Muhammed Caricatures
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
UPDATE Feb 4, 2006: MUSLIM RESPONSE IS HERE
Here is a permanent home for the 12 Muhammed caricatures that were printed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten. If you don’t have a sense of humor then leave. They are just cartoons and nothing more. Comments will be enabled on here so please feel free to leave them. Keep it civil and please don’t storm my website with RPGs and machine guns. Oh, flag burning is unacceptable aswell. But feel free to boycot my site as that is a peaceful means of protest.
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
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January 6th, 2009 at 10:54 am
bunlar? çizenin am?na koyuyum
January 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
And also this will help you to see the facts, the site of American Educational Trust, a non-profit foundation incorporated in Washington:
http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/remember2008.html
January 6th, 2009 at 10:30 am
This site which tells the truth is just for you, rucker, and not published by Hamas but an American journalist:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
January 5th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
From The Spectator:
Palestinian Media Watch has reprinted a speech made by Fathi Hamad, one of the top Hamas leaders, on the movement’s own Al-Aqsa television station from February 29, 2008. He stated:
‘For the Palestinian people death became an industry, at which women excel and so do all people on this land: the elderly excel, the Jihad fighters excel, and the children excel. Accordingly [Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, the elderly and the Jihad fighters against the Zionist bombing machine, as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: “We desire death as you desire life.”’
That’s why they use their own people as human shields;
for the goal of radical Islamism is not to exalt its people–Palestinians or Muslims, as such–but to implement God’s will. God is above the people. And the deity must be served no matter how many of the people, even Muslims, die or suffer. Thus we see the massive bloodshed in the Algerian civil war and the terrorist attacks against other Muslims in places like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Even an anti-Israel demonstration in Iraq was hit by a suicide bomber recently.
Thus, there is this tireless emphasis on martyrdom, and people can be martyred even if they don’t choose that for themselves. What is startling — and like so many significant facts gone unnoticed in much of the world — is that Hamas never had any program for social development, quality education, improved health, or anything else but warfare for the Gaza Strip. Its only concern was to wage a war of extermination on Israel, no matter how much time and how many lives it cost.
January 5th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Muslim - you misunderstood my post, but let me respond to what you said:
The sad truth that seems to be emerging is that the “real islam” is just like Muslim woman. She is reasonable and friendly and compassionate - UNTIL you mention those filthy Joos. So the whole muslim world is weeping and moaning about Gaza while ignoring the murdered black Africans in Darfur (showing that muslims are plenty racist) and the murdering sunnis and shias killing each other in Iraq. And there’s nothing about all the other people from all over teh world that muslims are killing everyday over imagined grievances. Now it is true a Lebanese muslims cleric has recently tried to heal the sunni/shia rift, but he has done so by urging them to unite in the effort to…KILL JOOS. Yes, it’s to bad, but Muslim woman does seem to be the typical non-terrorist muslim.
January 5th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Wow - it looks as if hamas is watching Religious Freaks and wants to make sure that we know they support the murder of children. (from Jihadwatch.com)
Behold the brazen hypocrisy: Hamas launches attacks from civilian areas and uses children as human shields, and then uses the deaths of Palestinian children to justify murdering Jewish children anywhere in the world. And the world yawns and issues another condemnation of Israel.
“Hamas: Israel has legitimised the killing of its children,” by James Hider in the Times, January 5 (thanks to all who sent this in):
As fighting intensified on the northern outskirts of Gaza City today, a top Hamas leader broke cover to warn Israel that the Islamists would kill Jewish children anywhere in the world in revenge for their own young who have died in the devastating assault.
“They have legitimised the murder of their own children by killing the children of Palestine,” said Mahmoud Zahar, in a televised broadcast recorded at a secret location. “They have legitimised the killing of their people all over the world by killing our people.”
But France’s Sarkozy shows that he is not entirely a lost cause:
Mr Sarkozy quickly ran foul of Hamas though when he said it must bear most of the blame for the increasingly miserable plight of the 1.5 million Gazans it rules over.
“Hamas acted in an irresponsible and unforgiveable manner… Hamas is to blame for the suffering of the Palestinians,” he said. A Hamas spokesman quickly accused the French leader of “total bias” towards Israel.”
January 5th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I’m a muslim.(and I’m not from Turkey) I know many Muslims & all of them (except one or two) behave like Muslim Woman.Why do you say Muslim Woman is not a usual muslim?
People you see in those newspapers or TV news are special muslims.
It’s obvious that noone shows usual people on news!
You should come to Islamic countries & see what’s real Islam.
January 5th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Here’s a good article on the truth and morality of what is happening in Gaza and Israel.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3204131/the-moral-battleground.thtml
January 5th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
I forgot to mention in my post (3589) about the hamas covenant that the hadith they quote is the hadith that Muslim woman assured us no true muslims believe in. Apparently she is wrong about that.
January 5th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Muslim woman also asks if I believe that 100 gazan children have been killed in the war.
I have not seen that figure anywhere else, so all I can say is, whether or not I believe it would depend on who was reporting it. Because if hamas is the one saying it, I have to have serious doubts for a couple of reasons: We know because it has been proven that hamas et al frequently fake deaths or stage scenes to look as if children and others have been killed. Secondly, we know that islam allows and even recommends lying to non-muslims to protect islam and advance its expansionist and supremist ideology and agenda.
The same goes for the “humanitarian crisis” that is supposedly going on. Only hamas and its running dogs are saying there is a crisis. More honest sources say that any crisis is due to hamas refusing to distribute the aid that Israel is sending and allowing in. And let’s not forget that Gaza shares a border with Egypt also. So why are the Egyptians (muslims) not sending aid? And why haven’t the Arab nations or any other islamic nations started an airlift to help the “starving” gazans such as the USA did for East Germans during the Cold War?
January 5th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
So Muslim woman, I have many questions and thoughts about our conversation, and I don’t care if you answer or not - actually, you have not answered most of our questions and observations, so what difference would it make? You are already on record here as a typical “moderate” muslim. And we find over and over that if you scratch a “moderate” muslim, you find a Joo-hating muslim underneath, at the very least. Even Muslimboy, when we got right down to it, resorted to watered-down threats (such as when he told me our criticsm of islam would just create more violent muslims, which is what muslims so often tell us: If you keep saying islam is violent, we are going to kill you.) But I have not given up on finding a truly moderate muslim, despite your insistance that I am just prejudiced.
But here’s an easy one to ask and answer: Are you Turks mourning the dead black muslims in Darfur? (Killed by their fellow muslims.)I have seen no response in the muslim world to that true genocide, though it’s easy enough for muslims to turn out to protest cartoons. And further, are you Turks mourning the murders by muslims of Buddhists in Thailand? The murders of non-muslims in the Phillipines? In short, are you mourning anyone but dead gazans whose leadership has made sure that gazans of all ages will continue to die (by hiding behind them when the IDF defends Israel)so that Israeli/Jewish deaths can continue until they are all wiped off the face of the earth.
If not, then it is you who actually cares only about your own kind.
January 5th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
“–The Hamas founding covenant explicitly calls for the extermination of all Jews. Hitler never made total extermination an official plank of the the Nazi party platform. (see Holocaust scholar Omar Bartov’s article in the February 2, 2004 issue of The New Republic. He points to the extermiationist 7th article of the founding Hamas covenanat which cites the Hadith (saying of the prophet). Here is a translation of the Hadith in a deeply disturbing summary of Hamas’ exterminationist anti-semitism by the Brown University scholar Andrew Bostom:
“The Prophet, Allah’s prayer and peace be upon him, says: “The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,’ except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 6985)
In other words, Hamas is not committed merely to the political goal of expelling Jews from the land of Israel but to what they believe is a sacred religious goal of exterminating all Jews everywhere behind every tree in creation.”
from ronrosenbaum.com
January 5th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
VAY ANASI KAHPELER B?Z S?Z?N ?SA N?ZLA MUSA NIZLA DALGA GEÇ?YORMUYUZ ONUN BUNUN ÇOCUKLARI YEZ?T DÖLLER? NE OLACAK
LA ?LAHE ?LLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH AL?YÜL VEL?YYULLAH
January 5th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Muslim woman - you miss the point. I care about children on both sides. You care only about muslim children and ignore the savage behavior of their elders and the children they kill. That is typically muslim.
January 5th, 2009 at 2:18 am
One only has to read a handful of the vitriolic, hate-filled call-to-violence passages in the Koran to have a picture of why Islam poses the single biggest threat to human civilisation.
I used to believe that Muslims were copping unfair criticism by the west (and christians) until i actually read some of the Koran - that alone changed my perspective on things.
Its truly a vile, poisonous text and accordingly, I cant help but view all Muslims (as opposed to Arabs) with a sense of suspicion - how can you trust anyone who’s religion tells them to believe that the rest of the 85% of the worlds population is utter shite and deserves nothing else but death?
for the record - Judaism and Christianity dont feature too high on my ‘respect’ list either.
January 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
what is the difference?
the password gang knows where i stand, i stand on “The Rock” and in the beginning it was already spoken of who this is.
what is the difference between a home-made bomb and a million dollar bomb? for we all have missed the mark, we have all fallen short of the Glory of God.
“God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.”
i spew not in myself but in our Lord.
January 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Fake children corpses? Are you sure? Don’t you believe that almost 100 children were killed there in 8 days? Of course, no problem as long as these children are not yours… And gazans are blood-soaked animals, pigs to be exact? In fact, you must confess that this is already what you feel for all the muslims in the world.
It’s obvious that we can never take the middle course with you. So going on discussing is only a waste of time both for you and me. Your hearts are full of so much hatred that even if 1000 muslims come here to discuss you, nothing changes as you’ve already made your decision about us.
Sorry but cruel critiques about gazans are not something I can endure while we Turks are mourning for them indeed, while the views of the corpses on the TV or in the newspaper really touch my heart everyday. If I endure, then I will be betrayed both gazans and Turks. So no comment from me anymore. I’ve come to a point where I can’t find anything to say. Everything is meaningless now.
January 4th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Thanks, Infidel, for responding to Muslim woman’s post. I knew exactly what she would say, and then she said it. Jewish children do not matter. Jewish children are fit only to be killed.
She blames this on their parents and other adults. Is she unaware of the children’s program in Gaza that teaches children to hate and kill and commit suicide? She can start learning here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024213.php#comments Talk about teaching hatred to children - the gazans and hamas have no equal.
Muslim woman and all the other muslims posting here, I suggest you start reading jihadwatch.com and http://www.memritv.org/ to see what your fellow muslims are up to. Then I suggest you start posting on all the hate-filled, jihadist sites all over the internet that advocate all those things you say islam does not approve of.
And you, infidel, pointed out that most of those killed in gaza were terrorists. Also you could mention that hamas members have recently (again) bragged that they love death, have made death an industry, and have called women and children and the elderly to surround the terrorist leaders as human shields. They know those women and children may be killed, but that is what they actually want so they can continue to pretend that it is the Jooooos and not they that are murderers and the roadblock on the road to peace. Let’s face it, what this is all about is killing Jews. An if no children are killed, we know that they will fake children being killed, just as they gave faked so many other “atrocities”.
There is not honor or morality among the gazans or hamas. They are blood-soaked animals; pigs to be exact.
January 4th, 2009 at 11:36 am
“Hamas’s home-made rockets have killed just 20 Israelis in eight years,”
OH, so that’s ok is it??
“but a day-long blitz by Israeli aircraft that kills almost 300 Palestinians is just par for the course.”
you forgot to mention that 250 of those were hamas terrorists!!
“The israeli children are being grown up by hatred and aiming zionism.”
And the palestinian children danced in the streets when 3′000 americans died on 9-11.
And take a look at the pictures of muslim children being dressed up in toy bomb belts and being taught in school to hate israel.
Your co-religionists have committed far worse atrocities than any israeli or westerner!!
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:20 am
“Hamas’s home-made rockets have killed just 20 Israelis in eight years, but a day-long blitz by Israeli aircraft that kills almost 300 Palestinians is just par for the course.”
“By last night, the exchange rate stood at 296 Palestinians dead for one dead Israeli.”
rucker, please read this to see why I don’t need to feel sorrow for the israelis:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-leaders-lie-civilians-die-and-lessons-of-history-are-ignored-1215045.html
And… The israeli children are being grown up by hatred and aiming zionism. Look what they have written on the bullets in 2006: “Dear Lebanese, Palestinian, Muslim, Arabian children, with love for your death, die with love, signature: israeli children”. They have sent these bullets as presents! But in fact the elders are guilty, not the children, as they have spoiled them. I would never let my child do such a thing if I was instead of these parents or soldiers. You had said once that “free speech” is very important for Americans. What’s this now, “free speech, latitude of thought, etc.”? Maybe these children have used their “free speech right” by expessing the feelings in their hearts honestly!
http://israil.wordpress.com/category/israilli-cocuklarin-filistinli-cocuklara-gonderdigi-hediyeler/
January 3rd, 2009 at 8:25 am
My sister has told me a lot about lebanon and the cedar tree.
http://www.actforamerica.org
January 2nd, 2009 at 8:14 am
yes i actually just returned from a lecture in the mosque that talked about the recent events in gaza.. and by the end of the night not only were we mourning for those lost in gaza but also for the many israelian’s who have passed.
we are also taught to respect everybody and every religion, just as we are free to believe in our faith so should other people. we are taught to not be racist and never hold anything against anyone. the events taking place between muslims and jews shouldnt effect us here and make us take our actions with the Jews living in Australia.
this isnt bullshit .. im not saying this just to make a point, its true.
you see maybe because where i am, my country Australia, is such a peaceful and happy place to be im not used to conversations like these.. so im not familiar with how to respond and yes your right the negativity we receive is from the action of our fellow muslims but my point still
remains.. should we all get paid out for their actions ???
and in response to ‘islam teaches violence’ that couldnt be even further more than the truth. statements like this makes me angry because who are you to say this? what evidence do you have ? hadiths from our quran?? as i have mentioned before they are translated into many different truths
please dont say things like that.. islam is a enormus religion and im positive that you are only aware of aspects of it. you are not a muslim therefore you do not know the religion of islam as a muslim does. islam does not teach violence.
can i just ask however .. if you were to be confronted by a muslim in the street from wherever you may be .. how would you respond? would fake a smile and greet them? maybe reluctantly smile?
if i ever meet a person like you in this country i would make them come to lectures with me and prove to them islam is a beautiful religion if it wasnt then why are so many people converting to our religion? why are so many women around the world wearing the hijab? every year thousands.. millions visit mecca.. is this religion bad? bad enough that millions and millions follow it? endless copies of our quran are sold to non muslims..
maybe its just the country i live in .. Australia
if so.. i never want to leave!
