doubt of my religion!
“rakı içenler öldü de su içen ölmedi mi?”
i am also muslim and don’t even care about the cartoons. have any muslim thought that what would happen if they boycott our products? it is just freedom of speech, even Muhammed wouldn’t say anything if he’d see these cartoons. maybe even he would smile a little bit and pray to God for their foregiveness. Muslims, be a worthy community to your probhet. make, don’t burn. love, don’t hate. don’t kill nobody (actually all we kill is ourselves) don’t make this a big deal. Please, i have too much to live in this world, i want peace, no war…
artı, rosa’ya küfreden salak, burdurlu vs. yani aferin abicim tam yapıyorsunuz… kavga edin, kesicez sizi deyin, azıcık yumuÅŸayana bağırın çağırın orospu çocukluÄŸuyla ve fahiÅŸelikle suçlayın. çünkü dininiz size bunu emrediyor dimi. ulan salak tolga! bir kadını zinayla suçlayan ve 4 ÅŸahit getiremeyenin cezası nedir islamda biliyor musun sen? ulan burdurlu, ülkücü müsün nesin? devlet bahçeli duysa senin böyle aÄŸzından salyalar akarak onu bunu ölümle tehdit ettiÄŸini napar sana biliyor musun? “git gözüm görmesin bu mu milliiyetçilik” der. siz müslüman mısınız ya? salaklar. varsan baksan iÅŸiniz gücünüz yoktur atıp tutuyorsunuzdur. bi taÅŸ üstüne taÅŸ koyalım demezsiniz, vay danimarkalıları öldüreceÄŸiz. bok öldürürsün. Tolga, o küfür ettiÄŸin rosa sana şöyle bir baksa abazalıktan debinen vücudunun ÅŸekli sarsılır salak, ne diye böyle yapıyorsun?
baÅŸladığım gibi bitireyim : rakı içenler öldü de su içen ölmedi mi? ölelim de bakalım allah sizin gibi ona fahiÅŸe diyen, bunu öldürmeye çalışan adamları mı cennetine alacak yoksa kimseye zararı olmayan, kelime – i ÅŸahadet getirmeyen ama bir yaratıcıya inanan, taÅŸ üstüne taÅŸ koyan yapıcı bir danimarkalı papazı mı, göreceÄŸiz.
“we shall see, whether god will give his heaven to these muslims of us who kills and attacks innocent people, or a danish priest who doesn’t harm any body, who was not muslim but a true believer of a creator and was a constructer of good things. ”
allah hepimizi affetsin. “may our god’s mercy be upon us”
istanbullu #571 cant agree more! I just hope that a lot of people will read that and they will think and act like that!
bu provakasyonna gelmeyelim…allah elbet onlara cezalarını werecektir!
I have read the whole page. Now:
Some of the messages were really great. I learned new perspectives and new stories. Some of them were like shit… like a repetition of what I see in life. (rude-ness, xenophobia, etc.)
I will not kill anyone. Anyone will not kill me. I love God. And I like smoking cigarettes.
If someone(or some government, ideal etc.) orders me to die or to kill anyone.. or if he/she/it wants me to bomb some building.. I will smoke more cigarette instead, and wait here to die. This suicide would be something, I hope. It would be more human and divine!
This rivalry is as stupid as my life-goal.
Who do you think an Arabic Muslim or a Dannish Christian or a Zimbabwian Old Mama are?
Did you drink his/her tea?
Have you listened to his/he life narrative?
Why don’t you want to enrich your life with a song, instead of ruining other one’s lives?
If there’s a injustice in the World, Noone(!) can stop it by making more unjust acts! If someone is a murderer, or a rapist; Noone could stop murders and rapes by killing him/her!!!!! IT WOULD BE JUST THE FIRST DOT OF A VICIOUS CIRCLE!
OK! We -as civilized people- know too many things. We have Internet. We learned his-stories. But, pardon me! Why do people still want to prove their ideas/beliefs to other people. If we are educated enough as we claim, then we should be satisfied. To tell our ideas without humiliating other ideas and beliefs, should be enough!
The terrorist attacks are not any religion’s fault. No religion orders to kill in the name of any God! All the wars in Qur’an are to protect themselves. If any one attacks on you, you try to protect yourself. But, if anyone who kills people by saying “I did it for goodness”; it is just bullshit! Muslims believe that Allah created people, so how come they could think that they can take the life of any Christian or non-believer instead of Allah? …people kill other people who belong to the same religions!
