Muhammed Caricatures
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
UPDATE Feb 4, 2006: MUSLIM RESPONSE IS HERE
Here is a permanent home for the 12 Muhammed caricatures that were printed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten. If you don’t have a sense of humor then leave. They are just cartoons and nothing more. Comments will be enabled on here so please feel free to leave them. Keep it civil and please don’t storm my website with RPGs and machine guns. Oh, flag burning is unacceptable aswell. But feel free to boycot my site as that is a peaceful means of protest.
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
August 28th, 2007 at 6:41 am
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ŞEREFSİZLER
August 27th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
Howdy all,
After reading abdul’s posts another saying came to mind that I think has some bearing on the situation. Once again I can’t remember from where it originally came. I do remember it being quoted on Babalon 5.
“When you find yourself obbsessed with the enemy, you become the enemy”
Cheers
Simon Bond
August 27th, 2007 at 11:58 am
when the great war with islam comes along, we are going to dip our bullets in pig fat before shooting ragheads, then, when they are dead, we’ll bury them with pigs, hahahahahaha
August 27th, 2007 at 11:47 am
mohammed sucks allahs nipples when he’s not busy swallowing dog cum or licking pigs assholes or fucking little girls
August 27th, 2007 at 8:26 am
Quand les poules auront des dents!
Liberté, égalité, fraternité, ou la mort!
August 27th, 2007 at 7:40 am
vive l’islam et les mususlmans(es)
viva islam and muslim
August 27th, 2007 at 1:55 am
Mo, They say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.lol
I repeat, I find no harm in a drawing when the intenton is
not harmfull in it’s self. That’s why you muslims became
violent over a few drawings because you have a closed
mentality. I also repeat that each religion has it’s
coustoms. Christians draw pictures. You muslims whine and
show each other your asses. Your coustoms also segragate
the men from the wemen but of course that’s up to you.
If God judjes by the way you think, how do you know that
you’re thinking straight.
By the way, when you see YOUR president Bush, ask him to
leave Iraq. lol
August 26th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
My web site just bites, I didn’t make fun of Jesus, he is my prophet to, I made fun of the way they make him look like so they fool people, what if Jesus didn’t look that good.
God doesn’t judge by the way you look, he judge by the way you think.
August 26th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
Mo,
There you are !!! It’s ok if you joke about other religions
but you will not tollerat anybody who jokes about yours.
After all how shure are you that islam is the right
religion. Did you heir God saying so ?
As far as I’m concerned the followers of each religion
can worship God the way they like, with or without pictures.
Muslims also have a funny way to worship, facing mecca and
farting at each other’s face. For me that also makes me
laugh. It also makes me laugh to heir a somebody whining at
the top of his voice from a loudspeaker.
Mo, Is your website contaminated with viruses? lol
August 26th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Stars,
I don’t think that Muslims should have re-acted the way they did, but you have to know one thing and put it in consideration. When you talk about freedom of speech you have to know who you are talking about.
Let me explain what I’m saying in simple way, when USA invaded Iraq, the Americans thought that Iraqi will be happy and free, and they weclome that, but because the USA gov is ignorant about the Iraqi or the ME people culture, they messed everything up.
So when you talk about freedom in ME, people are not ready for it yet, most of them are not educated so they don’t even realise that this word exist.
About Jesus comment, it just makes me laugh that Christians has to have picture to beleive in God, and he has to be so charming, so he connects to them, it’s very stupid that Jesus has to be white sometimes and he has to be balck for other people, and only God knows what other versions Jesus has, may be Chiness ( everything made in China these days)
I’m not making fun of Jesus, I’m making fun of the people that they are materlistic, they have to see pictures to beleive.
By the way you can check my web site I posted an amazing video for the Miracles of the Quran( if you dare to watch it. lol)
August 26th, 2007 at 11:55 am
People enjoyed the celebration on the last milestone so much that next milestone is eagerly waited and bottles are cooled for the 3000 mark.
August 26th, 2007 at 11:25 am
Gosh, this thread is still being discussed?
For anybody who thinks it’s NOT normal for people to tease/annoy each other, get out of your glass box and go into the streets.
Here is a South Park episode that might help you on this issue:
http://www.southparkzone.com/episode-vid-512.htm
August 26th, 2007 at 10:25 am
there’s a VERY simple answer to all this disagreement!!, all ragheads fuck off back to the middle east or other muzzy shitholes, and all westerners return home.
then we’ll seal all the borders, then you can have your “pure” islamic states, and your fucking sharia.
just stay the fuck out of the west!!!.
RAGHEADS ARE NOT FUCKING WANTED!!!!!!!
August 26th, 2007 at 2:52 am
mo,
I don’t think anybody in his right mind would worship a
picture, let alone funny ones like the ones you mention. lol
If you want to know why christians worship Jesus, ask a
competent person that is instructed in christian theology.
Shurly I’m not like you that knows the way God thinks and
acts. Christian rank Jesus in a much higher position than
a prophet. Ranking “your” mohammed his subordinate. lol.
I’ve seen Jesus drawn in many skin tones and if you consider
him to look like a movie star I can only say that he must
look handsome to you. lol
mohamed, it’s better to take a joke than use them to spread
terorism and violence. In your “expert” opinion, do you
think the all mercyfull Allah and your prophet mohammed
would have been please with your over reaction to a few
harmless pictures ?
There are jokes about everyting but only muslims take to
the streets and cause havock.
If you say that there is no difference between the word God
and Allah than it looks like your’e learning. Hope that others muslims begin to learn too.
As to “freedom fries” I’m not saying that the Americans have
been right in thair Iraqi war. They should have remaind out
of it and let Sadam exterminat all those that did’nt aqree
with him. (A few less muslims perhaps). If you read well
the text in the links you should know where the joke lies,
if you can manage, that is. lol
August 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
I don’t see anything funny about the cartoon, it has been made to anger Muslmis, that was the only prurose of it.
Every body knows that Muslims don’t put prophet Muhammed in pictures, so nobody turns and worship him like the Christians worship our prophet Jesus.
And the other question, how comes Jesus is white person, and he looks like movie star(anyway it’s off topic)
We don’t take jokes when it comes to God and prophet Muhammed and other prophets.
Answering your question in another post, there is no differnce between God and Allah, it’s translation for the word, the USA media like to use this term which only God knows why. The funny thing that people in USA when they talk to me about God, they said Allah.
Freedom fries wasn’t just a joke, it was kind of boycot the french product, and it was France didn’t agree on going to Iraq.
I wish USA had listened to France, we would be all better off.
August 25th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Mohamed
Freedom fries has been a bigger joke.
It’s tipical of “what’s in a name” beside else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/11/politics/main543555.shtml
August 25th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Stars and Stripes,
Freedom fries, wasn’t it a joke?