January 1st, 2009 at 8:38 pm
So Muslim woman, as far as I am concerned, your silence in response to my question puts you on record as not caring that Israeli children are killed by hamas.
January 1st, 2009 at 8:36 pm
I have nothing against you for being young, Houdahh. I do have to point out a couple of things about your post though.
You said “i am aware of the negativity placed on my religion” . I hope you mean the negativity muslims place on it by acting out the violence contained in it. One of the things that is so irritating about so many muslims is that when a muslim murders people, and other people report on that murder and show that he was motivated by jihad, then muslims rise up screaming that the REPORTER is to blame for islam’s bad reputation. Let me say it again, muslims are constantly saying that the person who points out muslim terrorism is responsible for the bad image of islam in the world. Don’t you see what is wrong with that? So the muslim solution to islam’s bad reputation is to try to shut us up - as the OIC has been trying to do at the UN for the past year or so. What muslims have to realize is that the bad image islam has is because of muslims, not non-muslims.
You said “so can you imagine how 6 and 7 year old children feel? if any thing people like you are pushing them to hate people who critise their religion and this is where the ‘bad muslims’ come from.” Again, you are blaming muslim violence on non-muslims. This story is so old and tiresome. As you grow older, perhaps you will come to see that the person who commits a crime is the person who is solely and completely responsible for that crime - not someone else, no matter how provocative.
And again, muslims, good or bad, come from islam. islam teaches violence, just as Christianity does, except Christians ignore the violent stuff and try to live the peaceful part. Many - millions - muslims preach and live and believe in the violent parts of islam. That’s the problem.
Time for ALL muslims to grow up and take responsibility for what muslims do. For example, it doesn’t seem too hard to get muslims out in support of hamas murderers, but where are the muslims protesting the murders in Darfur? Or Thailand? Or the Phillipines? Or Afghanistan? England? Europe in general? Where are the fatwas against bin-laden and the hamas murderers? Where is the fatwa against sending rockets into civilian populations in Israel - we’re always told islam forbids the killing of innocent people. Yet when a muslim recently broke into an Israeli school and murdered several boys that were your age, nothing from the good, peaceful muslims. Where are the muslims protesting anything that the so-called hijackers of islam do?
Tell me, Houdahh, what is said in your mosque about Jews, Christians, muslim terrorists, Israel etc.? Can you give us some hope that at least in your corner of the world there is a muslim congregation doing something about islamic terrorism. Can you let us know that your congregation has demonstrated against muslim terrorist acts?
January 1st, 2009 at 2:28 am
so you admit there are good muslims?
well then if you firmly believe that some terorist os goin to blow himself up in a major cit and yea whatever else you just said then yea thats fine .. i always think when is the next act or terror going to be commited by a muslim .. not in a joyful sense obviously
your right the good muslims cant change the bad ones.. so dont pay out all muslims because of a small portion of us
and yes i am only 15 there is no reason to lie about that if anything it would make me look little and unworthy of having a serious conversation with like you said.. i mentioned my age to prove that i although i am young i am aware of the negativity placed on my religion
so can you imagine how 6 and 7 year old children feel? if any thing people like you are pushing them to hate people who critise their religion and this is where the ‘bad muslims’ come from.
anyways i dont expect a reply its ok enough has been said
happy holidays :)
December 31st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Houdahh,
The problem is, the good muslims can’t control the terrorist muslims, so the west and israel has to do it for you!!!!
December 31st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Houdahh - I am going to take your word that you are only 15 years old, even if I am taking it reluctantly because of the many lies muslims have told on this site. But I will take your word, and so I want to take time to write you a good response - unfortunately, this still being the Christmas/New Year’s season, I am very busy. So give me a minute.
But one short answer to why I am so angry at muslims: I firmly believe that there is a very, very high liklihood that one or several of you are going to be the death of us all by detonating a nuclear device in some major city. You should be worried about that too as you too will die, and regardless of your beliefs that will be the end of you: no paradise, no afterlife, no allah, no mohammed (or Jesus or Buddha for that matter).
December 31st, 2008 at 12:45 am
rucker
yes i am aware of how many people quote hadiths from the quran before they blow themselves up believing their actions are right and neccassry in the religion of islam .. this anger me and sickens me deeply and i undersatdn the impact this has on the wider population of muslims
however i dont understand why i am not worth talking to? why turn so agressive towards me.. am i being aggressive to you?? i am just trying to create a mutual understanding between two people.. obviously i have failed i realise that you refuse to see what i am saying
in my defence cani just say i am only 15 and still learning about my religion however everything i have learnt to this day has never caused any doubt in my mind. i love my religon and i love to preach about it.
those muslims that blow themselves up preach about my religion in the wrong way and i am disgusted by their acts just as much as anyone else. september 11 was a time of mourning and grief for me .. not celebatory and joyful.
i am a muslim however i am australian, lebanese and french and the poeple i am surrounded with everyday have never said anything negatve towards my religion, i was appaled when i entered this site and i felt the urge to leave a comment expressing my thoughts.
i pray that one day you come to realise that islam isnt wrong bad or whatever else you may think.. and if you dont then thats ok. i cant make a difference i kno that.
your opinion which is reffered to you as ‘facts’ has no solid evidence and if you use our quran as one .. the quran can be interpreted into many different truths.
single minded people like yourself become consumed and use their negativity to interpret everything into how you believe things to actually be.
im not being mean or anything.. i just want to understand why?
your entitled to your beliefs and faith.. so are muslims and any other religon .. why cant you just let us be ?
might i just add that muslims have many different categories within them sunni shia alwaie etc etc
we are all different however the source that connects us all togther is allah
i think that with every religion god is central.. its how we got there that differs
so i will not reply to any comments you write.. because i dont want conflict dont think of me as a typical muslim.. because thats far from the truth .. my life is far from religious but i stay true to my faith
December 30th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
“Disturbing photographs made available to this newspapers by police sources indicate that several of the guests at the Taj Mahal Hotel during the siege November 26 were sexually humiliated by the terrorists and then shot dead. Police sources confirm that even as the terrorists were engaged in a fierce combat with NSG commandos, they were humiliating their hostages before ending their terrifying ordeal[...]“Even the Rabbi and his wife at Nariman House were sexually assaulted and their genitalia mutilated,” said a senior officer of the investigating team, not wishing to be quoted.”
Poor misunderstood muslims, the victims of so many unfounded opinions. (They sure seem to like slicing up genitals, eh?) Do you think these particular murdering muslims were just upset with the joos because of their opinion, after 1400 years of being murdered by muslims, that islam and muslims mean nothing but trouble. All one needs to do is look around the world to see that everywhere muslims reach a certain level of population, the killing begins.
December 30th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Houdahh - Are you kidding me? Are you unaware of the hundreds of verses in the koran that command killing (or subduing) non-muslims? The hundreds of items from the hadith that are about killing and maiming? And the fact that muslim terrorists use these as justification for their murders. THEY justify my belief that islam is a religion of violence first and foremost. Don’t try to dismiss me by calling that fact an “opinion”. This is not an “opinion” - this is the truth.
But you, I see, are a typical muslim unable to admit the hatefulness of islam and willing to deny what we see in the news every single day - if you are, perhaps you should listen to what muslim terrorists have to say. They ALL quote islamic texts and traditions. It is the terrorists who first showed us all that islam is full of hatred and murder, and they did so by referring to long-standing islamic tradition and belief. Can you quote me even ONE peaceful tradition in islam? No, never mind. Go away, you are not a serious person worth talking to.
December 30th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
rucker -
i guess everyone is entitled to their opinion but remember just because you believe islam is a religion of violence and the source of evil.. without any justification with your belief .. it doesnt necessarily mean the wider population should agree with you
December 30th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Some important questions from thereligionofpeace.com (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Gaza-Bombing.htm)regarding the “massacre” and “genocide” against the gazans.
Here it is copied and pasted also:
If you are writing to complain about Israel and the recent bombing of Gaza (following the Hamas cease-fire annulment and deadly rocket barrage by Palestinians) and you want to be taken seriously by our editor, then consider prefacing your comments with answers to these nine questions:
What do you think Hamas was trying to hit with those 300 rockets fired at population centers in the week prior to the Israeli response?
Do you recall the detailed warning that Israel issued for Hamas to end the barrage? (If not, then here’s a refresher).
What is the number of rockets that Israel is authorized to fire in retaliation for the 300?
If Palestinians are so deprived and desperate for food, how do they afford such expensive weaponry?
How many Palestinians have starved to death in the last 40 years? (Hint: zero)
Do you know that Gazans share a border with Egypt and aren’t dependent on Israel for aid?
What has Hamas accomplished so far by provoking war?
(This one is for Muslims only, particularly those who have recently discovered the word, “disproportionate”) How many Muslims were killed by the Jews of Qurayza? (Hint: zero). How many Qurayza Jews did Muhammad behead in the name of “self-defense?” (Hint: 800).
(Most important) Is the complete absence of Muslim outrage over the true genocide of 300,000 Darfuri Africans since 2003 more because the victims aren’t Arab or because their killers are?
December 30th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Muslim woman: You say “I also want to expess my deep sorrow for the innocent civil people, especially the children being killed in Gaza.”
What abvout the innocent Israeli civilians, including children, that gazans are klling with their rockets? ? Do you have any sorrow for them? After all, the Israelis try to avoid killing civilians while the muslim terrorist set out to deliberately kill children,while gazans celebrate their cold blooded murder as islamic.
by the way, back before Christmas, you rejected Abu Huraira’s words as unreliable: “Besides Abu Huraira’s narrations are superstitions which include contradictions” - Of course this is also true of the koran, but you believe it, right? But the real point is that the tradition is given by Bukhari who is considered one of the most reliable sources for islam, and Huraira himself is widely held to be nearly infallible because of his astonishing memory. So, again, while you might reject the teaching, tens of millions of muslims do not.
December 30th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Houdahh - You say: “but the point i still want to make is that should the entire muslims population need to be critised and put down on their actions?”
you provide part of the answer later in your same post when you say: “and please remember the religion of islam has always been a peaceful one its the action of modern extremists that have ruined and shamed our religion”
Anyone who can read knows this to be completely false and can prove that it is completely false. And your statement is echoed over and over and over and over by other muslims trying to cover up the fact that islam is the problem and has been since mohammend ordered his first massacre. When you and so many (maybe all) muslims make statements like this (that are false), you are in collusion with terrorists, and so we hold you equally responsible for the murders committed by muslims and justified by islamic teachings because you are trying to hide the real source of muslim violence: islam.
December 30th, 2008 at 9:04 am
to infidel
yes they are some people out ther that commite horrible crimes like the ones yu have mentioned .. and are in fact caused by muslims .. but the point i still want to make is that should the entire muslims population need to be critised and put down on their actions?
i am a muslim and its only natural i defend my religion and of course its understandable why these people form these perceptions of us.. but we are not all as you make us out to be ..
like i am a muslim.. am i coming across as a terrorist that wants to blow you up for saying negative things about my religion? no im just trying to create a mutual understanding
and please remember the religion of islam has always been a peaceful one its the action of modern extremists that have ruined and shamed our religion
December 30th, 2008 at 8:47 am
I agree “houdah”…
I also want to expess my deep sorrow for the innocent civil people, especially the children being killed in Gaza. Living here without being able to do anyhing to stop this massacre is really bitter. But they have to know that we Turks share their pain indeed. Our prime minister will try to pacify and I hope he can manage. Tomorrow night we’ll celebrate the new year’s coming but it’ll be a bitter celebration. Even the celebrations at the squares have been avoided because of the mourning.
Still let me say “Happy new year,everybody”…
December 30th, 2008 at 8:08 am
you cow
December 29th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Houdah,”our religion as an extreme violent and bloodthirsty one but do we all have to be put down for the actions of some foolish people?”
What are talking about man? foolish people. why do continue to send your children to death? stop you foolish people. blame me for the foolish things that the selfishness that is in us and you Muslims that believe in the false in your paradise you preach about. I tell you man- STOP! if my words are offensive to you - i am happy because you can’t see the love that Jesus Christ is about. I am sickened by the deaths of the children in Gaza and Israel.
If you say that a suicide bomber(dies) kills innocent people and a death of a child taken by a country who bombs them and say that “PARADISE IS AT HAND” for the suicide bomber - what then to you say about the paradise of the children that die???? Why do you mourn for them when you say paradise at hand?????? I tell you people, don’t stop the children from seeing the truth in Jesus Christ for they are loved by My Father who you persecute.
these people do not see the truth in TheOnlyMessiah of this world that is Jesus Christ- ALONE!
In the Gospel of my Father, Matt 19:14-15
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heavenAnd he laid [his] hands on them, and departed thence.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
“we all get along perfectly fine.. why cant the rest of the world be like that??”
Because muslims the world over have some nasty habits, like flying planes into buildings, cutting innocent people’s heads off on video,firing rockets at jews, using children for suicide bombs, planting car bombs, circumcising girls, terrorising other religions, etc,etc,etc.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:45 am
i really dont understand these people.. does it really satisfy you putting down others for the faith they believe in? why contentment do you get out of it… can you not accept the fact that we are all unique individuals each with our own beliefs? yes islam is a controversial topic and yea theyre are a few bastards out there preaching our religion as an extreme violent and bloodthirsty one but do we all have to be put down for the actions of some foolish people?
i think that if anything the responses such as the ones here.. are making people like myself angry and confused as to where all this hatred comes from?
so before i end this comment.. i ask of you one thing..
before you say a racist or negative thing about muslims. .tell me how many have done anything personally to you? maybe one or two? but are they to account for the entire population of muslims.. ?? theyre are many decent ones out there.. but you single minded people refuse to wake to this reality and instead consume your free time with the idea that all muslims are terrorists.. i still however dont understand what you get out of it…
i am a muslim.. however none of my friends are
i have
christian
jewish
atheist
and
cathlic friends .. and we all get along perfectly fine.. why cant the rest of the world be like that??