This dellusion is just a result of the provocation of governments and media and the so-called religious leaders of every kind! And, now, we are a part of it! Please, do not be a part of it!
There are still babies who suffer beacuse of our consumption. We -as the civilised people- do play physical and mental games, but people die because of infamine. Not beacuse the lack of education. It’s not a necessity to read Immanuel Kant to be more happy and understandable to each other. I do not mean ignorance is bliss… I mean, who says you (or “we”) or not ignorant? Please people, challenge yourself first, instead of challenging my way of existence.
Lots of the terrorist groups find their crowd because of the unjust division of power and welfare.
I think, the world after 9/11 is under a psychological trauma. If you do not believe in Islam, why do you want to prove that, it is a fake religion to the ones who believe it?
Who gives you the right to “enlighten” people when millions of people are/were killed because of the enlightenment and glorious imperialism?
I do not want to be a part of any mortal entity, I just believe God. When I was reading the messages here, I’ve seen someone above, an American friend, who said “I went to the military, to a war. We were black and white soldiers. Then I saw that his blood was red just like me!” This is the story. We have bodies that feel pain. And our blood is red.. We know it. We all took biology courses unfortunately! So, why are we keeping our stupid “ideals”? So, why are we keeping on thinking like “If we kill them all, then the World will be allrite!” Wow! What a great composition…….. I’ll smoke one more cigarette, before someone takes me to kill a human or before someone breaks my door to kill and rape me!
No one has any right to impose anything on me. As I said, I think these caricatures are not funny for me. And, they humiliate many people. So, what is the point? To be “free” in terms of expression, or to be rude? Let’s say someone shots a porno about any prophet, then are we going to be more human?
I think, these caricatures are just mental masturbation. Ideological jerk-offs. And this is my idea. You may not share it, of course. You can laugh with them, if you want.
I do not care.. I’ll be here waiting to be killed by the cigarettes. Not because of a silly war. Cigarettes are much more divine than stupid politics, canonic ideas or hate among us, for me.
I hate rhetorics, and every polite and “politically correct” speeches, that hide the inequilities in my world.
If we want to “do” something, we can be anti-terrorists, anti-racists, anti-stereotypists and we can be people who hate the injustice in the world. You are not my enemy. I am not yours. We can communicate. I want to hear more music before I die…. ..but some of the caricatures hurted me. If you do care… Bye,
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Yukarıda İngilizce kınamamı yaptım.
Åžimdi…
Ben Allah’ı ve Hz. Muhammed’i seviyorum. Kimseyi öldürmeye de niyetim yok. Kimse tarafından öldürülmeye hiç!
Dünya medyalarının (ki çoğu zaten tek-elden yönetiliyor) ve devlet politikalarının (ki yine çoğu zaten bir kaç lider tarafından yönlendiriliyor) oyuncağı olmaktansa; Danimarkalı bir arkadaş aramayı yeğlerim.
Bizim, tüketimimizi ayarlayamayışımız ve barışı siktir edişimiz yüzünden dünyanın her ülkesinde bebekler, kadınlar ve adamlar ölüyor. Kendimizi saçmalıklara tükettirdiğimiz için başka insanlar öl-dürülü-yor.
Sizin o anasına küfrettiÄŸiniz insanlar, inandığınız dinin kuralları gereÄŸi masum doÄŸuyor. Hakaretlere varan ve harekete geçmenize yol açan öfkenizi insanlığınız adına harcasanız bir boka yarar. Yoksa, Danimarkalı’sı da Amerikalı’sı da Türkü de Yunalısı’da bok yoluna gider. Tarih kitapları ne yazarsa yazsın, iyilik ve onur adına hiç bir ÅŸey yapmış olmazsınız. Birine ya da annesine tecavüz etmeyi güzel bir ÅŸey sananlara ÅŸifa diliyorum. Hakarete hakaret etmek hiç de etkileyici deÄŸil. Mücadele yolu olarak da kazanım getirmez.