August 25th, 2007 at 1:35 am
@ mohamed #2782
You are saying anothe joke. Only its a very stupid one
indeed.
August 24th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Alcari,
But our prophet Muhammed( the best human-being ever came to the earth ) is not a joke.
When you make a joke, you make a joke from the lesser, so if you gather all this human-being, the wouldn’t weight on the scale for Prophet Muhammed.
We are free to burn flags, and boycot who ever we wants, or did you forget the freedom fries :)
August 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
It is a damm joke, which is exactly why intelligent people aren’t doing anything.
While uneducated idiots with no sense of humor take to the streets and burns flag.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pm
THIS IS NOT A JOWKE OR SOMETHING TO HAVE A LAUGH ABOUT THIS IS OUR RELIGION THEY ARE PUTTING DOWN IN OUR VERY OWN EYES AND NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT…
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pm
At the beginning i will say that I am Danish, then you know!
When I first saw the drawings in the Danish news paper, called Jyllands Posten, I laughed my ass of! Like I would have done if it had been a joke about our queen, prime minister or stupid people from westen Jutland (thats where I live).
We have a lot of muslims and immigrants from the Middle East, it is not a problem that they are here, many of then behave normal and live as muslim under Danish laws. But some think that they still live in thier native country, and can do whatever they want, like forced marriage, and putting down women because they only need to give bith mens children, try selling daughters to other men etc.
And we also have a gruop of people who thinks that all is free. 50% of all crimes in Denmark i done by immigrants(muslims). That is a high number, when there only few percents of immigrants in Denmark.
I hate these two kind of people! And only these two, it do not bother me that they are muslims and living under musæim regulation, as long as they respect and observe the Danish law.
There was a muslim man who traveled around the muslim world to inform them about the drawings. He has been living here for many years, and why should he then betray our country, the country that he has been living in. If he do not like this country, why the hell is he living here? We have a lot of other people who do not like Denmark, but why the hell are you living here. Live like us or find a country where you can do as you want (maybe your own!).
Black humor as we call it, is humor about normally seriously subjects. tjek wikipedia for more info!
Thats humor today! I can not describe it better, that is one of the ways that we make changes in our everyday life.. see it, read it, laugh of it, forget it, waiting for the next joke, it could be something about what I mention in the beginning, or Bush the Bastard, Mountain Monkeys from Sweden, or the Danish Idiot who ruined our last international match in soccer! could be anything..
See ya al’ in tha HELL - By fuckers :D
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:03 am
Why on earth do you muslims have to keep adding “Allah”
after the word God !!!!!
To me it sounds like sheer stupidity or there are 2 Gods.
God (1) for the “infidels” and the other (Allah) is for
muslims.
Another saying among muslims is Muhammed followed by “peace be upon him”. It sounds as if Muhammed needs peace after the
troubled life he led. LOL
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:36 am
Please repent ur mistakes & ask forgiveness from allah
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:34 am
Islam means complete way of life..it teaches how to live & what is the way to live.Muhammed(Peace be upon him) is god(Allah) Messenger.He taught us how to live this life & life after dooms day
In order to understand the message of Islam, it is first necessary to acquaint ourselves with the prophet of Islam. You cannot, as the popular saying goes, separate the message from the messenger. It is therefore only natural to wish to study the life of Muhammad (pbuh), his manners and his morals, and to see how Islam manifested itself in his person as a living example for all Muslims till the end of time.
Hind ibn Abi Hala (the son of Muhammad’s wife Kadijah) described Muhammad (pbuh) as follows:
“The Messenger of Allah was of consecutive sorrows, continuous thought, never finding rest, long in silence. He did not speak without cause. He spoke with his full mouth (was not arrogant), and spoke concisely. His speech was just, with neither excess nor deficiency. He was not pompous, nor denigrating. He exalted all blessings no matter how small and never belittled a single one. He would never praise his food nor criticize it. He was never angered by matters of this life nor that which was associated with it. However, if justice was transgressed nothing could stand up to his anger until justice was established. He never became angry for his own self nor sought retribution for himself. If he gestured, he did so with his whole palm. If he was amazed, he overturned it. If he spoke, he struck with his right palm the inside of his left thumb. If he became angry he turned away, and when he was happy he lowered his gaze. The majority of his laughter was [restricted to] smiling.”
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Background
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The advance of AIDS in the Middle East and North Africa has continued with latest estimates showing that 67 000 people became infected with HIV in 2005. Approximately 510 000 people are living with HIV in this region. An estimated 58 000 adults and children in 2005 died of AIDS-related conditions.
Although HIV surveillance remains weak in this region, more comprehensive information is available in some countries (including Algeria, Libya, Morocco, Somalia, and Sudan). Available evidence reveals trends of increasing HIV infections (especially in younger age groups) in such countries as Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Somalia.
The main mode of HIV transmission in this region is unprotected sexual contact, although injecting drug use is becoming an increasingly important factor (and is the predominant mode of infection in at least two countries, Iran and Libya).
Infections as a result of contaminated blood products, blood transfusions or a lack of infection control measures in health care settings are generally on the decline, but remain problems in some countries. The percentage of total reported AIDS cases attributed to contaminated blood decreased from 12% in 1993 to 0.4% in 2003.
Except for Sudan, national HIV prevalence levels are low in all countries of this region. However, most of the epidemics are concentrated geographically and among particular at-risk populations, including sex workers and their clients, drug injectors, and men who have sex with men.
Across the region, there is a clear need for more, better and in-depth information about the patterns of HIV transmission, especially the roles of sex work and of sex between men.
On both fronts, scant information has been gathered; this suggests that there is a likelihood that HIV is transmitted through other risky behaviours or in other contexts.
For example, in several countries of this region, a combination of inadequate surveillance data and strong sociocultural taboos against sex between men could be hiding sex between men as a factor in HIV transmission.
There’s NO fornication or homosexuality in islam, (so they tell us, lol) so all these figures must be one of those wicked zionist plots, or western propaganda, hehehehehe
August 22nd, 2007 at 6:32 pm
far more muslims have died of AIDS than westerners have died from trichonosis
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Jagannath, We’ll soon read that mohammed had allready
discovers trichinosis and thats why it is prohibited to
consume pig’s meat by muslims. lol
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:04 am
Sid beat me to it, but I wanted to add that you don’t really have to know everything about a topic (religion in this case) to make fun of it.
It is generally asumed people have a sense of humor, which prevents them from being insulted by jokes. When I make a joke about German, I’m sure Germans will laugh just as hard as I do when someone makes a joke abour Dutchmen. Same with religion, bring on the Atheist jokes and i’ll laugh.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 am
Hello za,
So have you gotten to know all the religions? What didn’t you like about Zoastrianism? How about Peyotism? What was so untrue about that belief system?