December 29th, 2008 at 7:31 am
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December 29th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Fuck You
December 29th, 2008 at 5:55 am
being muslim , m shokd n 1st time i c this stupidity of danish evil cartoonist.
some people like this, i think they r gothic.
If musa, Isa, r prophets, Muhammad is also a prophet. any1 who beleive relegion must know the respect of other relegions as muslims beleive this freedom of living lives.
we beleive Prphet Muhammad and his kindness.
ashamed all you people who like these scatches.
December 29th, 2008 at 12:54 am
Good old israel!!!!!!!!!!!
About time you gave those hamas bastards a good hiding.
December 24th, 2008 at 1:32 am
Merry Christmas raghead terrorists, watch the sky tonight, it won’t be santa claus coming down your chimneys, but hellfire missiles courtesy of Uncle Sam, hehehehehe
December 17th, 2008 at 11:26 am
ekbar, you raghead idiot, why don’t you go and fuck some goats or something.
December 16th, 2008 at 7:52 am
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December 16th, 2008 at 7:33 am
ALLAHIM SEN B?Z? KÖTÜLÜKLERDEN KORU BU KAR?KATÜRLER? Ç?ZEN ?N?ALLAH CEHENEME G?DER VE ORDA BÜYÜK B? AZAB GÖRÜR LÜTFEN KÜFÜR ETMEY?N AMA BEDUA OKUYUN B?Z KÜFÜR EDERSEK OLMAZK? BUNLARRA KÜFÜR B?LE AZ GEL?R
December 15th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
NO!
December 15th, 2008 at 5:37 am
you are really stupid danish!
if you would know the truth about islam!
Pray for God to forgive you!
December 12th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Muslim Woman - I wrote a response to you yesterday but it seems to disappeared into the ether. I will redo it later.
December 12th, 2008 at 6:49 am
hyrocket - It’s a surprise for me to meet a christian (instead of an atheist) on this forum. The things written on the link you’ve given seem to be right. The differences between islam and christianity have been summarized well. I already know these as I’ve read the Bible before. You say Jesus is the only way to God in Heaven but we already respect Jesus,too as I’ve said this many times before. And the Quran, accepting all the prophets and holy books says that it didn’t come to deny the past prophets and the holy books, on the contrary to be an attendance for them.
Besides you ask, why Abu Huraira’s narrations are unvaluable while he’s my brother. Who says he’s my brother? We don’t have “brothers” or “sisters” in islam. We only have Allah and Prophet Mohammed. The past prophets and the holy books are respected, too. That’s all. We don’t have anybody else to be worshipped. Besides Abu Huraira’s narrations are superstitions which include contradictions so that they cause christians, jews and atheists to suspect muslims today and moreover terrorists to follow these words by taking them seriously. However these are my personal opinions which never commit other muslims.
If I was born in a christian society, I would certainly become a christian as I consider it another respectable religion. But what does it matter? We worship the same God already. In fact the most important thing in life is believing in something. Because it’s hard to live without believing anything as belief is a need (at least for me). If God is only one, it doesn’t matter very much which religion you belong to.
Being a liberal, I will advise you to let atheists, muslims, christians and jews live however as wish by respecting all of them as it’s no use to try to change people.
December 12th, 2008 at 2:47 am
post 3546
you say that,
“Jesus, Musa and the other prophets are Allah’s prophets, too. The Bible and Torah are Allah’s holy books, too.”
What if i told you that the Prophet Mohammed was blinded by the spirit of the anti-christ and the things of this world would be given unto him, if he followed with his heart that all this would been given to you.
Here is a website that you can read and I hope you read and take to heart that Jesus is the only way to OUR Father in Heaven and it is not by works that we can boast.
IJHN1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
http://www.moriel.org/articles/discernment/islam/table_of_truth.htm
“But I don’t believe in Abu Huraira’s narrations as they are not valuable. He was a poor man serving Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)for his keep. He has been together with him for only 1 year and 9 months.”
Why are is narrations less valuable since he is your brother?
December 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
“Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah ’s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”
Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 52″
If this was a verse from the Quran, OK, you’re right. But I don’t believe in Abu Huraira’s narrations as they are not valuable. He was a poor man serving Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)for his keep. He has been together with him for only 1 year and 9 months. Here is an article about him telling why his narrations are unvaluable but unfortunately in Turkish:
http://www.hanifdostlar.net/hanifnet/akik/hureyre1.htm
Abu Huraira narrated …. Where do you know that Prophet Mohammed has really said so? How can you be so sure? Were you near them while he was saying this? Maybe Abu Huraira faked this up.
In fact such things can never be the Quran’s or Prophet Mohammed’s words.Because it’s written in the Quran clearly that “There’s no compulsion in religion affairs.” So Prophet Mohammed never says this.
“And further, please talk about the idea that the end day cannot come until muslims kill all Jews so that rocks and trees will call out to come kill the Jews hiding behind them.”
These are Abu Huraira’s narrations, too. None of these are written in the Quran. I don’t take them seriously. Even if this had been really said, then the war of muslims with jews had been meant which is expected to happen (maybe hundreds years later) before the doomsday as one of the little signs of it. But this is an expected WAR. I looked at the Turkish sources and they are all saying “muslims-jews war”. It’s written that muslims and jews will make a war and in that war rocks and trees will begin to speak: “Come here muslim, there’s a jews hiding behind me. Come and kill him.” And at the end, muslims will win the war.
Who says this? Abu Huraira. He narrates that Prophet Mohammed has said so. Even if he has said, he has meant the war conditions.
A muslim is a person who believes that God certainly exists and accepts that there’s only one God, that God is Allah, Mohammed is Allah’s vassal and prophet. Jesus, Musa and the other prophets are Allah’s prophets, too. The Bible and Torah are Allah’s holy books, too. A muslim is a person who says the shahada words: “I testify that there’s no deity (God) except Allah and I also testify that Mohammed is Allah’s vassal and prophet.”
This is enough to be a muslim. We don’t need to believe in Abu Huraira’s narrations. Prophet Mohammed has’nt even made his hadiths written as he has wanted muslims to follow only the Quran’s words.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Muslim woman-
First, Korgan is right - it is ALL islam - your islam and bin-laden’s islam are the same religion. That is proven by the fact that you both quote the same sources. So your islam is violent also, you just don’t follow those commands. Who is a muslim? ANYONE who says that there is one god, that god is allah, and mohammed is his prophet. You both have spoken the shahadah, right? And isn’t that all it takes to be a muslim? So you both are muslims. And everyone who has spoken the shahadah is a muslim, and I am pretty sure that all the terrorists have spoken the shahadah.
Second: You miss the point about the article I posted about Sumbul Ali-Karamali. She has written a book that is designed to deceive non-muslims. The article took 10 or so of her untrue points and showed how they were untrue, that islam teaches the opposite. This is one of the things that drive us nuts about muslims: You say things that are easy to disprove and then ignore us when we disprove them. You, for example, have actually ignored every direct question we have asked.
In my post 3535 I asked a direct question that you have not answered. Here it is again:
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah ’s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”
Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 52
I see no mention of war there, do you? Can you explain how that tradition, which is central to islam, is not about making unprovoked war on non-muslims.
And further, please talk about the idea that the end day cannot come until muslims kill all Jews so that rocks and trees will call out to come kill the Jews hiding behind them.
If you do not answer these questions SPECIFICALLY then I do not see why I should continue to talk to you. I hate to say that because I keep hoping you will be different.
December 9th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Muslim woman, I think you are getting nearer and nearer to getting one of Rucker’s central points, but aren’t quite accepting of it yet:
It has been demonstrated that violence exists in Islam, and that it has been prescribed in the Koran. You seem to be accepting of that. You also correctly observe that passages of the Koran effectively oppose the same violence that other passages prescribe. What that means is that there are fundamental contradictions within Islam and within the Koran. The view that the Koran is the perfect word of god also seems to be a major tenet, yet supposed perfection of the Koran has now been effectively argued against here.
You’ve said,
but it seems clear that these contradictions and the violence are part of all Islam, including your own.
The conclusion here is therefore that Islam, including your Islam, is based on flawed and contradictory premises. Should you reach that conclusion, which I think is fairly obvious, then it will be time for you to drop the first word of your pseudonym and leave Islam behind.
December 9th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
rucker - As you’ve shown us and I had written before, muslims of India are already trying to do what they can. You and “infidel” had said that you wanted to see some protest. Then here’s the protest and moreover they won’t bury the corpses of the terrorists into the muslim graveyard as you know. I hope you appreciate this at least.
And besides you’ve done well by showing us the answers of Sumbul Ali-Karamali as my answers would be already just like hers. I completely agree with her at every question (from Aisha’s age to circumcision) so that I can even undersign her answers.
By the way, circumcision is really obligatory for all muslim boys (generally before they become 11-12 years old) but never exists for girls. In fact I was thinking that such applications only exist in primitive African clans. Being a muslim and living in a muslim society, I hear as the first time in my life that this is an “honourable” thing for a girl! Noone had said me before. Then there’s really a freak at this. I mean, if this was islamic, I had to know this. Was I not a muslim girl, too?
And.. Honor killings and suicide bombings can’t be islamic, either. Because “to kill” and “to suicide” are certainly major sins according to islam. I have grown up by listening to such things. I was taught: “The life given by Allah, can only be taken back by Allah”. Not only killing another person, also killing yourself was a very great sin so that you certainly go to hell and burn there forever. It’s believed that Allah never forgives you as you’ve killed yourself. For ex, let’s undertake the biggest pain in life: the loss of a son or daughter, isn’t it? Suppose a person suffers because of such a big pain. Still he can’t suicide as it’s a major sin. He tries to live with this pain instead. That’s what I’ve seen.
So I don’t know now which islam we’re talking about. Are there a few types of islam? Because this is not our islam.
December 8th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
And to be fair: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/world/asia/08muslims.html?_r=2
December 8th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Although Muslim woman could not answer the questions we posed for her (this is true of all the muslim posters, I am posting this article/review that asks the same and other questions of disingenuous or perhaps dissembling or even deluded muslims and their apologists.
http://revuse.wetpaint.com/page/Ten+Questions+for+the+Muslim+Next+Door?t=anon
December 7th, 2008 at 9:47 am
you know why muslims dont eat pigs ?
cause pigs dont eat pigs .
ban muslims form everything nuclear middle east , god protect america for killing muslims , muslims are a wormy thingy which breed.
December 6th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Kalian telah menyebarkan pitnah yang nyata, Laknatullah untuk kalian orang-orang kafir, neraka jahanam untuk kalian.
(indonesian)
December 6th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Kalian telah menyebarkan pitnah yang nyata, Laknatullah untuk kalian orang-orang kafir, neraka jahanam untuk kalian….
December 5th, 2008 at 8:25 am
thank you
December 4th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
I forgot to say: It seems like the only war referred to in the quotation is the war muslims are ordered to wage against non-muslims, not in self-defense, but in order to convert them to islam (or subdue and tax them as dhimmmis or kill them). I cannot see another way to understand it.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Hello Muslim Woman - I did see the item about the refusal to bury the terrorists in a muslim graveyard. Right on! But it’s not enough, nor are the few examples you provided of muslims going against the terrorists. Whole neighborhoods need to turn out and turn in the terrorists in their midsts. Mosques need to expose any jihad talk that goes on in their gatherings. Whole neighborhoods and towns need to turn out and burn pictures of bin laden. Imam’s throughout the islamic world need to issue fatwas against all mulsim terroristsd whether they call themselves al quaeda or hamas or the government of Saudi Arabia.
But your “only in times of war” argument is shop worn and not credible. Why? Because huge numbers of muslims either do not believe that or they define “war” in ways no other people would. For example,there was never any “war against islam” in the late 20th century, despite what muslims all over the world say. In fact, I believe that ver very few Americans ever gave muslims a second thought. You simply were not important enough until you began killing us. And what “war” is there in the Philipines, Thailand, China, etc.?
Then there is this, which seems to have nothing at all to do with “war”:
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah ’s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”
Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 52
I see no mention of war there, do you?
December 4th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Yes, infidel, but I read a good news yesterday. Please look at this:
http://www.palhaber.com/haber/dunya/dunya-genel/hintli-muslumanlar–teroristleri-mezarlarina-gommeyi-reddetti.html
Of course you won’t understand anything as it’s in Turkish. It means: The indian muslims refused to bury the 9 terrorists into the muslim graveyard. “Dawat-i Islam” religious community leader Hamid Abdul Razzak said: “The police can’t bring the corpses here because we won’t accept them. They embarrassed more than 200 million muslims living here. On the name of so-called jihad, they killed the innocent people but a person killing the innocent people can’t be a real muslim. We will never give place to corpses of these remorseless terrorists.”
And there’s another thing I want to talk about. In 2004, Turkey’s Director of Regional Affairs has dared to say: “Let’s rearrange the translations and comments of the Quran. Because the comments of some verses have grown obsolete. They are not valid today. We can change the comments because they’re already man-made. So let’s change the comments about women-rights.”
This was perhaps a revolution but he has forgotten to offer the change on the jihad comments (although it’s more important than the women-rights) or maybe he didn’t want to say so much. Maybe he would go on if some changes about women-rights could be done. But nothing happened in the past 4 years. A “standstill” situation exists. A little more courage is needed and I believe Turkey is the only muslim country who can manage this.
And… This is the site of a Turkish atheist who has been a “mufti” and “imam” (a muslim chaplain) before but many years later he has losed all his belief and become an infidel. He has begun to write books and disseminate his ideas and probably because of this, he has been killed by an islamic terrorist organisation in 1990. Here’s the English part of the site if you find it interesting and want to browse:
http://www.turan-dursun.com/index.php?categoryid=4&p2003_articleid=1
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:15 am
” In fact even a person with an average intelligence has to see this fact but the terrorists cannot. And.. I don’t believe nobody will dare to make changes even on the comments. It has to be made but unfortunately won’t or cannot…”
So it’s all a waste of time even discussing it!!!, the jihadists will just carry on murdering and bombing, and the “peaceful” muslims are too scared to call for change.