Boykot fikrine katılabilirim. Åžu an Danimarka’da iÅŸsiz kalacak olanları düşünücem. AraÅŸtırma yapıcam. EÄŸer, Dan markaları tarafından sömürülüyorsam ve bir ÅŸekilde genel olarak iÅŸ bulabileceklerse bir daha, adı geçen mallarla iÅŸim olmaz. Ama ekonomileri çökecekse, aileler batacaksa, orada aç kalmaları benim kibrimden daha mühim. Dinim, bana bunu öğütlüyor. Göstermelik saldırmayı ya da nefret gösterileri yapmayı deÄŸil!
Çünkü bu tavırlar eninde sonunda, döner dolaşır, dünya’yı yine siker. HuzursuzluÄŸunu yayarsan, huzursuzluk çoÄŸalmış olur ve seni de içine alır hepsi bu. Adamlar da bunu yapmışlar karikatürlerle… fikir özgürlüğüymüş. Yalanın daniska özgürlüğü! Huzursuzluk çıkarmak istemiÅŸler, sıçmışlar iÅŸte.
Madem ki, dünyaya bu ülkede geldim, İslam inancıyla tanıştım ve onu sevdim, o zaman ona göre yaşayacağım. AMA ölüp öteki dünyaya göçene dek, benim için -dünyanın neresinde yaşıyosa yaşasın- birinin açlıktan kıvranması, senin öfkenden daha önemli oldu ve olacak. TAMAM MI KARDEŞİM!
Allah’ı ve Hz. Muhammed’i sevdiÄŸim için bana kimseyi öldürtemezsiniz, kimsenin beni öldürmek istediÄŸi paranoyasını da yedirtemezsiniz. Ideolojik savaÅŸ veriyorlarsa, aynen cevabını alırlar. Ama, kimeyi yapmadığı bir ÅŸey yüzünden cezalandırmak hak deÄŸildir. Tüm Danimarkalılar bu karikatürleri onaylıyor mu sanıyorsunuz? Yanılıyorsunuz.
Hz. Muhammed savunma savaşı dışında, canını savunmanın dışında, savaÅŸ baÅŸlattı mı? EÄŸer, durduk yere, sırf öfkelendi diye birini öldürdüyse… gerekirse onu da sevmem. O’nu böyle biri olmadığı için seviyorum ben. Anlatabiliyor muyum?
Bence dünyanın her yerine barışı yayacak kadar kafanızı çalıştırın.
Sikilmeye gelince… siz sikmeyi bir ceza mı sanıyorsunuz? Ya da öldürmeyi… eÄŸer öyleyse, siz sexte ya da yaÅŸamda tıkanıp kalmışsınız arkadaÅŸlar. “Kitle” psikolojisinden de tiksiniyorum bu arada. Allah’a emanet olun.
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/talkislam/pbsisemoffai.html
for people who doesnt know anything about islam and willing to learn more about it, this dvd set is a great source. produced by bbc. if you have time and enough dignity to learn before start judging, this is a great opportunity. this blog has some really good comments except some excited (and thus overreact)people. its good to see people who are able to disguss a very sensitive issue with a calm manner. i am a muslim too and i share the same thought with many other muslims about the caricatures. i think danish newspaper might have found another way to test the limits of free speech, because it was well known that the muslim society is very sensitive about the issue. it is called empathy. but whatever, they did it their way and succeed to piss off the arab world. i did see many people in this blog who thinks a muslim is automatically a terrorist. i dont say much about them. its really sad to see people like that exists and breathes the same weather with me. but in the other hand i respect the danish people who thinks freedom of speech is a great think.but ! imagine a man saying that he carries a bomb in the middle of a cinema with 200+ people in it. if someone does that there is no point to respect that person, even he has the right to do so. if his behaviour is so called ‘freedom of speech’.
“imagine a man saying that he carries a bomb in the middle of a cinema with 200+ people in it.”
That is a threat not fredom of speach. if he stays in the cinema and say I hate god! he is a homosexual! = this is fredom of speach.
the ones who drew all these are dogs.. danish dogs
it is terrifying to see how many people think that muslims (and TURKS??? do some reading, will you..) should be annihilated right away.
now, let’s try to remember who did something similar in the past…i assume you did remember.
i think if people would be a little bit more sensitive to the religios beliefs of some other group, and recognize that they may naturally feel insulted, i think the whole scam about the freedom of rights wouldn’t come up in the first place.
because when people are hurt, they get angry. yes, surprising for some, i know…Freedom of speech should always be defended but people should not transform the issue to a facist showdown.
so please put an end to this “crusaders rocked” vs “cihad is gonna kisk your ass” dialouge, because you only serve to interests of politicians, in the end. not the freedom of speech.
do you think freedom of speech is beyond politicians? think again. nothing is stronger than the governments. so stop being manipulated, people.