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 am
Stars and Stripes, if you want to know about the non-religious reason for the ban you need to check about Trichinellosis, which is also called trichinosis.
It is a parasite commonly found in meat eating wild animals but also in domesticated pigs. It has quite nasty symptoms and it can lead to death on occasion. You can catch it by eating undercooked or raw meat. As pigs were often the carriers due their rather omnivorous appetites, the cause and effect rose out of that.
Is there any real reason against it today? Well, if you under cook your pork, of course but there are effective and safe medicines for treatment.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:16 am
if you don’t know about something, then don’t do anything sensitive to it. Muslims love their prophets and the only God (ALLAH). others may not know how deep is the love of muslims to Islam. Get to know all religions and you will know which one is the truest among all.
August 21st, 2007 at 12:15 pm
From How to become muslim:
“Do you not know that accepting Islam destroys all sins which come before it?” (Saheeh Muslim)
When one accepts Islam, they in essence repent from the ways and beliefs of their previous life. One need not be overburdened by sins committed before their acceptance. The person’s record is clean, and it is as if he was just born from his mother’s womb. One should try as much as possible to keep his records clean and strive to do as many good deeds as possible.
I heard that Jack The Ripper converted to islam just before
he died and went straight to heaven. LOL
August 20th, 2007 at 10:42 am
I find simply impertinently not everything muslime are thus and auserdem there are also NICE MUSLIMS FOR IGNORANCE to the INFO and they must also have a little bit respekt before our religion
August 20th, 2007 at 6:59 am
Mo, getting drunk is a sin under any religion beside it is moraly wrong. Drinking alcoholic drinks is no sin and that’s
one reason I do’nt agree with islam. In islam treats it’s
followers like “school children” I puts a rule on every aspect of life. I belive it also says somthing on how to
shit.
Most arabs that cause touble here, it’s because in their
country alcohol is prohibited and when they are away they
drink untill ther’re pissd out of their head.
BTW why is pork meat prohibited ?
August 19th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Mo, Most of the time I will be teasing you but this is very
true that most arab muslims that come to my country are the
cause of most of the crimes, which include rape, murder and
fighting when drunk.
I will agree with you which I don’t beleive it’s correct what you claim but I will take it as a fact for the sake of argumen.
you said they fight when drunk, so what do you think Islam opinion about drinking, and what do you think about Muslims drinking alchohlic? Do you think they are truly Muslms or just named Muslims.
The other thing, you proved to me that Islam is right when prohibiting drinking, because drinking make people rape and do other stupid stuff.
I have no problem if you want to tease me, it’s ok for me, but you have to know something, being Muslim doesn’t mean you are perfect or that certain Muslim following Islam instruction.
You should judge Islam and not judging Muslims, because I don’t agree with alot of Muslims, but I know what Islam and I knew what Islam could do for human-being when he follows it in right way, and that’s why you find the convert Muslims get right more than the born-Muslims.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Mo, Most of the time I will be teasing you but this is very
true that most arab muslims that come to my country are the
cause of most of the crimes, which include rape, murder and
fighting when drunk. I havent said that I am an atheist but
I would’nt dream of becoming muslim. I’m saying this because
you have boasted that americans and europeans are becoming
muslims.
August 19th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Stars and Stripes
“All I can tell you is that 70% of hard criminality
is brought to my country by muslims. This include rape,
murder and drugs and on a lesser scale drunkness. You can
keep islam. I would rarther be an atheist.”
I just want to know how Muslims brought rap to your country?
Are you for real? People convert to Islam to get rid of the shitty life they live in, to better human-being.
Look at your self as Athiest, you are shame my friend.
August 19th, 2007 at 7:43 am
Mo, It’s all bullshit. I do’nt give a shit about Dick Cheney. What leaders are you writing about ?
If you’re calling “America freedom” a big lie then it’s you
that is live it because you went there to lick their ass holes. All I can tell you is that 70% of hard criminality
is brought to my country by muslims. This include rape,
murder and drugs and on a lesser scale drunkness. You can
keep islam. I would rarther be an atheist.
August 18th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Stars,
I think if you know how to read, I didn’t assume, I got confused between Jaganath and somebody else, and I offered my apology.
By the way did you watch Dick Cheney video in 1994, do you know now that your leaders fooling you, do you know now that you are living in big lie called American freedom, did you know now that they kill every right you had before.
Islam is the solution my friend, and Islam is offering the highest moral ground you can ever see.
Want facts, see how Islam spreading in USA, and see how Islam spreading in Europe, and the people who converts did for what the Islam offering, and it’s the truth.
Good luck Stars.
August 18th, 2007 at 4:19 am
“The only solution is in Islam” BULLSHIT !!!
“It’s the singer not the song.”
August 18th, 2007 at 4:14 am
Mo, are you still trying to convince us with your ridiculous
assumptions ? Who are the evel people you’re mentioning
here?.
No assumptions please just facts !!!
August 17th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Jagannath,
Sorry, I think I got confused between you and Blasphemer(Somthing like that), I don’t really remember his nick name.
I agree with you abou the killing part, and agian sorry for the misunderstanding from my part, and I hope you accept my appology.
What you said in your comments sound really beautifull, but you know what the problem? The problem that some Muslims see that they think about Utopia, and makes life this way, which is not going to happen.
The same way your opinions and I’m sure you believe it will change the world, but it’s not, if you think that athiesm would solve the issue, it will not, when you become a power, some Athiest will kill and fo alot of bad things.
The only solution is in Islam, but we have to understand that Islam is not going to produce Utopia, and the reason because we are all human, we are going to do mistakes no matter what.
August 17th, 2007 at 4:34 am
That is quite an assumption, claiming that I would want to kill people. You have proof of it, any evidence that it is true.
Have you seen my face in some videos where I proclaim my coming deeds of mass murder? Am I gathering people who do not agree with me and shooting or decapitating them? Do I kill my family if I think they tarnish my honor? Can I be found in gatherings and telling people to kill and teaching them how to kill?
Or is it just what you think as it makes it easier for you to keep believing in your ideas?
Believe it or not but I have no desire to kill people. I personally find the whole idea as futile and not even suitable for a capital punishment. I do want to kill some concepts and ideas which have proven to be cancerous to humanity and if those concepts die off, I am not shedding any tears.
Please, do not talk so flippantly about killing people. Taking a life is truly Evil and trivializing it mocks those who have been forced to do so in defense of their own life or in defense of some one else. Killing is easy only if you lack compassion. mercy and love. Killing does not only kill the other people, it kills part of you also.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
You should add,
Evil is people who got drunk and doing stupid people and kill people because of their doings.