December 3rd, 2008 at 6:50 am
Then let me tell you how I can still stay as a muslim: Because my viewpoint is different than the terrorists. All these verses came 1400 years ago for Prophet Mohammed. Have you ever watched the film “Cagri (The Message)” which was made in 1977 in the USA? Anthony Quinn was in the leading role. I advice you to watch it once if you haven’t yet as it reflects the facts. While Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was trying to disseminate islam, he and his believers were in great danger. The ones who were captured by the pagans were being killed with torture. So “war” command came to him. “Make war in the name of Allah and kill the unbelievers wherever you find them”… Of course, there was no other choice. Otherwise they would find them and kill, moreover by torturing. This is a war. War conditions are special. If you are in a war, do you wait for your enemy to kill you? These verses were valid 1400 years ago, only on the war condition. And God says these to Prophet Mohammed and his believers 1400 years ago, not now, not to us, not on today’s peace conditions.
But unfortunately the terrorists misinterpret these. Why don’t moderate muslims try to kill anybody then? Because we don’t perceive these verses as they demand us to kill the unbelievers. These are God’s words to Prophet Mohammed which were valid in the past.
As I always say, I believe that the Quran has to be rearranged or reinterpreted at once as it causes very bad results (as these terror attacks are being done in the name of the Quran) but this is almost impossible as it’s really a taboo. Can you make any changes on God’s words? Who can dare it? In fact it’s not necessary to change even a single word but a committee can set up a meeting to make great revolutions at least on its comments. For ex, it can be said that these verses don’t demand the jihad today. Rearranging of the comments could be enough. In fact even a person with an average intelligence has to see this fact but the terrorists cannot. And.. I don’t believe nobody will dare to make changes even on the comments. It has to be made but unfortunately won’t or cannot…
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Thanks, POA - I’m really too busy right now to have done that for Muslim Woman.
Muslim Woman, this is what we look at when we say that islam teaches the murder of non-muslims, not just in warfare, not just in self-defense, but also in conquest and to keep us kaffirs in our place. So I am curious how you can be muslim and be unaware of these passages in your holy texts.
Thanks for your answer.
December 1st, 2008 at 8:05 pm
“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”
“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”
“How perverse are Muslims!”
“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”
“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”
“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”
December 1st, 2008 at 7:43 pm
More preaching of violence…
Sura (2:191-193) - “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” There is a good case to be made that the overall context of these verses is defensive war, however, there are two worrisome pieces to this passage. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of “persecution.” The second is that fighting may persist until “religion is for Allah.”
Sura (2:244) - “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”
Sura (2:216) - “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
Sura (3:56) - “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Sura (3:151) - “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of killing Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).
Sura (4:74) - “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”
Sura (4:76) - “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
Sura (4:89) - “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Sura (4:95) - “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” This passage not only criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, but also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Qur’an, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad).
Sura (4:104) - “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Pursuing an injured enemy is not an act of self-defense.
Sura (5:33) - “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
Sura (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Sura (8:15) - “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
Sura (8:39) - “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah”
Sura (8:57) - “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”
Sura (8:59-60) - “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
Sura (9:5) - “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
Sura (9:14) - “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace…”
Sura (9:20) - “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The “striving” spoken of here is Jihad.
Sura (9:29) - “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Sura (9:30) - “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
Sura (9:38-39) - “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Sura (9:41) - “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.”
Sura (9:73) - “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”
Sura (9:88) - “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”
Sura (9:111) - “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.”
Sura (9:123) - “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
Sura (21:44) - “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”
Sura (25:52) - “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur’an).” “Strive against” is Jihad, obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.
Sura (47:4) - “So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,”
Sura (47:35) - “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”
Sura (48:17) - “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.”
Sura (48:29) - “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”
Sura (61:4) - “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way”
Sura (61:10-12) - “O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity.” This verse was given in battle. It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
Sura (66:9) - “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” The root word of “Jihad” is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites,” those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.
December 1st, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Here you go, Muslim Woman… Is this enough for you? There are plenty more passages of hate and violence if you want…but I don’t expect you will respond to this condemning Islam. Rather, I’d expect that your response will be that of ‘non-denial denial’.
Direct quotes from the Quran:
ANNOUNCE PAINFUL PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3)
O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred… (8:65)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah…And the Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say Christ is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; Allah’s curse be on them; how they are turned away!” (Koran 9:29-30)
And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)
When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)
And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM (8:71)
FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14)
FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)
O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. (9:73)
O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123)
I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE. O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day - unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company - then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah’s wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy) but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; (8:12-17)
And that you should judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious of them, lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to you; but if they turn back, then know that Allah desires to afflict them on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people are transgressors. Is it then the judgment of the times of ignorance that they desire: and who is better than Allah to judge for a people who are sure? O YOU WHO BELIEVE! DO NOT TAKE THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS FOR FRIENDS; THEY ARE FRIENDS OF EACH OTHER; AND WHOEVER AMONGST YOU TAKES THEM FOR A FRIEND, THEN SURELY HE IS ONE OF THEM; SURELY ALLAH DOES NOT GUIDE THE UNJUST PEOPLE. (5:49-51)
The punishment of those who pit themselves against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, except those who repent before you have them in your power (5:33-34)
Believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god: far be it from his glory that He should have a son. (4:171)
What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him. THEY DESIRE THAT YOU SHOULD DISBELIEVE AS THEY HAVE DISBELIEVED, SO THAT YOU MIGHT BE ALL ALIKE; THEREFORE TAKE NOT FROM AMONG THEM FRIENDS UNTIL THEY FLY THEIR HOMES IN ALLAH’S WAY; BUT IF THEY TURN BACK, THEN SEIZE THEM AND KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE NOT FROM AMONG THEM A FRIEND OR A HELPER. (4:89)
As for those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the punishment (4:56)
Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah - they shall have a severe punishment; and Allah is Mighty, the lord of retribution. (3:4)
Allah ’s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)” (Hadith 4:52:196)
Allah’s Apostles said, “When a slave (of Allah) commits illegal sexual intercourse, he is not a believer at the time of committing it; and if he steals, he is not a believer at the time of stealing; and if he drinks an alcoholic drink, when he is not a believer at the time of drinking it; and he is not a believer when he commits a murder,” ‘Ikrima said: I asked Ibn Abbas, “How is faith taken away from him?” He said, Like this,” by clasping his hands and then separating them, and added, “But if he repents, faith returns to him like this, by clasping his hands again. (Hadith 8:82:800e:) [So, with the clap of a hand, they can do whatever they want?]
The Prophet said, “The one who commits an illegal sexual intercourse is not a believer at the time of committing illegal sexual intercourse and a thief is not a believer at the time of committing theft and a drinker of alcoholic drink is not a believer at the time of drinking. Yet, (the gate of) repentance is open thereafter.” (Hadith 8:82:801)
(Isolated incident) …then prostrated himself, and all who were with him prostrated too. But an old man took a handful of dust and touched his forehead with it saying, “This is sufficient for me.” Later on I saw him killed as an infidel. (Hadith 5:59:311)
[yes the Jews and Muslims are both descendents of Abraham, but here is the attitude towards descendants of Abraham through Isaac (the Jews]: “If they find you, they will be your enemies, and will stretch forth towards you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they ardently desire that you may disbelieve. Your relationship would not profit you, nor your children, on the day of resurrection; He will decide between you; and Allah sees what you do. Indeed, there is for you a good example in Abraham and those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; WE DECLARE OURSELVES TO BE CLEAR OF YOU, AND ENMITY AND HATRED HAVE APPEARED BETWEEN US AND YOU FOREVER UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IN ALLAH ALONE (60:2-4)
Contrast that with what Jesus said:
“But I say to you, love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. Be merciful as your Father is merciful. This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” Jesus, SON of God
See What about the Old Testament?
and What about the Crusades?
Again, Mohammad first went to the Jews as a prophet, writing of peace; was rejected. Mohammad then went to the Christians claiming to be a prophet and wrote peace; was rejected. Mohammad went back to his own people and was rejected until he (for a short time) said Allah allowed them to worship Allah’s daughters. Mohammad then began to slaughter unbelievers and masterminded over 60 massacres, and the Quran changed dramatically to hate, that is why there are so many contradictions. That is also why there are so many familiar phrases and precepts between the religions. Mohammad appeared on the scene over 600 years after Jesus was resurrected, he tried to claim to be a prophet, though illiterate, he knew the scriptures of the Bible well. But “Allah” is certainly NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The characters are exactly opposite! In fact the Hebrew phonetic word Allah (aw-law) means to lament, mourn and curse. (Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance #421, 422, 423)
December 1st, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Rucker, please look at these verses once:
“Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them” (The Pilgrimage-39)
The Quran has given permission to fight (jihad) only at these circumstances. Otherwise it’s not demanding jihad.
And look what the Quran is saying for unbelievers:
“Say: O unbelievers!
2. I do not serve that which you serve,
3. Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
4. Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
5. Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
6. You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.”
The Quran says here: Your religion is for you, my religion is for me. This is good, too. It’s not forcing anybody to become a muslim.
I advice you not to believe in Geert Wilders’s falsified video. It’s not true. And.. Let me answer your question now: No, I can’t admit that islam teaches muslims to kill non-muslims because I can’t admit something which I don’t believe. But if you show me the exact verses about this, I can check their Turkish translations and think about them again. (Because some translations can cause to be misunderstood.)
December 1st, 2008 at 3:28 am
THESE ARE WRONG P?CTURES. PLESA TAKE THESE OUT. I Advise you
November 30th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
very nice pics!! if i could draw i would add some more cartoons.
November 30th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Well, what can I say Muslim Woman? You ignored the most important part of our posts, the part that all muslims ignore and deny over and over thus making dialog impossible. Why can’t you admit islam teaches muslims to kill non-muslims?
November 29th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
uLan orospu cocuklari Sizi S?kiyim siz Kim oluyosunuz da Hz.MUHAMMEDE Laf sölüyosunuz.. Piç kuruluari sizin Gelmi?inizi Geçmi?inizii sikiyim(fuck You)(fuck The Franch,England,ABD,Rusya)
November 29th, 2008 at 7:06 am
What “al-taqiyya” doctrine? Why would I need to dissimulate? I might not already attend this forum as I didn’t have such an obligation.
But rucker and infidel, you’re right about some points. In fact I haven’t thought until now, why no fatwas are being issued by muslim clerics or no protests are being made against islamic terror especially in Turkey while it’s never something we approve and while many protests are being made against PKK terror. In fact there are no “muslim clerics” here as we don’t have a priesthood in islam. But we have a department of religious affairs. General terror is often being blamed by this department and I guess also islamic terror is included but I’m not sure really as I’m not a religious expert who knows many things about islam. Maybe a religious muslim friend (who knows more than me) can help us about this. Or maybe I think and explore myself if you give me some time.
And writing in English is a difficulty for me as I’ve never lived abroad until now. But I must say, my English teacher was an American named Carl Tobey. He loved Turkey and Turks so much that he lived for 30 years here (until he died). He educated a lot of students here. I couldn’t unfortunately find a chance to develop it abroad. So I may sometimes use wrong expressions which can even cause to make you angry but please know that it’s beacuse of this English problem.
November 29th, 2008 at 4:15 am
The problem is, muslim woman, we just cannot believe anything you say!!
“Yes, muslim terrorists are doing this and we are very very sad and ashamed because of this.”
OK then, give us some STRAIGHT answers to the following….
Muslims are very quick to hold protests, so WHERE are the protests by the so-called REAL muslims against the murders in India??
Where were the muslim protests against the 9-11 killings, the london bombings, etc,etc.
Why do the REAL muslim clerics refuse to issue “fatwas” against the terrorists??.
Why don’t the muslim countries hunt down and bring to trial the terrorists when they KNOW who and where they are??.
How can we believe anything you say when you have the “al-taqiyya” doctrine??
Come on, muslim woman……..STRAIGHT ANSWERS PLEASE!!
November 28th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Sorry Muslim Woman, I tried to fix my name mistake (calling you Amina) in my post but I guess I failed.
November 28th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Muslimwoman, I feel a kind of compassion for you because you probably are a decent human being who just happens to have been born into this religion, but the compassion is tempered by the fact that you have stayed in the religion and by the fact that my study of islam has shown me that muslims are allowed and even required to lie to infidels to protect islam.
You are correct I am deeply angry, angrier at muslims than I am at all the other religions of the world rolled up together. Why? Because all the other religions are merely pushing their myths for the most part while muslims are also killing in the name of their myths just about every single day.
I too would hope we could honestly talk about the problems, but one thing prevents that: muslims refusing to admit that muslim terrorists justify their acts with quotations from and references to the koran and all the other important muslim sources. And that is a large part of my anger too, that not one single muslim appearing on this site or anywhere that I have seen has ever admitted that islam teaches that Christians and Jews are apes and dogs and that the koran teaches to kill and terrorize the unbelievers. Can you be the first, Amina?
Can you show that much respect for US that you will admit that what is there for all the world to see is actually there. Not mistranslated, not taken out of context, not the lies of racists. Then you will see more respect from me and others. But please don’t tell us we don’t know what we’re talking about, because that disrespects us.
And finally I understand that you cannot single handedly change your fellow muslims. I understand your frustration too, if you are sincere. After all, I am an American, a descendent of people that first came to this country in 1635. And I love my country. Yet our government has done a lot of things that I condemn and abhor and that I as an American get blamed for even though in most cases I did not help elect those governments.
But if you are familiar with America, then perhaps you know that huge numbers of us are very vocal about our objections. We demonstrate in the street in the thousands. Why do we not hear a similar loud cry from muslims like you when other muslims commit murder in the name of your god and prophet? I gather you live in Turkey. If so, please direct us to sources that show that huge numbers of Turks condemn these acts of terror committed by muslims.
November 28th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
I think I have to speak now as my nickname has been mentioned. Where are we now? I don’t know the other friends but I’m here and I didn’t “sidestep” but only escaped from your deep, very great, endless anger and hatred which really disturbed me. Couldn’t you try to control your anger just a little bit? I just had expected some respect which I had showed all of the people on this forum, that’s all. We may not share the same belief. You may be infidels and we may be muslims but we don’t need to hate eachother, that was all I’ve said but you didn’t care about my words.
How can you still think that we justify these murders or we are proud of them after all the things I’ve written here. Then I’ve talked in vain. We are still at the same point.
Yes, muslim terrorists are doing this and we are very very sad and ashamed because of this. But what will you gain by humiliating all the muslims in the world? Will you really feel better? If you will, then go on.