(it is intriguing to see this cartoon appearing right before the admission of Turkey to EU…)
arkadaşar sözleri bu kadar abartmayalım bizler müslüman insanları bizlere yakışmaz bu sözler.
Arm asks If you do not believe in Islam, why do you want to prove that, it is a fake religion to the ones who believe it?
I don’t believe in Islam and while I won’t set out to prove it is a fake I don’t believe it is true. Why would I? I also think that knowing the truth can be helpful. Don’t you? I think the world would be a lot better place if people tried to find out what is true by using careful observation and reason instead of relying on some dusty script written 1000s of years ago. I don’t believe any one should be forced to believe or respect any particular ideas but I do believe they should have the chance to hear other ideas – even ideas they disagree with.
I agree with you that no as the right to impose any ideas on you. Smoking causes cancer and an ugly slow death. I think you should be informed of that but I also think you should have every right to smoke until it kills you if you want and even to believe that it won’t. But after hearing all the facts about smoking I’d have to wonder …. So, why are we keeping our stupid “idealsâ€?
Peygamberimize yapılan saygısızlığı esefle kınıyorum.Bu olayları karışıklık yaratmak ve dünyayı 2 ye bölmek için yapıldığına eminim.Bizim nabzımızı ölçüyorlar olaylar karşısında nasıl tepki verdiÄŸimizi ve gelecekte ne ÅŸekilde davranılırsa bunları yok ederiz diye düşünüyorlar.Ana amaç dinler savaşı(Haçlı seferi)islamiyeti dünyaya kötü bir din olarak göstermek.Günün birinde böyle biÅŸey olacaktı kıyamet alametlerinde bunlar var.Kıyamete çok hızlı bir ÅŸekilde yaklaşıyoruz.Bizim için önemli olan bir müslüman olarak dinimizin gereklerini yerine getirmek.Sonuçta biz karlı çıkacağız Allah tüm Müslüman Alemini korusun ve dinimizi güzel bir ÅŸekilde yaÅŸamamızı bize bahÅŸetsin…
Sense Seeker,
Thanks for your reply.
Of course we can share our ideas. ..and our various perceptions of “the truth”. We can share and even exchange our observations mutually, unless we do not want to be silent. But, if you claim that your truth is closer to reality than mine; Albert Einstein might start to cry. :) I just want to “feed” myself with new and exciting stories… musical ones, dramatic ones, etc.. but I do not want wars. And, I am against any actions which might cause war and more causalities.
When I meet a new person, I do not classify them as a heretic or a muslim. When I introduce myself to a new one, I just say: “Hello, I am Arm…. Who are you?” And if he tells me an exciting story, I listen to him/her. If we find our communication point, then we continue.(i think, it should be same for anyone, too. if I bore him/her, then no reason we should be friends) Or, if I hate him/her at that point, then it’s just hate… we hardly see each other again.
I think, that’s all.
…but the governments, “free” media, weapon traders and other institutions do not think that’s enough for a reasonable life!
They try to manipulate us.
I think, these works(the caricatures) are not presented respectfully. If you are a newspaper (no matter which country you are for), you should first think intelligent, at least sensible… If any paper does not consider the humiliation of any groups of people, then it is a mistake for me. Because, all the world should consider each other mutually. We might have different upbringings, different ideas. We are different individually. So, we should care about our differences. Otherwise, the harmony is impossible. They did not do this. So, what?
Is this a legitimization for people who burn, kill etc.? Of course not! But this is the ugly result.
Burning or killing are bigger mistakes. We should do something for this irrespectable acts, too. But, I do not know what to do really? Do you have any idea?
If we think about this shit, we can see that lots of the people in the muslim world, committed those violent acts, before they saw the caricatures. People in every country are open to provocations. By their leaders or by the leaders of others! I think so no muslim country showed them in their newspapers, in order not to get any reaction. (except Urdun, a newspaper in Urdun showed the works by putting the title “Do the caricatures or the violent acts harm Islam more?”) So many people do not have Internet in those countries and in my country, too. And the poverty of the world is not something natural. It is politics. And it is simple. We do not share.. and some people (in my country or in another country) benefit from that not sharing…. that’s all.