Evil is women get drugged and raped and it calls freedom.
Evil is suppressing people opinion, and suppress the way they want to dress.
Evil is taking 20% interest from people, and nobody is doing anything about it, and now it’s destroying the economy.
Evil is when the corruption and the money controls people lives, and as magna mentioned, go watch Loose change video and you will know how money can make disasters and they stick it to Muslims.
Evil is dropping Bombs and killing thousands people for oil.
The list goes on and on, so the concept of evil could change from person to person, it’s just you see the side you like and you ignore the rest.
The reason I said I see you as an evil and Boris too, because if you have the chance you would like to kill Muslims, which is the same evil doings like the extremist Muslims who wants to kill infidel.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:42 pm
I am just evil, that is a disappointment. One has to strive harder then in promoting acceptance, free thought and freedom of opinions, science and equality of sexes.
But what is evil?
Evil is a broad concept which cannot be easily dissected but Fascism is form of evil? I would surmise many people agree with that claim;
What all that can include?
Religious practices will be limited to one, state sponsored religion. Other religions are either persecuted or allowed to exist under harsh, often changing conditions and all followers are not treated as citizens.
Forced rituals, which must be followed or one must face penalties ranging from imprisonment to physical punishments. Not filling the required ritualistic practices can be used as a cause for various penalties and questioning the loyalty of such persons.
Dress code separating sexes, status and importance. There cannot be variance in the style of dress which is also seen as disloyalty. Uniformity and segregation must be endorsed.
Education will be limited to only those subjects deemed safe, anything which might contradict the generally accepted must be prohibited. Science and biology are often limited greatly as those might prove concepts which go against the governmental policy and degree.
Free speech is non existent, media is controlled and mainly consists of propaganda and news idolizing religious figures, the accomplishes of the government. Individuals are ignored unless they are of sufficient status.
Men are allowed to school themselves where upon women are the homemakers who have no need for such. Men supply sustenance and women breed the next generations for the government.
Medical treatments can be limited by your status and the treatments available are only those which follow the policy set by the government. Any medical procedure which might prove the governments claims false is not allowed. Those often are available to the ruling elite.
Sports are either limited to set government endorsed ones or totally banned. Recreational sports are often banned, only those with some militaristic benefit are accepted, if any are accepted. Sport are often seen as non religious activities and thus not fit for believers.
Banking and economic programs do not exist, monetary transactions are carefully monitored by government. Any kind of self-improvement is seen as anti-governmental.
Industrial development is decided by the government, production is limited to only items deemed acceptable. Recreational items are not to be manufactured as those do not increase the influence of the government.
All forms of drama, theaters, cinema, arts and music are limited or totally banned. Imagination is not a trait which the government needs. All creative arts are waste of resources unless those are used to further the governmental power.
Food is limited as is drink. Only those approved by the government can be used and food and drink often contains rules and ritualistic practices to keep the consumption controlled. Alcohol is often banned as it can cause impromptu presentative art to happen or other acts not deemed acceptable.
Punishments are mostly physical and performed for all to see. Disproportional penalties are common and victims are often punished also. A separate police force is often employed in gathering information of various misdeeds and crimes to ensure that no one is able to avoid any regulation. People can be judged without a hearing based on a hearsay.
Families are also controlled and the number of children monitored. Government gives strict rules how one is to life and to behave and those rules dictate most natural acts from how to use toilet to treating of family members.
Government is not following agreement with other nations unless it gives some benefit. External contact is highly restricted and any information from outside is changed to suit the needs of the government.
That is one facet of evil, simplified version of it.
But evil can be different to different people. Some would find the above to be paradise and would be willing to see drastic actions being taken to make sure such government would rise into being.
Some are just more willing to sacrifice themselves to the task as that is what they were taught to believe in. I cannot say they are evil in any true sense as they know no options and are indoctrinated against even thinking of such concept as choice. One cannot be evil with knowing only one way.
Who taught that way, well that is totally different issue.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
the live version
a theory on 9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDx1GLqvBO8
August 16th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
One more thing..
this is not about religion and stuff.. more like about what happened on 9/11.
download and watch “loose change” if you have not seen it yet. it was made by an american and brought a LOT of controversy and discussion to what happened that day.
personally, I call it a -must see-.
watch it and decide for yourselves how this “religious” war started.
“loose change” is available on their website in many different languages (or they had subtitles.. not sure). Just google it and you’ll find their site on top of the list. then download and watch the movie.
definitely worth a watch!!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
We are the ones who create evil. We ourselves. There is nothing that comes from the outside. Let me explain:
Let us imaging two people. One is A the other B. Although A and B think different.
A and B meet on the street one day.
Scenario 1: A hits B in the face. Now B is likely to hit back or do even worse. Then A will hit even harder and so it goes on until one of the two drops. Well, by attacking, A gave B the chance to say “He hit me first!!”
The overall fighting will grow (evil will gain power).
Scenario 2: A smiles at B in a friendly, loving way. Although B is so resistant and blinded by his beliefs, that he will attack A for smiling.. or maybe even looking at him. Well this is the time for self-defence. But fighting should ALWAYS be the last option. After the fight, certainly B will lose, because A will have the power to say “B hit me first”.
The overall fight will grow (evil will gain power).
Senario 3: A smiles at B in a friendly, loving way. B would be so surprised, and maybe even like it and think “Hey, A is not that bad a guy.. in fact I think I kinda like him.”
Now this is THE way to “win”.
The overall fight will ease (evil will lose power).
Conclusion: Fighting.. using force is evil. No matter if it is the good guy or bad guy who initiates it. And evil against evil will only create more evil. It is so obvious.
I often think “what kind of person would I have become if I was born on the other side of the planet or under different circumstances? Is there a chance that I would have become the very person that I used to dislike so much if I was born in his/her environment?” You bet.
Please let go of your resistance and accept people for who they are. Learn to co-exist in peace and love. We are the only species on this planet capable of understanding this, so let us use this potential.
Every person is born as a free entity. Free to decide what he/she wants. Although please bear in mind that freedom can only exist as long as one persons freedom does not hinder another persons freedom.
August 16th, 2007 at 7:20 am
Boris,
thanks for your opinion, you always enlight everbody with your moderate opinion.
Jag,
In my opinion you and Boris are evil, so should I apply what you said previously to both of you, here is the bad thing, how could define evil?
Evil would have some many defination based on who you are talking with, so people will kill each other because thy think the other are evil, that would be interesting lif.
Pleas think about what you write before enlight us by your wisdom.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
escuse me plese thank you. Is to ply with ones self sin in islam i am hindu
August 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
@Jagannath
i think mohammed was praising you for you opinion… only among muslims could mohammed ever be considered a moderate. a born-again xtian who takes the bible as the literal word of god (much like mohammed does with the quran) would be considered an extremist.