Did I do this myself? Did my mother do it? My father? My friends or the innocent people around me? You can’t blame all of us because of these. We don’t deserve this.
There’s a Turkish proverb like this: “Also the wet wood burns together with the dry one”. What a pitty that the terrorists are the dry woods and we poor muslims are the wet ones. Nothing bad happens to them in fact but we are blamed here.
November 28th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Be all you can be. Read the koran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBzN0-W5eIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfyEQxABODs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgGJYusMreE
November 28th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Don’t come here telling us to read the koran for any reason, just shut your bloodstained mouth. Your timing is especially grotesque with what is going on in India right now with your fellow muslims walking through hotels murdering innocent people.
There is blood on your koran, it is steeped in blood, it reeks of the charnel house. Where are you today Amina, muslimwoman, imran, muslimboy, mohammed, xmech? Figuring out ways of justifying those deaths? Your peaceful religion has claimed more than 100 lives this past couple of days in just one city. It wasn’t Christians, Buddhists, Mormons, Joos, Sikhs, Hindus, George Bush, the Pope, Crusaders, Salmon Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, or any other group or person. It was muslims, as usual, wallowing in blood, rolling in rotting flesh, heaping up piles of dead people so they can claim their 72 raisins. (Because the muslim view of heaven is a place where men can drink and fuck to their hearts’ content - real spiritual that, eh?) That is what your koran teaches, your koran about which I just read an interesting fact: 61% of it deals with kaffirs, infidels. And what is the fate of infidels in the hands of muslims? Death.
Let me quote Robert Spencer today: “How many more such outrages, how many more wanton murders of innocent people, will the non-Muslim world endure before it wakes up? How many more iterations of “It’s Just a Tiny Minority of Extremists” and “What About the Crusades?” and “Speaking About Jihad Violence is Islamophobia and Bigotry” must we endure before the mainstream media (liberal and conservative) begins to talk about this issue seriously?”
And let me close with this: There is a tradition in the west that says if a million monkeys sat at a million typewriters for infinity, one of them would, by chance alone, type the works of William Shakespeare (a famous western writer the likes of which no muslim country has ever produced or ever will produce because they produce nothing but ignorance and death). So if your koran has “predicted some science facts about 1400 years ago” (which I do not believe) it is because even a MONKEY gets something right some time, just by accident
November 28th, 2008 at 7:01 am
who ever says that Quran is wrong, have they every studied it?
in fact Quran has predicted some science facts about 1400 years ago, now which have been proven by modren science,
PLz dont jump to the conclusions untill you have the clear picture, just read it once you will get your awnser.
November 27th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Let me take a crack at it:
Hello, I am a human being trapped in islam - please help me get out of this cult that worships a psychopathic child molester and provides the most sublime of incense through the scent of rotting corpses.
November 27th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Sorry, cueca and sedat, we don’t speak martian on here!!!
November 27th, 2008 at 7:43 am
ESSELAMUALEYKUM….ARKADASLAR DINSIZI YOLA GETIRMEYE CALISMAYIN.ELHAMDULILLAH MUSLUMANIZ.SUNU SORUN KENDINIZE ONLAR BUNLARI YAPARKEN ,DININE,PEYGAMBERINE SALDIRIRKEN SEN ALLAH VE PEYGAMBERIN IÇIN NE YAPIYORSUN.BIRKERE BUNLARA KUFRETMEK SIZI ONLARIN SEVIYESINDE TUTMAKTAN BASKA BI ISE YARAMAZ.NEBI NIN ISMININ ANILDIGI YERE LUTFEN SIZ BARI KUFUR YAZMAYIN.DAHA SOMUT ISLER YAPALIM.INANDIGIMIZ GIBI KURAN VE SUNNETE UYARAK YASAYALIM.BIZIM ASIL EKSIKLIGIMIZ BUDUR.INANCIMA KUFREDEN GIBI YASADIKTAN SONRA FARKIM NE KI DEMELIYIZ.IMANININ DERECESINI GORMEK ISTIYORSAN KENDINI SORGULA. ESSELAMUALEYKUM
November 25th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
boyle seyler olunca musluman kesiliyoz.(bizim millet) yoksa normalde ne kadar haram denilen var hepsini yapiyoruz. Gerci diger dinler farkli mi? insani ahlakli terbiyeli yapan dini degildir. Insani insanligi terbiye eder. yoksa biz de de dallama var danimarkada da.
ilk soyledigimle ilgili olarak bi?ey.
TÜrk milleti gariptir, her lafi kaldirmaz
ibne dersin kizar da sikersin aldirmaz
November 23rd, 2008 at 6:57 pm
I thought that it was reasonable too, to try for a response from ‘Muslim Woman’…but it seems to be an absolute definate that even moderate or ‘muslim lite’ are unable to admit that the koran is wrong, or that thier muslim bro’s and sisters are wrong.
Disappointing and unfulfilling arguement…
I guess a forfiet is still a win.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 am
Turkey may be secular Ruck, but if they are muslim, then they are brainwashed, no two ways about it!!.
they’re robots following koranic programming.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
And so another muslim sidesteps the important questions. I had hopes for her as she is from a country with a history of secularism, but I guess not.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Sorry, I’m probably being misunderstood as English is not my native language. I didn’t challenge anybody. I only wanted to compare notes. It seems that you all get angry with my statements. Maybe it’ll be better if I don’t take part in these discussions anymore.
Thanks for your responses until now.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Hello Muslim Woman - Hope your post wasn’t just another drive-by posting pretending to be a response to our concerns while actually being just a polite warning to shut up about your religion.
Here’s an analogy that might be useful: If islam were a physical entity such as a wolf or palm tree, the koran and the hadith would be its DNA. Islam IS the koran and the hadith; what they contain, islam contains. (And sharia is one of the products of that DNA.)
One of the things in your post that bothers me is this:
“So when christians, jews and mostly infidels get angry with radical muslims or islamic terrorists, they begin to mock at islamic values but this hurts moderate muslims rather than radical ones.”
It seems to me that the islamic values includes jihad, for example. Are you saying that jihad is not an islamic value? And islamic values include injunctions to kill infidels. And they also devalue women (they inherit half what their brothers inherit, their testimony in legal matters is worth half that of men, etc.). All these and more are disturbing to western sensibilities because they concern limiting and repressing people’s human rights or taking their lives.
“I mean you can’t hit the target in fact but bother moderate muslims instead of this. Is this really what you want to do? And such things cause more hatred among societies.”
You seem to be saying that we must be quiet about what muslims are doing so as not to offend “moderate” muslims and generate hatred. But all we are doing is responding to hatred. And we have seen this before: “Moderate” muslims getting violent because we infidels are insulting islam by pointing out violence committed in islam’s name. That’s putting the cart before the horse.
And let’s not forget the muslims who have left islam and say that it is violent at heart.
I know this might be a lot to respond to, and yes, I am angry which might be off-putting, but if you want to change islam’s image in the world, you will have to put up with our anger and concern and respond to it.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:44 am
Korgan’s got it right too, as usual, Muslim Woman. If you address those issues, you will be the first practicing muslim I have ever seen do so. Are you up to the challenge?
November 21st, 2008 at 11:42 am
For now just let me repeat myself:
“You know what would be nice? A muslim admitting that islam contains all of the violent passages, whether from the koran or hadith or whatever, and then telling us how he or she works around those things.”
Muslim woman - you did not do that. If the koran contains passages advising the murder of infidels, which it does, that is islam, right? Am I confusing islam and sharia when I say that the koran mandates killing non-muslims?
November 21st, 2008 at 10:36 am
Muslim woman,
You seem to have missed infidel’s point, and the subject of posts 3493 and 3492.
As far as what a “real muslim” is, does the Koran specify that, or not? And if not, where is appropriate behavior for a real muslim defined? The Koran clearly prescribes violence, as has already been presented, and is a pretty obvious basis for terrorism. Therefore, one would conclude that the violent muslims referred to as “radicals” are the real muslims, and that the so-called moderates are simply not being true to their professed religion.
Religion is ridiculous.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:57 am
Sorry, I’ve probably used a wrong word (Bush) at the end of my following writing. I didn’t mean “Bush government’s role” but the USA governments’s role in the cold war time period (1945-1990) about financing the islamic terrorism. Here is another article:
“During the cold war in order to control the Warsaw Pact countries the United States, in its capacity as a western superpower, generated false Islam under the name of Green Belt imposing it to many Muslim countries including also Turkey. The Green Belt Islam is nothing else than false Islam reflecting Middle East and Persian traditions. Yet, it was necessary to keep it vital and praise it since taking advantage of the Muslim world as a cheap knight against the Iron Curtain was directly related to the viability of this false Islam. If the Muslims could only cognise the essence of their religion as well as priority for rational and knowledge the existence of the Green Belt Chivalry would have been doomed to failure.
Following the end of the cold war the Green Belt knights appeared as new enemies to the West. This time they were announced as children of terror and had to be tamed. This, in its turn, required generating of test-tube baby Islams in order to lull the vigilance of the Muslim world… This is the foundation for the new western strategies. The West exploits the Muslim world and, at the same time, mocks at them.
The Muslims and, especially, the Muslim Turks have served for years as the Green Belt knights for the West (especially, for the USA) at the cost of compromising essence of their religion. At the end of the cold war the former knights become main new time enemies. The cheap knights at present started to fight their old masters.”
What do you think about this and also the real islam and the real muslims?
November 21st, 2008 at 8:40 am
infidel - But you’ve already used the word “radical islamists” at the beginning of your writing and you’re still asking “tell us how they’re not real muslims” at the end. Of course they’re not real muslims but radical ones. And this is not islam but “sharia”! 99% of Turks are muslims and as Turkey is not directed with sharia, such things can’t happen here.
rucker and the other friends - Sorry for I’m always repeating this but I’ll say it again now: The main misunderstanding is that you often confuse “islam” with “sharia”. But I know you think that the real islam already means sharia and real muslims are already radical ones. Then can you say what we are if they’re real muslims? Are we “light muslims” here, something like “light cigarettes”? The point I always want to highlight is: In fact the real muslims are us and the real islam is ours. So when christians, jews and mostly infidels get angry with radical muslims or islamic terrorists, they begin to mock at islamic values but this hurts moderate muslims rather than radical ones. I mean you can’t hit the target in fact but bother moderate muslims instead of this. Is this really what you want to do? And such things cause more hatred among societies. Please be sure of this: Radical muslims’ and terrorists’ ideas commit only themselves not us. You’ll say again: “Why don’t you stop the terrorists and radical muslims then?” Do you really think that it’s easy? Noone can stop them.They’ve been supported until now. Look at this article named as “no war!”:
http://www.antikapitalist.net/makale/dunya/21.htm
In Turkish:
“ABD yonetimi gerici gucleri desteklemekten hic cekinmedi. Usame Bin Ladin ve Talibani destekledi ve finanse etti.”
This means: “The government of the USA didn’t hesitate to support the reactionist powers, supported and finansed Osame bin Laden and Taliban.”
If this is true, you have to think also if Bush’s government had made some mistakes or not rather than always judging muslims so hard. Because every result has a reason in fact.
We can act like a buzz group here on this forum. I’m asking you what you think about Turkey’s “light cigarettes”, if radicals are real muslims what we are. And.. what you think about Bush government’s role related with financing the islamic terrorism.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Now infidel, you have been warned over and over that islam is a religion of peace and love for all and deep respect for women. Now if you don’t get it through your head that muslims are peaceful as doves, they are going to have to cut off your head. It’s really the only way that infidels are ever going to learn about allah’s love.
November 17th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
“Public anger at the recent stoning of a 13-year-old girl in Somalia shows the growing resentment towards radical Islamists who have gained control of much of the south and centre of the country.
Insurgents from the militant group al-Shabab are seen as authoritarian and unaccountable - unlike the Islamists who were in control of the capital, Mogadishu, in 2006.
Asha Ibrahim Dhuhulow was stoned to death for adultery in the southern port city of Kismayo, which was taken control by al-Shabab and its allies in August.
I don’t know what crime she committed other than being raped - and I was not even allowed to see her body
Asha Ibrahim Dhuhulow’s aunt
Her 62-year-old aunt told the BBC that the teenager had in fact been raped by three armed men - and she took Asha to the police station to report it.
Several days later, after two suspects had been arrested, she was asked to return to the station with her niece.
To her surprise the girl was taken into custody too.
“I tried to speak to the police but they said they were not talking,” she said.
Three days later, after Asha had been tried in an Islamist court, she was stoned to death.
“They said that the girl had chatted up these men and had confessed to adultery,” she said.
But the aunt said the authorities clearly failed to notice her age, how mentally disturbed she was by her experience, or her history of mental illness.
“She was only 13 years old. I have got her card from Hagarder refugee camp which has her age on it. She might have looked a bit older, but you could tell her age by talking to her,” she said.
Law and order
Other critics point to the lack of lawyers, witnesses or appeal process.
The Islamists were reported to have announced their verdict the day before the stoning from cars with loudspeakers.
But Asha’s aunt was not informed of the court’s decision - despite repeated visits to the police station.
“I was not even told that she was to be killed, I just heard it from people after it happened.
“I don’t know what crime she committed other than being raped; and I was not even allowed to see her body,” she said.
Al-Shabab in Kismayo has refused attempts by the BBC to discuss the stoning.”
COME ON ALL YOU RAGHEADS………….
Tell us how they are not “REAL” muslims, lol
November 16th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
…and to Korgan.. Could have Goatse-rolled him, for extra points!
November 16th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Muhammad Nom-nom-nom-an Ahmed Says: writer is son of bitch.
Does this mean that he’s admitting to being a ’son of bitch’?
Or does it mean that he thinks Moo-Moo-hammad is a ’son of bitch’?
I, for one, believe that the latter is correct..however, the former does have it’s merits.
He’ll probably tell me to ‘go to hill’ now… Ooooh-kaay!
November 16th, 2008 at 11:15 am
In the name of Gozer, The Mighty, The Green and Slimy,
Here is an appropriate response to Muhammad Noman Ahmed’s copy and paste job of religious spewing.
Religion is ridiculous.