I do not feel as a “puppet” in front of God. But, frequently, I feel as a “puppet” of the World Systems, all the ideologies.
I just want peace, in the Middle East, in my country(Turkey), in Great Britian, in U.S., Iran, Iraq etc. …there are so many people who want peace and a better life, but we do nothing. Ok, we do something but not a big thing! Probably, we do not know what to do together. That hurts me as much as, even more than those silly caricatures.
by the way, I should say something about that “we” language and “you” language… for general… those kind of speak makes me irritate. Who are “we”? and Who are “you”?… All the Dannish people did not draw or printed those caricatures… and All the Muslim people did not bomb or kill other people… By saying we, I mean humans. Why do we – as humans – provoke ourselves..as “we” and “others”… that’s -sorry but- bullshit, too.
and….
Wars make me sick more than cigarettes. Thanks for the explanation and for the mini-course you gave about smoking. :) “Cigarettes make you die!” This warning writes in my cigarette box, too.. with gigantic letters! But, I’m not afraid of dying, I’m afraid of rude-ness and those ugly mad-nesses that shake our interesting World. (still not beautiful enough, but totally “interesting”)
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Quote from #575 “for people who doesnt know anything about islam and willing to learn more about it, this dvd set is a great source. produced by bbc.”
The BBC is the official British Broadcasting Channel. A Christian country. What a GREAT example of democracy and tolerance !!!
Yet in that country it is the muslind again that cause trouble.
Correctuion to last line of #585
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Yet in that country it is the muslims again that cause trouble.
kardesim ing bilmeyen yasmasın ademiorum ama hic olmassa kufretmesin ya bu ne alla alla yazık yazık bu ne acizlik
I have this opinion, but please fell free to tell me if i’m wrong or not, or if you want to add something.
I think that we have to generalize, so we can see the big picture of things. We know that the french are polite, like cheese, like the wine. In general it’s true, but there are exceptions of corse. We can find things like this to all the nations.
About the muslims, they have two difrent ideas, the radical ones (extremists) and the moderat ones. I think that there is no majority. The extremists we see them allmost every day at tv doing something wrong (by our standards) and the moderate ones we do not see them because they do nothing wrong (again by our standards).
The cartoons were published in a danish newspaper, but the representant of the Denmark say that he regret this incident, but he has no power over the newspaper. In Danemark, this is considerd as the freedom of speach. (note that they made jokes about everything!). So, in this case, the general opinion of the danish should be considered as the one that was expressed by their representative, and not by the newspaper.
So, if someone feels hurt by this cartoons, he must sue this newspaper, and demand damages or something like this. In a civilized country this is the way things go. Of course we can find exceptions all around the world, but I have to repeat my self, those are just exceptions. Burning buildings and destroing lifes is not ok.
Shamus, If Mohammed has been offended by the Danish cartoons he or some of his elatives should sue. lol.
#586 : so you still dont know what is the difference between a real muslim and the people who uses it to cause trouble.(they are the biggest sinners) take cat stevens for instance. go have a look at his reasons for choosing islam as his religion. and please be aware that every human being will be held responsible for their own actions in the afterlife.
ps. i am very well aware what bbc is, thanks for you information. i gave that example to state how we should all behave before making any prejudgement. intelligence is everything. peace out.
and by the way the nature of the caricature as an art is to put smiles on peoples face. not to insult communities. so using the power of sketches for any other purpose is only nonsense.
If cat stevens chose islam thats his option I don’t give a s**t what he does. Even Mohammed Ali chose islam, who cares !!!
My point is that if islam is so intollerant for a few cartoons, this is not a religion but a dictatorship.
P.S
Would an islamic country publish the bible like the BBC did with the coran ?
Shamus Says:
February 9th, 2006 at 6:21 am
I have this opinion, but please fell free to tell me if i’m wrong or not, or if you want to add something.
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Shamus, I am not from any government or I do not have a coloumn in the popular+populist media. So, my idea has a little effect over people. But as a muslim, I totally agree with you. “The cartoons were published in a danish newspaper, but the representant of the Denmark say that he regrets this incident, but he has no power over the newspaper. In Danemark, this is considerd as the freedom of speach. (note that they made jokes about everything!). So, in this case, the general opinion of the danish should be considered as the one that was expressed by their representative, and not by the newspaper.
So, if someone feels hurt by this cartoons, he must sue this newspaper, and demand damages or something like this.”