August 15th, 2007 at 8:11 am
Helo evri bady i am cald harundi. i like the peple in hier
becos very wise. all are big heds and lerned gays.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:16 am
So, according to you extremist muslims have the same view as I but moderates like you feel that evil must not be opposed but to submitted to.
Well, explains why the so called moderates never say anything about islamist actions and of terrorism. So in the views of the extremists and me, moderates are not good men.
Funny but that kind of makes perverse sense to me.
August 14th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Jaganth,
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”
I think that the extrmist Muslims has the same opinion like you, wow.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
This is your stand
This is my stand
August 14th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Irishthunder, I respect your idea. If you do not believe in God, that is fine. If you believe in God, that is fine. If you believe in Buddha, that is fine. If you believe in Moses, that is fine. If you believe in the Jedi, The Matrix, or even that the universe as we know it is just the laboratory of a higher civilization, that is fine, also. If you believe in “there is nothing to believe in” (that is a belief also), that is just as fine. The point is, we can not achieve peace by resisting ideas or things.
If you believe that getting rid of things is the right thing to do, it shows that you are a resistant person.
Resistance causes stress (as seen above) and stress hurts. IT HURTS THE PERSON WHO CREATED IT IN FIRST PLACE (as the person to create this stress, that very person would be the first to experience this stress). This person then starts to blame others for the stress that person generated itself. That is the point where this person starts to hurt others.
You see.. peace is so easy to achieve.. It actually is as easy as DOING NOTHING.. and you will have peace. (By “doing nothing” I mean “not resisting” and “just accepting what is”). Sure, go to work, go out with friends, enjoy life to its fullest, because it is MARVELOUS! Just do NOT resist. There is NO point!
To sum up all that I have written:
You cannot have peace by the use of non-peace.. just like you cannot have happiness by the use of unhappiness.
It is not natural.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Mango, there is no god. The only way to find total peace between people is to get rid of this stupid idea that some god above created everything and watches over every single individual person.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
Hi again.
In my previous comment I forgot to mention to what I refered by “all-there-is”. I used “all-there-is” as a common name for God or Allah in order to avoid separating the two.
maNgo
August 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Hi all.
Fighting, blaming, resisting each other really is senseless if you seek peace of mind and the wisdom of the all-that-is.
This only creates more hatred and suffering, thus hurts the all-there-is.
Please make peace with all-that-is, which includes yourself in first place, because it is YOU who will make peace.
maNgo
August 11th, 2007 at 2:08 am
no..no..no, don’t give sorry to me infidel. it’s fine if u don’t believe it.
i should make apologize. maybe unappropriate if i tell about that old story in this forum. but i just want tell to people around the world…if there are not any unjustice, hateness, and attacking action to islam, moslem will happy…together make peace, until we face our destiny..that’s all.
don’t blame ur self..fully respect,
mamat from indonesia
August 10th, 2007 at 11:48 am
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August 10th, 2007 at 9:43 am
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August 10th, 2007 at 6:24 am
sorry mamat, we’ve heard all this old horseshit before, many times, still, if it keeps you happy to believe such shit………….
August 9th, 2007 at 4:51 pm
Hello my friends..all of the world from any religion.
I am from indonesia, southeast asia. a country with the biggest moslem in the world.
I don’t confused about jillan’s pic. because i believe the doomsday will come. islam said, before the doomsday…Isa prophet or cristian called him as jesus will come to earth. tell the truth about God (Allah), islam, and mohammed. because mohammed is the last prophet after Isa with the same religion from the God.
The signs that Isa will come is the crisis in middle-east. palestine conflict (jerusallem), the USA invasion to irac (baghdad), and now we will see..when the invasion goes to dammaskus in syiria? jerusallem, baghdad, and dammaskus are the holly cities for islam. we believe that if dammaskus is under attacked by jude or jewish who unlike with islam (from israel and USA), the truth will come.
But before Isa appear, a person who called “imam mahdi” will come and struggling the invasion of judes. in holly Qur’an show about “dajjal” or satan with one eye that try to instigate people to hate islam or instigate moslem to make sins. in this case i believe that USA/israel judes who unlike with islam is dajjal from their politics. see also the symbol of US dollar..you can find triangle with one eye.
“Imam Mahdi” is a holly leader who will lead moslem from around the world and bring islam in the glory age. but after that, many moslem foolish by the prosperity…and become thriller to Islam religion. then Isa will come to give awareness and tell the truth of God, Islam, and Mohammed. but after that just a little community that still keep in faith with islam religion (Holly Qur’an and the lesson from mohammed). then the doomsday will come to give the justice.
I don’t know “imam mahdi” is osama bin laden or ahmadinejad (Iran’s president), susilo bambang yudoyono (my president) or the other moslem around the world.
I keep my faith about that future..just wait and see a big occasion will happened.
I just an ordinary moslem..not a fundamentalism moslem that there are people usually said them as terrorist. but i really believe that Islam is a peace religion to all human kind. Islam not teach to hurt anybody…or hate another religion (in Holly Qur’an is perfectly clear). just keep in my mind..”truth will come from the sky”.
Best regard everyone,
mamat from indonesia…a beautiful paradise
August 5th, 2007 at 11:04 am
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August 5th, 2007 at 9:17 am
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August 2nd, 2007 at 5:56 am
we are all bloody bastards deep inside.
i personally think those who point out mistakes of others often &less on themselves are the worst.
&i don’t see a point in these caricatures either, give me a good one &i might even put it on my desktop.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:01 am
“I am challenging you all that you must read The Holy Quran you will find the peace of mind. Just read it once”
I HAVE read it, more than once, and I still think it’s a load of shit.
FUCK THE KORAN!!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2007 at 10:56 am
Gul Khan,
PS I apologize for mistyping your name in my last post.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:54 am
Gur Khan,
You said in post 2728 “Do you know science has come from Quran and the early scientists were all the Muslims, for detail please visit the link “.
The list is interesting, and I agree with you that it is the case that many people who would have categorized themselves as Muslims have made contributions to science (in fact, I have worked in science with a few such people), but your statement is actually demonstrably false, and your linked list is fundamentally flawed, for the following reasons:
There is no such thing as a “Muslim scientist”, nor a “Christian scientist, nor a scientist of any other religion. Science and religion are simply incompatible opposites. In science, the scientific method demands that everything can be challenged; there is no belief; all hypotheses are subject to doubt. There can be well-supported theories, but there is always the possibility that a given theory may be pushed aside or refined based on new evidence or new insights. Real adherence to a religion demands absolute belief (and typically, for most popular religions, dogmatic belief in an ancient book of questionable origin and veracity, in my opinion). Belief and doubt are definitive opposites. Religion such as Islam pre-ordains and requires belief in explanations of phenomena, and does not permit itself to be subject to revision. This is fundamentally incompatible with how science works.