November 16th, 2008 at 7:17 am
In the name of Allah, The Merciful, The All-merciful
Those who disbelieved and barred from God’s way, God has sent their works astray.(1)
And those who believed and did righteous deeds, and believed in what is sent down to Muhammad __ and it is the truth form their Lord __ He has acquitted them of their evils and put right their condition.(2)
That is because those who disbelieved followed falsehood, and those who believed followed the truth from their Lord. Thus does God describe their similitudes for Mankind.(3)
Now when you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks. Until, when you have slaughtered them sufficiently, tie fast the bonds; then afterwards (set them free) either by grace or by ransom, till the war lays down its loads __ so it shall be. And if God had willed, He could have avenged Himself upon them, but it was so that He may try some of you by others. And those who are killed in the way of God, He will never send their works astray.(4)
He will guide them and put right their condition;(5)
and He will admit them to Paradise, which He has made known to them.(6)
O Believers, if you help God, He will help you, and will make firm your feet.(7)
But the unbelievers __ their fate is to perish, for He has sent their deeds astray.(8)
That is because they are averse to what God has sent down, so He has made their works to go waste.(9)
Have they not journeyed in the land and seen how was the end of those before them? God destroyed them, and the unbelievers shall have the like of it.(10)
That is because God is the Protector of the Believers, and the unbelievers, there is no protector for them.(11)
God shall admit those who believe and do righteous deeds into gardens, underneath which rivers flow. And the unbelievers, they enjoy and eat as the cattle eat, and the Fire is their resort.(12)
And how many a city there was that was stronger than thy city which has expelled thee! We destroyed them, and there was no helper for them.(13)
Is then he who is upon a Clear Sign from his Lord like him for whom his evil deed is adorned, and they followed their caprices?(14)
The similitude of Paradise promised to the godfearing (is this): In it are rivers of unstaling water, and rivers of milk of unchanging taste, and rivers of wine, a delight to the drinkers, and rivers of purified honey; and there they shall have every fruit, and forgiveness from their Lord. (Are they) like him who dwells in the Fire forever, and who are given to drink boiling water that tears their bowels asunder?(15)
And some of them give ear to thee, till, when they go forth from thee, they say to those who have been given knowledge, `what has he said just now?’ Those are the ones whose hearts God has sealed and have followed their caprices.(16)
But those who are on guidance, He increases them in guidance, and gives them their piety.(17)
Are they only looking for the Hour that should come upon them suddenly? But its tokens have already come; and when it comes upon them, how shall they have their admonition.(18)
Know that there is no god but God, and ask forgiveness of thy shortcomings, and for the Believing men and women; and God knows your moving about and your resort.(19)
And the Believers say, `why is not a Sura sent down?’ But when a well-defined Sura is sent down, and fighting is mentioned therein, thou seest those in whose hearts is sickness, looking at thee with the look of one who faints at death; but preferable for them(20)
was obedience and a desirable word. Then, when the matter is resolved, it would be better for them if they were true to God. And if you turned away, you are likely to cause disorder in the land, and cut off your bonds of blood?(21)
Those are the ones whom God has cursed, then made them deaf, and blinded their eyes.(23)
Do they not ponder over the Qur’an, or is it that there are locks on their hearts?(24)
Those who have turned on their backs, after the guidance has become clear to them, the Devil tempted them and gave them hopes.(25)
That is because they said to those who are averse to what God has sent down, `we will obey you in some of the affair;’ and God knows their secrets.(26)
But how shall it be, when the angels take them, beating their faces and backs?(27)
That is because they have followed what angered God, and were averse to His pleasure; so He has made their deeds to go waste.(28)
Or did those in whose hearts is sickness think that God would not bring to light their malice?(29)
But if We will, We would show them to thee, then thou wouldst recognise them by their mark; and thou wouldst surely recognise them by the twist of their speech; and God knows your works.(30)
And We shall surely test you, till We know those of you who struggle and are steadfast and We shall try the news about you.(31)
Those who disbelieved and barred from God’s way, and opposed the Messenger after the guidance had become clear to them, they will not hurt God in the least; and He will make their works to go waste. (32)
O Believers, obey God and obey the Messenger, and do not make your works to go vain.(33)
Those who disbelieved and barred from God’s way, then died as unbelievers, God will never forgive them.(34)
So be not slack and do not call for peace; and you shall be the most high, for God is with you, and He will not deprive you of your works.(35)
The present life is only a sport and a diversion; and if you believe and be godfearing, He will give you your wages, and will not ask of you your wealth.(36)
If He asks you for it, and presses you, you would be niggardly, and He will bring forth your malice.(37)
Ha, you are those who are called upon to expend in the way of God, then some of you are niggardly. Whoso is niggardly, he is niggardly only to himself; and God is the All-sufficient and you are the poor. And if you turn away, He will substitute another people, in place of you, then they will not be like you.(38)
November 16th, 2008 at 7:11 am
In the name of Allah, The Merciful, The All-merciful
Praise be to God, the Lord of the World, (1)
the Merciful, the All-merciful, (2)
the Master of the Day of Recompense. (3)
Thee we serve, and to Thee we pray for help. (4)
Guide us to the Straight Path, (5)
the path of those whom Thou hast blessed,(6)
not of those who incurred wrath, nor of the astray. (7)
writer is son of bitch.
we succes this war, we succes insha Allah. and u gone to hill
November 15th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
You know what would be nice? A muslim admitting that islam contains all of the violent passages, whether from the koran or hadith or whatever, and then telling us how he or she works around those things. Why do muslims always insist that islam is a religion of peace when they know it contains commands to kill Christians and Jews and that other muslims act on those commands? This is part of what gives islam and muslims a bad name (though of course the terrorism is more to the point for that) - this denial of what islam teaches in the face of the obvious fact that it does teach those things. It’s truly adding insult to injury. Also I would like a muslim to tell us what “moderate” muslims are doing to correct their fellow muslims instead of coming to sites like this to tell us not to believe our eyes and believe their words instead. That would be nice.
November 15th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Sophie,
Thanks for your copy and paste job of post 3491. You may feel that you “need” people to read what you wrote, but the reality is that it is well documented that Islam is a religion of extreme violence, and that is as prescribed by the Quran itself.
Merely saying in all caps that your (copied) words are “TRUE WORDS” doesn’t make them so. Evidence is required.
Much evidence in support of the violence inherent in Islam has already been presented in this thread; that doesn’t seem to be a point of contention. However, this is a good starting point for further reading for you.
Religion is ridiculous.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Okay, i need every1 here to read this:
DO NOT THINK THAT ISLAM IS ABOUT WAR
Islam is about peace
get ur facts ryt my ppl
and lissen up
… let me just poin sommat out 2 u all
wat in da wrld do u think is acheived by those picture ???
nothing
I MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
dont u see …. these pics dnt reflect the prophet of islam
theyre just pics of nothin
or more lyk pppl bein racist….
Muslims are not terrorist
if all uv seen about islam is that wich is on the media ….
:::>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
..>
>>>>>>>>>> THEN FACE THE FACTS…. MY DEAR FRIENDS<<<<<<<<>>>>
People of the world…..
Do you know the truth about….. Islam?
Or do you think it’s about
Bombing planes and killing innocent people…..?
Forget about the lies…..
I’ am here to tell you how it really is…..
You deserve to know the truth
About this beautiful way of life…..
People of the world
Islam is all about peace
Terrorism it doesn’t teach
Its all about love and family and charity
And praying to one God
This is Islam
It’s something you should know…..
I know it’s really helped me grow
It does away with greed, filth, arrogance
And teaches us morality
A perfect way to live…..
So don’t believe all you see and hear
Too many people wear a title of a Muslim…..
But they don’t practice Islam…..
People of the world
Islam is all about peace
Terrorism it doesn’t teach
Its all about love and family and charity
And praying to one God
This is Islam
And it teaches us the creator’s made this life for us a test…..
And if we follow truth and do good deeds, He’ll reward us in the Next…..
If we remember God & teach each other the truth and patience in His way
Together we can live…..in peace…..
This is Islam
SO REMEMBER
isLAm Is AlL ABOuT PEACe
TErRoRIsN it DOEs NoT tEaCh!!!!!!!
rememBER THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUE WORDS
November 14th, 2008 at 11:57 am
You’ve begun to speak in secret codes:) Or is this your chat language? I could (hardly) understand the general subject. But I don’t know what these are: “ppl”, “troll”, “hu”, “chop”, “ppl’z” etc.
Anyway, I guess, “anon” was defending muslims although he’s a christian. (Or he was claiming so). But “rucker” was not believing him. In fact I wonder why you think he must be a muslim. Only for defending muslims or is there something strange in his English which betrays his real identity?
November 14th, 2008 at 3:52 am
Hey Ruck,
If these pricks had brains made of gunpowder, they wouldn’t have enough to blow their fucking turbans off,lol
November 13th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
For all you non-chumpz a poem by Gwendolyn Brooks:
We Real Cool
We real cool. We
Left school. We
Lurk late. We
Strike straight. We
Sing sin. We
Thin gin. We
Jazz June. We
Die soon.
November 13th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
hai uze, idiotz. uze dnt no wht ur tkng. dat sht iz wrng! whtz a troll? u to stopd 2 chk ur fkts.
ps. spellinz 4 chumpz!
November 13th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
anon - I’m going out a a limb here (not a very long one though)and say you are NOT a Christian nor have you heard any such chant at your school. You’re a muslim troll.
November 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
have any of u stupid ppl stopd 2 chek all da sht dat ur sayin. if u new sht all u’d no islam does not condone violence of ANY kind unless it is absolutely neccessary. these ppl hu chop ppl’z hedz off in da name of islam r not muslims dey just portray a completely misguided picture. i am nt a muslim but even i understand dat da problem is not da pics but da fact dat itz showing da holy p. as a terrorists when he himself never hurt anyone in his life. and hu sed any ting about a holy war. dis iz da 1st i’v herd of it. n in regards 2 all muslims h8in jews n cristians itz a load of bull. most of my frens r muslim n i’m a cristian. in fact my school is full of wite ppl hu chant songs lyk “thro da jews down da well” n u point at muslims. get ur facts rite u idiots.
November 8th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
“So, Gary Glitter likes to have sex with six-year-old girls, doesn’t like having his picture in the papers, and is always insisting that everyone join his gang.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think he’s the reincarnation of the Prophet Mohammed?”
November 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
guzel olmamis, sadece kin var, sanat yok, bir bok yok…
November 7th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
On the fictional “shared culture” of islam and the west that muslims are pushing these days as part of their effort to stop us from examining what islam really is (with some information and insight on why Christianity was able to leave behind its murderous past, even if not their supersitions about virgin birth, etc.):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023422.php#more
November 7th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
“There is a ceasefire in Gaza, but the BBC has found evidence of militant groups preparing for a return to violence. One group, Islamic Jihad, is training female suicide bombers.
Middle East correspondent Paul Wood went to meet a Palestinian woman who has volunteered.
The young, veiled woman was sitting quiet and still as the room bustled around her.
The black flag of Islamic Jihad was pinned on the wall behind her and two Kalashnikovs were carefully placed in camera shot. Her husband, an Islamic Jihad fighter himself, tied on her “martyr’s” headband.
Umm Anas - not her real name - had just graduated from a programme to train female suicide bombers in Gaza.
Our meeting was a highly-orchestrated propaganda event laid on by Islamic Jihad. It was almost theatre - and certainly Israel accuses the Palestinian leadership of manipulating young women like 18-year-old Umm Anas.
Yet, although she nervously twisted her wedding ring, Umm Anas did not appear to be a cipher.
She was articulate - more so than the men staging the event - and she knew her own mind.
Secret ambition
When she spoke of becoming a suicide bomber, Umm Anas’s voice was strong and steady: “This is a gift from God.
“We were created to become martyrs for God,” she continued, her eyes burning behind the full face veil.
I take each step carefully because I know I am going to sacrifice myself
Umm Anas
“All the Palestinian people were created to fight in God’s name. If we just throw stones at the Jews they get scared. Imagine what happens when body parts fly at them.”
The bomb belt which she hopes will end her life - and kill many Israelis - rested on the table next to us.
Her main motivation in becoming a suicide bomber appears to be religious rather than nationalistic - the fulfilment of a long-held ambition. Even getting married recently hadn’t changed her mind.
“When my husband married me, he knew my way of thinking. He knew exactly who I am and based on this he decided to marry me. Marriage doesn’t give me a second’s doubt.”
I asked if that would alter if she became pregnant.
“I would wait until I delivered the baby,” she said. “I would give him to my parents and ask them to look after him… Then I would leave them and the baby would remain behind as a piece of me.”
Her parents, brothers and sisters did not know.
“Martyrs - male or female - have to work in secret. No one can know about it. We have to be careful not to give our parents any sign of what we are about to do.
“Sometimes, maybe, they can tell and see on your face the signs of martyrdom. They are suspicious but they don’t know for certain.”
Ready for death
Umm Anas thinks she knows the manner of her death, but she doesn’t know the timing.
She is waiting for the collapse of the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, the Islamic movement which rules Gaza.
Would-be suicide bomber Umm Anas talks to the BBC
Islamic Jihad accepted the ceasefire, but accuses Israel of readying for another large incursion into Gaza.
Israel meanwhile accuses militant groups of using the pause to refit and rearm.
“There is a clear Zionist decision and trend to end and break the lull,” said an Islamic Jihad spokesman last month.
This, says the organisation, is why it has been running its secret training programme for female suicide bombers. They want to be ready.
Trainees are being prepared to attack invading Israeli soldiers. But would Umm Anas be ready to walk into a restaurant full of civilians, too, and blow herself up?
“Israeli soldiers, of course… are the easier target when they come here, but [I would kill] civilians too because both civilians and soldiers took our land.”
But wouldn’t she have any difficulty killing people not holding a gun? Wouldn’t she feel pity for women and children?
“It is not important because all of them have violated our land. Children are civilians, but they grow up to become soldiers… They are all brought up to hate us. Palestine is only for Palestinians. We must kick them all out in any way we can.”
Propaganda of fear
The use of Palestinian women as suicide bombers was once thought of as immodest - and therefore un-Islamic - but that changed, the militant groups say, because of shortage of male candidates and because women were better able to get close to their targets.
If one nation violates another nation’s land, it is the obligation of everyone - men, women, and children - to fight back
Marwan Abu Ras, Muslim Scholars Association
That’s the official explanation, but female bombers also have much greater propaganda impact.