The question is what’s the reason of these caricatures? Who has benefit from it? What’s the reason for the bombings? Who has benefit from that?
As you know, none of us has benefit from this. When people say “You the muslims” or “You the Dannish (sometimes Europeans and Americans)” …. we – as humanity – gain nothing. So, we should first question the power mechanisms over us. Money circulations etc. And put an effort for each other’s rights. “Freedom of speech” is necessary, ok. But being healthy and experiencing a more satisfactory life is more necessary. At least, “freedom of speech” is just a part of a more beautiful life. Not the main and ultimate goal. You are not to blame for anything, but if people do not respect to each other, the world becomes a catastrophic arena. We can know that in advance, before it turns out to be such.
However, I totally disaggree your first point. “to see the big point” and “the obligation fo making generalisations” are just empty discourses that effect all of us. And those terrorists also think from that perspective. “All the Dannish”, “All the American”… etc. This is a big lie! Each Dannish is different from other, and each Turkish is also different from the other one. And there are some Turkish and Dannish people who are closer to each other than anybody in the same nation, despite their “difference”.
National and international media, the books of official history etc. draws a static, stable kind of identity to us. And, that’s totally a big lie for me. We interact, we change, we make mistakes and nice things, etc. But we are not just “one” thing. Humans are humans. We might invent a different type of cheese at some point of history. If we born in France, we are not a “kind” person automatically. Eating more sophisticated food does not make us more elegant.
I am me. I’ve read what I’ve read. I’ve listened what I’ve listened etc. I am unique and as you know, you are unique, too. We are not our nationalities neither our religions (or atheism)… All the people are unique hybrids I think. + We have all our “demons” and “divinity” inside us. That’s what I think and believe.
Are lots of the people not aware of this? Or they just do not want to act like this?
If I were a Christian and watch CNN 2 hours a day, I’d believe that “all the muslims are offensive and violent”… but that’s the dynamics media. I think, it is as bloody as the terrorists. The choice of images… It is also same for every country. Some blames muslims, some blames christians, some blames anarchists… and we are lost between all those -isms… I wish there would be just one humpty-dumpy-ism… that all the people can understand each other.. Without the aim of teaching them the right way, or without the goal of proving themselves. Of course, without being violent!
So,
Some of them call themselves “we the muslims”, some of them call themselves “we the christians”, some of them says just “we the atheists”…. and always a plural “you…”
“You do that!” / “You do this!”…..
I do not mean you[singular here :)].. ok?
but, since when I am aware of myself as a human, I have been shocked to this way of thinking. I do believe in Islam, but that does not make any other person an enemy to me.
I want to do something good for me and for humanity, but every domain seems “dirty”. Politics, media, addvertisement sector, military, even education… So, I smoke cigarettes and wait here to be a corpse :) [just kidding ok]
ps. I am going to translate your message into turkish. It might be helpful for some turkish people. I don’t know.
i am not saying he did choose so you should too, you dont have to give a shit, all i am saying is before deciding who or what is intollerant to what, go and get some more information about the thing you are talking about. oh by the way i heard that Flemming Rose (art director of the danish newspaper which published the cartoons) said that they are going to publish some caricatures of jesus and also some jew holocaust, to show how tolerant they are. but later on the general manager Carsten Juste apoligized for his fellow colleague and said no such thing will happen (because of the reactions came even before they got published)
ı m very very upset …. the world.. isnt that so obvious it was all planned .. for muslims to bark…and we all do …. cos we r all humans and we have the weaknesses… i m sure .. everyone realizes america couldnt be more in animal way than when they attacked iraq all with no reason… so pls . u guys stop saying..only muslim kills… how can i not think it is all planned … i truely do …if i assume that there was no plan … then how can thse people who releases those pics not think.. tahts ÅŸs actually muslims beloved one…. he is who has done no mistakes..
may god forgive us
inşallah biran once ölürsünüzde dalga geçtiginiz yuce varligi gorup yerlere yatip yalvarip af dilersiniz.
arm, you are an example of a free thinker, not blinded by religion and I think most of the turkish people are.
allah belanızı versin karikütüristler!!!
derka derka #595 Again who cares. I don’t give a shit if they publish a whole news paper full of cartoons about mohammed, jesus, budda, the whole lot. Can’t you see that it is you the one that can’t understand ?