Therefore, the people that are in the wikipedia list that you cite probably are or were Muslims, but they were not acting as Muslims (nor as adherents of any other religion) when they did their science.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:42 am
@Gul Khan
Yes we know about “muslim scientists”. They can make bombs even out of “horse manure” All towards peace according to
the quran. LOL.
July 31st, 2007 at 3:41 am
Hello all!
I am worried about all you said against Islam. You know Islam is the only religion which gives lesson of peace. I am challenging you all that you must read The Holy Quran you will find the peace of mind. Just read it once. Do you know science has come from Quran and the early scientists were all the Muslims, for detail please visit the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
Religion is somebody’s person matter that he/she believes it or not. No one is responsible of any one’s matters bcz Allah(God) blessed brains to all humans. They can find the right or wrong way themselves. At last I am again saying that the holy persons of any religion is respectable to all. Either he/she is a muslim or non-muslim and critisism on someone’s religion is the worst one.
May Alla(God) grant you to understand things.
Feel free to mail me or ask me anything about Islam.
Ypur brother……..
Regards.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
ülen orospu çocukları sizin alayınızın anasını sikeyim siz kimsiniz amına koyayım sizin haçlı olan tüm insanlarınızı götten sikeyim .
NE MUTLU MÜSLÜMANIM DİYENE ””’ ‘
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July 29th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
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July 23rd, 2007 at 11:24 am
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July 20th, 2007 at 1:30 am
Mo,
“How could you know my leaders? Did I name any one of them?!”
I don’t know who your leaders are. I never said I did.
You never named any. I never said you did.
All I’m saying is there has never been anyting as an
official statment by your spiritual leaders saying that they
condemn terorisim and disasociate islam as a religion from
it.
“your media doesn’t show moderate people.”
Mo, Which is my media ??
Is’nt Google my media ? Is’nt CNN my media. Is’nt Euronews
my media? Is’nt El-Gezira my media? As a few examples.
In my opinion, If you resign from your religious fanatism
you will probably understand better what I and a few others
mean. However that’s up to you. It’s your privilage for
living in a free country.
July 20th, 2007 at 12:14 am
How could you know my leaders? Did I name any one of them?! Just to let you know, if there is a religious guy to be my leader, his name is Amr Khaled. You can look him up on Google and check his web-site. Look at what is he talking about, and see how your media doesn’t show moderate people. They just show stupid people and they portray them as the leading voice of Islam.
BTW, the web site has English version.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
Mo, you’re the one that think you know every thing about
religion and it shows from your replies. I’m not assuming.
As regards being among the billions of islam followres. What do I care ! If you’re happy enjoy it.
I never critisized you for your religious beliefs.
I critisized your spiritual leaders that allow your religion
to be used for terorism.
What has caused all the fuss about these few cartoons ?
It was’nt that islam and mohammed have been “labled” as
terorists. It was because the image of mohammed has been
drawn. If that’s islam I don’t envy you at all.
Finally, I’m here just to “kill time” and thank you for
entertaing. I never take things too seriously. Life is too
short. However I honestly belive that your spiritual leaders
are allowing your religion to be used for terror.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
Leave theology for professional.
So I understand that you are one of these pro. Any way from you answer to other people who comments here, I can see your personilty clear now.
I don’t want to know what do you believe in, I’m just proud that I can stand between a billion people who could Islam and say I’m Muslim.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:22 am
Mo, one more thing. Leave theology for “professionals”.
In my humble opinion you’re making a mess of the subject.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:37 am
Mo,
Don’t feel sorry for anyting, if you find me pathetic. You
can call me sarcastic too if you prefair, I don’t mind.
That’s your privilege. I respect your opinion. I find you
to be trying to hide your emotions someting you can’t
resist.
So now tell me, how do christians smell ? Some say muslims
stink. I’m not entirly of that opinion.
As to what religion I follow, well keep guessing.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:07 am
Mr star, one more thing, what do you believe in, you didn’t say yet, are you christian or Athiest, you didn’t introduce your self yet. I would like to know, so I know who I’m talking to.
I have feeling you are chtristian, I don’t know why, but I can smell it from a mile.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:01 am
Stars, you are pathetic, you really need help so bad, everytime I see your comments, I try hard to get over it, but seriously, I can’t, even your jokes make me sick.
I don’t know why I feel sorry telling you these words, I just can’t keep it, pleas give me the credit tha I kept for more than one week, I’m not strong enough to keep it.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:43 am
alcari,
“the asumption you’re an american is one the WHOLE world
would make”.
Well, that is ANOTHER false assumption, since you are
assumeing the whole world thinks like you !!!
By saying that Germany had to pay it back you are at least
admiting that Germany has also received marshial aid.
What was paid back I don’t know, but remember that Germany
was on the loosing side and divided in east and west.
The west recoverd much faster then the communist east.
I will not go into the east/west story and how Germany has
been divided that is compleatly bejond the objective of this
thread. All I can say that Germany nerver paid a “brass farthing” for the damages caused to other countries it
invaded and bombed, including my country.
IF germany paid back I don’t see any harm in that since
Germany recoverd much better than most countries on the so
calld winning sise.
To “do what works” does’nt remove the “lable” of terorisim.
That is you opinion and you are entitled to it. So now you
should start a petition to remove the word war from all
dictionaries and replace it by the word terorisim if it is
found to work better.
No to war. Yes to terorism because it works !! I respect
your opinion but I don’t share it.
As for religion, again you have the liberty to belive or
disbelive what you like. As I said at the begining, in my
reply to Mo. We’ll see what happens when we’re “six feet
under” If you’re all that sure there is no God you really
have reason to be proud of being an atheist. I’m not !!
I try not to jump to conclusions. lol
BTW, what’s your opinion about the Mohammed cartoons ?
We seem to be missing the true objective of this thread.
July 18th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Stars,
“”Keeping out of your country who you don’t like is one thing, exporing terorisim is another thing.”"
I don’t condone killing civilians, as i’ve said before, I merely point out that people do what works. Their view is that the entire population is evil and a scourge to the world. This idea is completely based on religion. Besides, the same could be said for the USA, keeping muslim terrorists out is fine, but making war on another country is not.
Also, the asumption you’re an american is one the who world would make, based on you name. Also, I’ve never made it a secret that i’m atheist (proud of it)and my opinion about terrorism is pretty clear from my above statements.
One last point on marshal aid, the german had to pay it back, france and the rest of europe didn’t.