Their participation in suicide attacks was made possible by religious rulings in Gaza.
Chairman of the Muslim Scholars Association Marwan Abu Ras told the BBC there were many precedents in Islamic history for women joining military operations.
“We do not encourage death,” he said. “Islam prohibits you from harming yourself, even to cause a small cut in your finger, but now we are fighting a war of resistance.
“If one nation violates another nation’s land, it is the obligation of everyone - men, women, and children - to fight back.”
Finally, I asked Umm Anas if she was ever able to put out of her mind what she was about to do.
“I never stop thinking of this,” she said.
“I take each step carefully because I know I am going to sacrifice myself. Martyrs must pray all the time. They must fast.
“There are many duties to perform before we are ready to face God. I am trying not to make any mistakes so that I do not miss this opportunity.”
If ever there was proof needed that these ragheaded lunatics should be shot on sight, then this is it!!!!!
November 7th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
This sounds about right (from Daniel Pipes):
There is no Muslim state or society, no polity or people, who have developed on their own, without relying — as was done for many centuries — on the wealth to be extracted from local non-Muslims under Muslim rule, that is, by means of the Jizyah. Nowadays, Muslim states have two ways of getting wealth: from oil and gas, that is, from a mere accident of geology, or from the aid they manage to keep extracting from Infidels, though not ever from their rich fellows in the Umma. And Muslims in the welfare states of Western Europe have also managed to exploit to the hilt, and then some, the generous benefits set up by, and paid for by, Infidel taxpayers. Muslims in France, Great Britain and elsewhere have free education and health care at levels never attained in any Muslim state, and free or low-cost subsidized housing, and even family allowances. The transfer of wealth in the countries of Western Europe from Infidel taxpayers to Muslim recipients of such aid is staggering. Not as staggering, however, as the amounts spent on the transfer of wealth from Infidel oil-consuming nations to the Muslim oil-producers. Since 1973 alone, that amounts to about eleven trillion dollars.
And what have the Arabs and Muslims done with it? Some skyscrapers and thousands of private palaces. Not a single factory or farm that is competitive with anything in the outside world. And economies still completely dependent on foreign wage-slaves.
That’s the economic development made possible by Islam.
November 6th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Women in islam, so honored, so freed by islam, so much happier than poor unveiled western sluts. And this joker does not even blink an eye at teh fact that the question is about wives AND WOMEN SLAVES!
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/33597
November 6th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
…The first rule of Fight Club…
November 5th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Just think what they might do if they weren’t so tolerant of other religious. They might even kill people who believe differently - o, that’s right, they DO.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-11-05-islam-magazine_N.htm
October 31st, 2008 at 1:16 am
“Muslim artist gets death threats
Sarah Maple has attracted criticism from some Muslims
A Muslim artist exhibiting her work at a west London gallery, has received death threats via email.
Staff at SaLon gallery in Notting Hill said they had received violent emails about Ms Maple, 23, and her family.
The glass front of the gallery has also been smashed with staff receiving abusive phone calls since the start of her exhibition on 16 October.
Some sections of the Muslim community have criticised her in the past for her portrayal of her religion.
One work showed a woman in a headscarf holding a pig.”
The muslim nazis at work again!!, proving to the world their intolerance.
muslimwoman, your example of churches in your city doesn’t really count, because turkey isn’t an islamic country in the true sense, it’s secular by LAW.
You are a very lucky woman, you have a hell of a lot more freedom than your sisters in the middle east!!
Some islamic countries would have you publicly whipped just for posting on a forum like this.
October 30th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
All that anyone needs to realise is, that Religion is MAN MADE!!!
There was organisms, then Dinosaurs, then cave-men, then us.
Before Christianity and Islam and any others..there was paganism, Zoroastrianism and Hinduism (which dates back to 1,500 BCE).
JUDAISM is the world’s oldest, a religion of just one people, ie; The Jews.
Christianity began with the teachings of Jesus Christ around 30 C.E., and Islam started in 610 C.E. with the prophet Muhammad’s revelation. Which muslims will hate to believe because they think thier ’story’ is the best.
All this religion thing was a fad. People believe Scientology is the true way, for crying out loud!
‘Muslim Woman’, your arguement is admirable, however, moot.
This forum seems to escalate to muslims damning or vainly trying to justify a barbaric and archaic religion against (for the moment) maybe 3 or 4 like minded, strong thinkers that refuse to be blinded by blanket propaganda that Islam is essentially a ‘good’ religion.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:05 am
I want to answer “infidel”’s previous question. I don’t know how many churchs there are in ?ran, Saudi or Afghanistan but I can say that there are 16 churchs in my city (8 of which are in the center) today. In fact, the second of the seven churchs which have been mentioned in the Bible is in my city center. Also the first and the third ones are in the towns of my city. In history, 85 % of the population has been formed from Europians, Jews and Armenians. Because of this, the city has been named as “infidel xxxxx”. Later this nickname was sticked to the city permanently.Today either having a lot of churchs or having citizens who live away from radical Muslim traditions cause this beautiful city still to be named as “infidel xxxxx” although it’s not infidel…
Besides I want to talk about a book which was written in 1994 by a Turkish man (lawyer, journalist and television announcer) being named as “The Quran, islam, Ataturk and the miracle of the number 19″. He had been an atheist before but later after analyzing the Quran he began to believe it. But by interpreting it completely according to his own mind! He says that: —Sorry for the translation but this is a Turkish book and I will try to translate myself—
“In the Quran, God says that the heaven is full of virgins, green fields, cold water etc. God had to describe the heaven so because the Arabian society were like 3 years old children in terms of ignorance then. For ex,if you have a 3 years old child and he doesn’t want to eat his meal, how do you convince him to eat? He doesn’t understand anything if you say,(Eat your meal so that the protein in it will develop your cells and the calcium will make your bones stronger). Instead of this, you’ll have to say (eat your meal so that I’ll take you to the amusement park otherwise I may punish you). But when the child becomes 20, if you say the same things, you become ridiculous. God had to talk according to the ignorant Arabian society so that they could understand. Think about the hot (50 degrees) Arabian climate. Arabic men swelter. They can hardly find water to drink. They have already soft spots for women (especially for virgins). Because of this, God talked in a language which they could understand.If the Quran had comed to Finland instead of Arabia, God would describe the hell so for ex: “There are huge icebergs. People will be put upon these icebergs naked and also poured cold water on them”.
And another point: God says that rivers are flowing under the heaven. Notice the word “under the heaven”. And notice that rivers are not flowing “inside the heaven but “under the heaven”! Because the spirit (soul) is an energy. It rises (goes up) by death as its frequency increases. And in the level of such spirits, a zone which glitters in sunshine just like “a river”!!! forms. Bad sences can’t access to the spirits of this level. There begins a period away from the bad effects. This is “the river”! The upper of this “river” is full of only good sences. And this is “the heaven”!..”
Also according to my own opinion, heaven must be a symbolic place in which there are no virgins, no wine –how can there be wine if wine is forbidden in this world!—, no rivers, no cold water etc. Maybe we won’t have even bodies but only souls. So all these must be only symbols! (Note that they have been written 1400 years ago).
Of course I believe in the Quran but as this author and also Prf. Dr. Yasar Nuri Ozturk says, the Quran’s Turkish translation needs reinterpreting.
I glanced at a Turkish forum a few days ago.A woman asks: “Are there men for us there, too?” The answer is: “No, you’ll only have your husband. “What will be if he goes to the hell, I go to the heaven?” “Then you’ll given another husband.” Another question: “I can’t share my husband with 72 virgins, I’m jealous.”. The answer is: “Don’t worry, you’ll look more beautiful than them, so your husband doesn’t look at them”!
Like a joke! We probably need to be clarified as soon as possible…
October 30th, 2008 at 8:08 am
You are quite right as usual ruck!!
October 29th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
infidel - whatever it is, the USA will probably help more than any other nation and will still be vilified as the great satan. That’s the general pattern. Ever look into who gives more in aid to islamic countries, the USA or other islamic countries? Eye-opening. Ever wonder why the muslim countries full of so-called (because there was never a country call palestine)palestinian refugees will not let them become citizens? Could it be because the situation with Israel is not about land but about the islamic mandate to kill all the Jooos?
October 29th, 2008 at 11:08 am
“At least 160 people have been killed after an earthquake of 6.4 magnitude hit Balochistan province in south-western Pakistan, officials say.
Officials in Balochistan say they expect the toll to rise.”
Could this be allah punishing the pakis for allowing sanctuary to terrorists and murderers???
October 28th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/209.pdf
http://www.investigativeproject.org/article/797
No comment.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
“y dont we all just respect each other’s religions and live with it?”
Because islam does NOT respect other religions, the west has lots of mosques, but how many christian churches do you see in iran, saudi, afghanistan, etc,etc.
Because muslims are regularly murdering christians all over the world
October 28th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Minavar - I agree with you. If we respected eachother’s religions, there would already be no problem.
rucker - May you recover soon (as you’ve catched cold)
And… Who says there are nobody blaming these terrorists, telling them that they are misinterpreting the Quran’s and also Prophet Mohammed’s (PBUH) words? Of course there are people trying. But it’s very difficult to show them the facts and make them change their minds or it’s too late now as their brains have been already washed and poisoned. Please check these:
http://www.yasarnuriozturk.com/kimdir_english.html
http://www.yasarnuriozturk.com/dunyabasini_eng.html
October 28th, 2008 at 10:36 am
And to fuck you: You seem to have run out of ideas there, buddy. Could that be because religion discourages thinking?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Well Minavar, just a reminder:
To quote Ibn Warraq:
A culture that gave the world the novel; the music of Mozart, Beethoven, and Schubert; and the paintings of Michelangelo, da Vinci, and Rembrandt does not need lessons from societies whose idea of heaven, peopled with female virgins, resembles a cosmic brothel. Nor does the West need lectures on the superior virtue of societies in which women are kept in subjection under sharia, endure genital mutilation, are stoned to death for alleged adultery, and are married off against their will at the age of nine; societies that deny the rights of supposedly lower castes; societies that execute homosexuals and apostates. The West has no use for sanctimonious homilies from societies that cannot provide clean drinking water or sewage systems, that make no provisions for the handicapped, and that leave 40 to 50 percent of their citizens illiterate.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Fuck you mother fucka
October 28th, 2008 at 4:52 am
“The West is BETTER than the islamic world. It has given the world far more than islam can ever give the world.”
um…for your info…universities were frst created by MUSLIMS in Spain. Muslims also gave alot to modern medicine, and Ibn-Sina’s book on the human anatomy was still being used in universities last time i checked.
everyone else….seriously, it’s like a bloody ‘religious’ childish fight. y dont we all just respect each other’s religions and live with it?
October 27th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Hi Muslim Woman - Again I am short on time right now, but you said:
“Maybe someday I have to show you the parts in the Quran which blesses Jesus, Musa and the other prophets so that you can believe that the terrorism can’t have taken root from the Quran…”
I know those parts too. But as for saying that terrorism can’t have taken root from the Quran, then why do ALL the Muslim terrorists quote from it and why are there no Muslims telling THEM they are misinterpreting? Always it is the people who are reporting Muslim terrorism who are blamed for associating terrorism with Islam, but it is actually the murderers who are quoting Islam to justify their acts - and their justifications seem well founded in Islam. A Muslim like yourself has to ignore all the passages that tell Muslims to strike terror in non-believers and strike them on their necks (behead).
Instead, what we see is Muslims outraged by CARTOONS, rioting and killing and threatening to kill over DRAWINGS but we never hear of demonstrations against terrorism. In fact, what we see is Muslims rejoicing over terrorist acts. Christians have had equally insulting works created about them, and they don’t riot or kill or burn things.
You have a very bad image problem, and until the millions of Muslims who claim they reject terrorism take to the streets to protest it, the rest of us will continue to mistrust Muslims -and rightly so.
You also said “I only want to say, christians justified these verses by publishing these Danish caricatures and the video of Geert Wilders (Fitna).” You have that kind of backwards, right? The verses came before the cartoons and Fitna by about 1400 years. And we have a right to report on what Muslims who wish to destroy us are doing. Have you seen Fitna? Are the Muslims in there not using islam to justify their acts? So how is it our wrong to report that? Also, one thing that Muslims and some believers in other faiths forget is that most of us in the west value free speech more than religion. And that is a good thing. And most of the people posting criticisms of Islam here are atheists, not Christians or Jews.
I have a cold right now, so I am not writing as clearly as I would like. But I look forward to hearing from you again.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
rucker - I’m glad now to see that at least someone’s begun to understand what I’m saying. Thanks… And I’m also saying that I’m not the only Muslim in the world who has transcended the religion to that degree. Believe me there are millions of such people here.
–If you think Turkey has a population of 70 millions, (not all of them of course but still) there must be really millions of people who are living according to the principles of moderate islam.–
First of all, you can be sure that they are certainly against to all types of terrorism. They have already been hurt deeply because of the PKK terror in the southeast of Turkey, how can they support terrorism?
Besides these people are living just like you.They are taking alcohol, dancing, flirting.. Their women are being dressed as yours, studying, attending university, taking up a profession, working, earning money, travelling etc.
Yes, you’re right to say “thanks to Ataturk”, that’s true of course…
The forces of islam are on the rise here nowadays but the forces of the “real islam” is not something to be frightened.I mean this terrorism can’t be the result of our prophet, the holly Muhammed or the Quran. It must be the result of the misinterpretion of Quran’s and also Muhammed’s words by some malicious men. In fact neither the Quran nor the holly Muhammed provokes the terrorism. For ex also polygamy is the result of the misinterpretation of Muhammed’s marriages. Some kind of men always interpretes something as they suit their purposes. Arabic men already had 10-15 women (the total number of wives and concubines), islamic rules limited this and reduced the number down to max.4. And besides think of the war years. Women had loosed their husbands and stayed alone without money. The ethic level have been already squalid before islam. What would happen to these women then? The rule of “having max. 4 wives” was made to protect the women in fact, as one man could marry 4 women so that no women would stay alone, otherwise no doubt prostitution would be widespread. But this doesn’t mean “everybody must have 4 wives”. This is reducing the number from 10-15 to 4 in fact. Please notice this. But what happened later? Some malicious men used this, too. Even today some rich men tries to have 4 women by claiming that the Quran demands this! Ridiculous of course! Maybe islamic countries are really paradises for these kind of men. As long as we misinterpret everything “purposely”, islam will naturally have a bad reputation… (By the way, Turkish laws certainly forbit polygamy)
In brief I’m saying: Christians, Jews and we have the same God. There’s not “my God, your God”. There’s only one God to worship. Religions are only means of worship. What does it matter if I go to the mosque and you go to the church or the synagogue? They are all God’s houses. What does it matter if I read the Quran and you read the Bible or the Torah? They are all God’s books. What does it matter if we believe in the holly Muhammed, you believe in Jesus or Musa? They are all God’s holly prophets. Maybe someday I have to show you the parts in the Quran which blesses Jesus, Musa and the other prophets so that you can believe that the terrorism can’t have taken root from the Quran…
October 26th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Muslim woman -you deserve more of an answer than I have time for right now, but I will say I wish all muslims would transcend their religion to at least the degree you seem to have done. I think that might be because you’re Turkish and thanks to Ataturk, the influence of islam in your life was attenuated. But beware, the forces of islam that will put you in our place again are on the rise in Turkey, as you no doubt know.