As for what Infidel said,
I find it pretty hard to get a good grip on what the people really think about musharraf, as the media is esentially all under his control. Reading up on forums and other personal sources is a little difficult, seeing how I don’t speak Urdu (?)
Most sources i do understand can’t seem to agree with one another. However, I can reason that, If anyone would pull all the crap he did, in my country, I wouldn’t be thanking him for it.
July 18th, 2007 at 8:15 am
infidel,
You’ll soon read that what you say also happend in WW2. LOL
July 18th, 2007 at 8:00 am
“but the fact that most Pakistany disgust Mushraf, and they didn’t elect him, and I’m sure you know the story.”
Sorry to say you’re twisting things again mo, maybe he’s unelected, but the MAJORITY of pakis support him!!
He was getting a lot of criticism from ordinary people for NOT clamping down on the nutjobs in the red mosque!!
What sort of “holy men” allow the house of god to be used for storing huge quantities of guns and ammunition????
What sort of holy men allow their students to KIDNAP people off the streets and hold them prisoner???
Most pakis are horrified at the thought of sharia law, but don’t take MY word for it, just look at the various paki forums and blogs
July 18th, 2007 at 6:34 am
alcari,
By assuming you’re jumping to conclusions. You sound a to be
an atheist and an advocat for teroisim but I havent said
you’re eiter of these.
No you’re not correct about Marshal Aid. Countries that have
been on the “winning” side got none of it while Germany and
Japan did.
Keeping out of your country who you do’nt like is one thing
exporing terorisim is another thing.
When a sunni blows up a shiite house that is politics mixed
with religion. No religion invokes murder. It’s the
interpretation by fanatic religious leaders that instigate
hate and terorism with the illusion of finding vergins
waithg on the “other side”
alcari, I have my feelings about terorism and you have yours
I sincierly hope that you will never see what I have seen
after a terorist act.
July 18th, 2007 at 5:48 am
“”All in the name of God and Islam, with an “assurence” of a place in heaven. The Japanese suicide bombers had the same “illusion”.”"
Yes, so do the christians in Ireland and the whatevers in eastern Afrika, which is exactly why religion is a Bad Thing.
“”Don’t try to justify today’s terorism with what happend in WW2.”"
I’m not, I was merely pointing that the line between War and Terror depends compeltely on whose side you’re on.
“”Today’s terorism by islamic terorists is so indiscriminate that they are targeting every one including there own people.”"
That’s where you’re wrong. When a sunni blows up a shiite house, we see Iraqi killing Iraqi, but they don’t. When a catholic kills and Irish protestant, don’t see it as killing a countryman, but a different religion, which is another reason religion is a Bad Thing.
By (That’s you) I meant that the Americans are the occupational forces I mentioned. I asume you’re american from your name.
Last sidenote, the victor in WW2 did not pay for the damage, in fact, the aid (marshal plan) went from the US to the other allied nations.
July 18th, 2007 at 1:15 am
So now there are those that justify terorisim with the
escuse that it allready hppend in WW2. Yes the japasnese
acrried the attack on Purl Harbour. The Germans used the
V1 and V2 to bomb. This is only to mention 2 bloody episodes
in WW2. Can you compare today’s terotisim: The endless hijackings of ciivilian arcrafts. The case of the Achille Lauro back in 1985. The case of the Egept Air with the
murdering of the passengers one by one and to top up the
massacre, the incompitance of the Egiptian “storm troopers”
that killed most of the rest. Just to mention a few.
Don’t try to justify today’s terorism with what happend in
WW2, because there is a great difference. Today’s terorism
by islamic terorists is so indiscriminate that they are
targeting every one including there own people. All in the
name of God and Islam, with an “assurence” of a place in
heaven. The Japanese suicide bombers had the same
“illusion”.
The true objective of this thread is an example of islamic
terorism. Was there a justified reason for a few cartoons to
run havoc in the streets with people being killed ? Is’nt
the “fatua” on Salman Rushdie a form of terorism ?
I’m sure that somebody will do some comparisons, as the
mentioning of WW2. Hey, in WW2 the victor paid (in part) for
the damages. Will today’s terorist do the same. So far Libja
has, but we have to wait and see what comes out of the appeal.
Forgot to mention Lockerbie !!
Mo, it’s nice to know that you are against terorism. The
next thing is to participate in some anti terorist
manifestation (if it ever happens) like the ones againt the
Gulf war in the USA to mention an example. I have my doubts
if things like that ever happen is a muslim country.
July 17th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Stars,
I never encourged killing civilans, you are the one who keep accusing me that I’m terrorist, just for the fact that I crticized Mr Bush and questioned his intention and his doings.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Was the Blitz terrorism? How about the bombing of Dresden? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? And all of that is just WWII.
Civilian casualty is a sad part of every war. Deliberate attacks on civilian population are carried out to decrease morale. They are done by both sides of the conflict.
July 17th, 2007 at 6:28 am
NB.
“I disaprove of blowing up civilians, but I agree with the fact that, in Iraq at afganistan at least, the people have a right to defend their country against the foreign occupational forces (That’s you) any way they see fit.”
I have never mentioned Iraq or Afganistan. They definitly
have the right to keep whoever they don’t like out but I
don’t agree on murdering civilians intentionaly. That’s
terorisim !!
What do you mean when you say (That’s you) ??
July 17th, 2007 at 6:08 am
alcari, for me it makes no difference how in the Afgans and
Iranian defend their country. They could also murder each other on religios issues if the so wish, as in Iraq
You don’t need to remind me about WW2 I wasn’t born then
but I can judge who was fighting for freedom (the French
resistance). I never heard that the french hijacked arcrafts
and crashed them in places populated by civilians, or
suicide bombing in undergrounds.
If you prefair to put both tragedies (war and terorism) on
the same level well that’s up to you. I would’nt put terorisim between quotes, but then it’s a matter of opinion
not definition.
July 17th, 2007 at 5:27 am
Well duh, you’re asking for him to.
And, yes, that is a sad and failed against intimidation. *godwin’s law coming up* I probably need to remind you that the “terrorists” are using the exact same methods as french and russian resistance fighters used in WW2. The difference is that they were on the winning side, so they’re called “the resistance” instead of terrorists.
I disaprove of blowing up civilians, but I agree with the fact that, in Iraq at afganistan at least, the people have a right to defend their country against the foreign occupational forces (That’s you) any way they see fit.
Add to that the allready present religious violence between two native groups, and you get the current mess.
July 17th, 2007 at 1:21 am
Mo is short for Mohamed. The guy in Paki wanted an Islamic
state, like Iran I guess. Mixing state affares and religion
is not on. That is one reason for islasmic terorism.
Mo each time you are confronted with terorism you keep
mentioning the USA and GB. I’m sure you agree that there is
much more democracy in the West including these countries
than in all the Eastern countries.
I repeat that war is war and terorism is terorism. In war
you have a known enemy so you at least you know who you’re
fighting. In terorism you have an indiscriminating faceless
enemy. I’m almost sure that you’ll mention AGAIN the USA
and GB in your reply. lol
This is no intimidation. If you want my advice stop trying
to justify terorism. Remember that both the USA and GB are
on maximum alert against it.
July 16th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Man, it doesn’t matter how many died, I don’t know the guy, it’s possible he is liar, and I will agree that he is liar, but the fact that most Pakistany disgust Mushraf, and they didn’t elect him, and I’m sure you know the story.
It just makes you wonder, is USA there to spread democracy, and do you think supportinf dectator is a good message in the world, that Americans work hard to spread democracy.
The other thing what’s up with MO nick name :), actualy some people called me that in real life.
July 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
“I really don’t know the guy to give an opinon about him, I know that he died, but what was he doing, I had no idea.”
It’s quite simple really mo, 73 men died in the mosque, but saeed claimed that “hundreds of women and children died”, and thousands of people in lahore BELIEVED him.
The whole world can see that saeed is a FUCKING LIAR!!, like so many of islamic clerics
July 15th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Alcari,
Sorry for mentioning this facts, I really shouldn’t have said in 1st place, the purpose of it was to show that every nation and every country has something to be ashamed of.
I came back though and I oppolgized, I really hate this kind of dicussion, it’s not useful and doesn’t server any interest.
I’m really sorry if I offend any of you.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
“”Mo, war is war and terorism is terorism. “”
No it’s not. it depends who’s side you’re on. Nobody ever calls themselves a terrorist, just the other guy.
Also, stars, please drop the intimidation act, it’s sad, not getting you anywhere and so very descriptive of how the world sees the US.
now, mohamed
“”Fact#2, you claim that we are terrorist, but we havn’t been cowboys, steal money, at least the terrorists have a case to fight for, not stealing money.”"
#2.1 Cowboy keep cattle on their ground, is that illegal?
#2.2 Which country has the US robbed then?
#2.3 Everyone has a case to fight for, people just don’t agree with it.
“” Fact#3 70 years ago, you were slaving the hell out of the black American.”"
And it was socially completely accepted. 2000 years ago, your rolemodel prophet was having sex with a child, which you say is fine. Don’t apply double standards.
“”Fact#4 who the first used the nuclear weapon in a war killing 300000 people with no mercy”"
200.000 actaully, but that’s still horrible. Though the USA really didn’t start that war (unlike all the other ones) Also, they issued a very fair ultimatum to the japanese, along the lines of “Surrender, or we blow up a city” No surrender, so they did. Then a second ultimatum came, “Surrender or we do it again” Well, by that point, i’d say it was their own fault.
Ok, can we start the actual discussion now?
July 15th, 2007 at 3:26 am
I hate to be mean to anybody, so I’m sorry if I was mean to you, I’m sorry if I’m not going to answer you response.
I appolgize for the seconde time, you can see the world the way you like, it’s your life and you can do what ever you want.
I could fire back to you, but it’s not worth it.
July 15th, 2007 at 3:13 am
Mo, You are still living in the remote past and trying to
justify the horror your mates are doing.
You say:
“at least the terrorists have a case to fight for, not
stealing money.”
I hope that you are not in the USA planning terorism.
If you read the history books, you’ll know who was the
villan with the attack on Purl Harbour.
Mo, war is war and terorism is terorism. I repeat that you
are a hypocrite. You hate the US government but take it’s
mony.
July 15th, 2007 at 2:35 am
Are you for real, you make think that you live in trail in the middle of no where man.
Fact#1, this land is not for American, read history you will know how did you get this land, and not just history, you can see why you gov paying money for American Indian as compensation for what they did to them.
Fact#2, you claim that we are terrorist, but we havn’t been cowboys, steal money, at least the terrorists have a case to fight for, not stealing money.
Fact#3 70 years ago, you were slaving the hell out of the black American.
Fact#4 who the first used the nuclear weapon in a war killing 300000 people with no mercy
I really hate to mention these facts, but stupid people like you still living in the slavery age make me say those facts.
I could be stupid like you, but I understand that people could be better, could change, and yet you still living as a stupid.
July 15th, 2007 at 12:30 am
Mo, you’re right American people are not smart at all to
allow people like you and other terorists to live in the USA
So now you discover that no country is perfect. So now I ask
another question: Which in your expert political opinion is
the best country ??
You must be suffering from a mental confusion to think that
in the USA we fall on our knees in front of any body. That
happens in your country and other arab countries where you
have no choice of a democraticaly elected government.
Mo, you hate the administration but you like the “colour” of
it’s money. So again I think you’re a hypocrite
July 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Yo, check this out guys - this is what people do in the name of religion - all religions suck
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm
July 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
I meant fear from Usama Bin Laden and other terroirst, can’t you see when you precious president get in trouble, the Qaida comes out with new tape sacring Americans, and then Americans like you kneel down to Mr president and thank him for keep them alive.
You are right there is no perfect country, I’m just disappointed from American people, I thought when I was in Egypt that majority of Americans are really smart, but I found the opposite, I found people thinks that UN is a country and it’s number one enemy, I also found media isolate their country from what’s going on around the world, media cares about Paris Hilton more than people dying around the world.
I don’t hate USA, neither do alot of people in ME, most people in ME likes Ameircan, not USA gov, you should go somewhere in Egypt, Morroco, Tunisia, Emirates and other and see how people will receive you.
I know you like your country, but it seems to me that it takes over your objectivity.
Please keep the conversation civilzed, I will get your point without this childish words you are using.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:51 am
Mo, BTW, mention one country where you think is a perfect
place. Waiting for a a simple reply. Just the name of the
country !!
July 14th, 2007 at 11:43 am
Mo, you speak shit because you still think you’re in your
country.
How can you intimidate and put fear in people when there is
a multi party election. You are still with the mentality of
dictatorship as it is in your country.
If you have discoverd that Mr. president does “whatever he
likes”, go to Iran I’m sure you’ll be happy there.
July 14th, 2007 at 11:39 am
Infidel,
I really don’t know the guy to give an opinon about him, I know that he died, but what was he doing, I had no idea.
All I know that Mushraf the president now, was the defense minister, and he use the army to get rid of the previous president, and that how he become a president, and he is supported by USA, so it makes doubt the intention of USA, and the lies they talk about spreading democracy, like in Egypt they support Hussni Mubark too, and he is freaking corrupt and he fakes the election every time, he wins by %98, and nobody goes to the election, because it’s BS, and USA gov knows that, yet they support him.