October 25th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
lan orosbu çocuklar? bac?s?n? siktiklerim ne lan bu!!! yak???rm? lan bu insanl?ga gerisini siz düsünün ulan hepinizin yaptiklar? cezasiz kalm?yacak ororsbunun evlatlar????????!!!! hee bide sunu unuttum siz dionuzki isa allah?n o?lu ha siktir lan!danalar at?nda küçük at?n!! :D
October 25th, 2008 at 10:58 am
“rucker -and other friends- I’m not here for defending the things written ( or challenged to be written) in the Quran”
Thats because you CAN’T defend those things muslim woman!!
You say terrorists are not “REAL” muslims and are in a minority.
If that’s true, why aren’t muslim countries tracking down terrorist murderers and punishing them??, Why aren’t muslim clerics issueing FATWAS against terrorism???.
If you are sincere muslim woman, then let’s see you condemn the taleban, hezbollah, hamas, the muslim brotherhood, al queda, right here on this forum!!!!!!
October 25th, 2008 at 9:55 am
rucker -and other friends- I’m not here for defending the things written ( or challenged to be written) in the Quran. I can even write here some other verses then:
* Unless you get their religion, neither Jews nor Christians are pleased with you… (Bakara)
* Don’t make friends with Jews and Christians. They are friends of each other. Who makes friends with (even) one of them is accepted as to be merged in them. (Maide)
I only want to say, christians justified these verses by publishing these Danish caricatures and the video of Geert Wilders (Fitna). Although we never disregarded the Bible and Jesus as Jesus is an especially holly prophet for us who will come to end the life on the judgement day, who had special abilities like vitalizing dead people,
–and all these are written in Quran, too.. Why don’t you say these as you’re only talking about death, pigs etc..Why don’t you say that the Quran accepts and respects all the prophets and jewishness and also christianity. I think you have to state these, too.—
we were shocked about these mockeries. Is it not natural? Why don’t you think we can be hurt about such things? Today I’ve loosed all my hope about “friends” with non-muslims already. It’s probably over. What a pity!..
Besides female virginity is related with traditions here not with islam in fact. A woman can choose to save herself for her husband and that musn’t be something to be surprised so much. This is a respectable choice only. And if she doesn’t choose this, believe me noone lapidates her here…. By the way, girls are not being forced to be married in early ages. For ex, I’ve married when I was 27 after I graduated from university with my own desire of course… One more thing: We’re not willing to kill all the Jews! At least I’m not! I cannot even to watch the films named “Schindler’s List” or “The Last Train” without tears because of the despair I feel for Jews but you tell about killing Jews! In fact the problem is that you identify all the Muslims. But people are different as character and “every sheep is hanged by its own leg”. (Turkish proverb)…
I mean all the Muslims are not living as you think they do. Have you ever seen especially the western Turkey? Istanbul, Ankara, Izm?r? And have you ever been entertained with Turkish hospitality? Maybe you have to. So you can change your negative thoughts about Muslims (and also Turks) perhaps. In fact we don’t hate you but you hate us.. When I look at the christian comments, I can only see hatred. Bitter…
October 24th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Muslim woman - But so much of what you are saying is not true in the real world. Do you think we can’t read the newspaper, the koran, the hadith? So, as to your love of Christians and Jews, please explain how you can love them when islam teaches that Christians and Jews are the children of pigs and apes and that the day of judgment cannot come until muslims have killed all the Jews - which the rocks and trees will help with by telling muslims that Jews are hiding behind them. Just explain that one point please, can you?
October 24th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
I’m proud of being a Turkish and Muslim woman. You Jews and Christians are wrong at your thoughts. We don’t hate christians and Jews, on the contrary we love them. Every Muslim is not the same. There are good people and bad people everywhere. Hitler was a christian, wasn’t he? But we don’t think all the christians are like Hitler! You don’t have to think all of us as Usame bin Ladin. We are not killers!
We love you in fact but why are you insisting on mocking at our religious assets?
I read both Quran and Bible. I respect all the holly prophets and books. I love Jews and christians as well as muslims. (And the real islam demands this)… Can’t you really do the same? You don’t loose anything if you do.
Let’s try to respect to each other, that’s all…
Besides all the muslim women are not wearing black chador or turban… For ex, the great leader Ataturk’s Turkey is full of modern women and Turkey is not directed with the islamic law. We are Muslims but not monsters. Please notice these and try to understand us (at least once)…
October 23rd, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Well, Marc, the muslims are on your side with at least one of the groups you want to eliminate:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/23/michael-coren-the-jihad-on-egypt-s-christians.aspx
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 am
To hell with Mecca. Jerusalem is at the core of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Mecca is basically the Muslim equivalent of the Vatican. They are holy cities but not THE holy city. It’s much easier to nuke one city than two or three anyway.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:17 am
Don’t forget marc that mecca would need nuking as well!!!
October 23rd, 2008 at 7:33 am
It’d be real nice if someone would surround Jerusalem with, say, 5 nukes in a pentacle-like geometric lay-out and blast the thing into non-existence. I think it’d go a long way to solving ALOT of problems. Best case scenario is that with their Holy City destroyed all of these nuts loose faith in their paper gods. After all, no Holy City, no final prophecies can be fulfilled, and no end-time fervor and fear.
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:32 pm
I love it when clowns like “piss on cross” think that mocking the dumb christians will make him feel better.
Note to Muslims:
YOU’RE ALL STUPID MORONS, JUST MORE VIOLENT THAN THE STUPID CHRISTIANS AND RETARDED JEWS
If only they would all die together in an AIDS fire.
October 18th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
To “piss on cross”
You are obviously an expert on shit, as a raghead, you’ve lived in it all your life, your countries are open toilets, and you all have shit for brains!!.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
i wander, if jesus would die in shit, what would christians (shittians) wear around the neck :d :d :d and the churches would be full of what : D :D :D
October 17th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
To quote Ibn Warraq:
A culture that gave the world the novel; the music of Mozart, Beethoven, and Schubert; and the paintings of Michelangelo, da Vinci, and Rembrandt does not need lessons from societies whose idea of heaven, peopled with female virgins, resembles a cosmic brothel. Nor does the West need lectures on the superior virtue of societies in which women are kept in subjection under sharia, endure genital mutilation, are stoned to death for alleged adultery, and are married off against their will at the age of nine; societies that deny the rights of supposedly lower castes; societies that execute homosexuals and apostates. The West has no use for sanctimonious homilies from societies that cannot provide clean drinking water or sewage systems, that make no provisions for the handicapped, and that leave 40 to 50 percent of their citizens illiterate.
October 17th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/who%e2%80%99s-sleeping-more-deeply-%e2%80%94-europe-or-america/
October 17th, 2008 at 12:02 am
How do you get an Arab woman pregnant?
Cum all over her feet and let the flies do the rest!
October 16th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Hugh Fitzgerald on CAIR, the primary mouthpiece of jihad in America. For those unfamiliar with them, CAIR stands for Council on American islamic Relations. Note the hubris of equating islam with a sovereign nation.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023127.php#more
October 16th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
“Islam is the name of a way of life which the Creator wants us to follow. We avoid the word religion because in many non-Islamic societies, there is a separation of “religion and state.” This separation is not recognized at all in Islam: the Creator is very much concerned with all that we do, including the political, social, economic, and other aspects of our society. Hence, Islam is a complete way of life.”
That’s from the Muslim Student group at the University of Southern California. Read the whole depressing and alarming thing.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html
This is what islam in America means. These are college-educated muslims. It is posted on the University’s website. And this is what they think of our American liberties. This is no time to be debating whether or not god is real. This is the time to begin to resist the stealth jihad against America specifically and Western Civilization in general that many, many muslims are involved in. The West is BETTER than the islamic world. It has given the world far more than islam can ever give the world. The West is worth defending. Western Civilization is the best that humanity has produced as a way of life. We need to stand up and make sure it survives.
October 13th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Sieht doch gut aus, besonders der 1. hat irgendwie was von meinem Nachbarn(oder der welcher über mir oder unter mir wohnt?), wenn ich nur wüsste was der immer labbert aber wenn der so ein Bild im Kopf hat kann seine Meinung ja so schlimm nicht sein.
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October 9th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
….uh, yeah. You know, I’ve never thought of it that way!
October 9th, 2008 at 1:56 am
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October 8th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Mate, they don’t get it… This is the ‘freedom’ they want to abolish!
LISTEN UP MONKEYS!!! I DON’T WANT TO JOIN YOUR FUCKED UP ‘RELIGION/CULT’ I WANT TO LIVE MY WAY!
FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR BOOK OF WAR AND FUCK YOUR PEDOPHILE PIG-FUCKING PROPHET!
October 8th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
“PLEASE READ LAST AND THE RIGHT WAYS BOOK KORAN EVEN ONE TIME.”
I HAVE read the koran sariyunus, and i STILL think its a load of bullshit!!!
October 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
PLEASE READ 10.PART(SURAH) 82,83,84…..92TH VERSES(ÂYET)
FOR JESUS’S DESIRE!!!
IF YOU CANT FIND,PLEASE READ I AM WRITING DOWN :
082 And Allah will vindicate the Truth by His words, however much the guilty be averse.
083 But none trusted Moses, save some scions of his people, (and they were) in fear of Pharaoh and their chiefs, that he would persecute them. Lo! Pharaoh was verily a tyrant in the land, and lo! he verily was of the wanton.
084 And Moses said: O my people! If ye have believed in Allah then put trust in Him, if ye have indeed surrendered (unto Him)!
085 They said: In Allah we put trust. Our Lord! Oh, make us not a lure for the wrongdoing folk;
086 And, of Thy mercy, save us from the folk that disbelieve.
087 And We inspired Moses and his brother, (saying): Appoint houses for your people in Egypt and make your houses oratories, and establish worship. And give good news to the believers.
088 And Moses said: Our Lord! Lo! Thou hast given Pharaoh and his chiefs splendour and riches in the life of the world, Our Lord! that they may lead men astray from Thy way. Our Lord! Destroy their riches and harden their hearts so that they believe not till they see the painful doom.
089 He said: Your prayer is heard. Do ye twain keep to the straight path, and follow not the road of those who have no knowledge.
090 And We brought the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh with his hosts pursued them in rebellion and transgression, till, when the (fate of) drowning overtook him, he exclaimed: I believe that there is no God save Him in Whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of those who surrender (unto Him).
091 What! Now! When hitherto thou hast rebelled and been of the wrong-doers ?
092 But this day We save thee in thy body that thou mayst be a portent for those after thee. Lo! most of mankind are heedless of Our portents.
PLEASE BELIVE ALLAH.PLEASE I AM NOT DESIRING FOR MYSELF.THIS IS JUST FOR YOURSELVES.AND NEVER FORGET IT; JESUS IS CRYING REASON OF YOU,BECAUSE YOU SWERVED FROM THE RIGHT SIDE!!!!!
ALLAH MAY HELP YOU ALL.inshaAllah…
PLEASE READ LAST AND THE RIGHT WAYS BOOK KORAN EVEN ONE TIME.
P L E A S E for JESUS PROPHET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
My word POA - do you know what you have done by inking to those pictures? I have already heard reports that the Southern Baptist Convention has issued a call for your death. The Methodist are sharpening their knives, and the Lutherans have stoned 6 women to punish you! With Christians murdering people every day, I admire your courage!
Anybody else here ever watch Pat Condell over on YouTube? Not rigorous refutations of religious superstition, but he uses another great weapon: Laughter and Mockery. Check him out.
October 6th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
..and another one for good measure..
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/c1/Mohommadfuckingpig.jpg
October 6th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Funny you should say that, infidel… I wrote something along the EXACT same lines on here yesterday, published it…but without my details…so it erased it. Couldn’t be bothered doing it again… so here’s something for shits and giggles (and to piss off the camel jockeys)..
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/5/55/Jesus-does-Muhammad.jpg
October 5th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Ottoman you fool, EVERYBODYS going to die sooner or later, but you ragheads are so scared of death that your mohammed invented that wonderful paradise to fool all you idiots!!.
There IS NO old man allah in the sky!!!
There IS NO paradise with lots of virgins
There IS NO satan
It’s ALL in your imagination.
October 5th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Im a Muslim, you will see soon what will be.. God is can seening that.. and God will ask you when will you die… i dont say more about that.. you will die soon or later but i swear you will die! than what will you answer….
October 4th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Q. How do you know when a muslim boy becomes a man??
A. When the diaper goes from his ass to his head
October 4th, 2008 at 9:31 am
YEAH RIGHT ruck, lol
October 3rd, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Because we all know that women are respected in islam and the headscarf elevates them.
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=13378&size=A
September 30th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
right on ruck!!, problem is, the dickheads who are in denial are in positions of power, by the time they wise up it could be too late!!
September 30th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Hi infidel - I agree that reason, etc., won’t affect the murderers and savages who follow the dictates of islam. I meant in order to convince others who are in denial about the threat of islam in the modern world and who will resist listening if they think the speaker is just calling names. But, I truly understand the desire to do so!
I’ve read the Choudary remarks myself and am as appalled as you. And here’s a little something from Aytollah Khomeini, the leader of the islamic “revolution” in Iran, a “man” widely admired in the islamic world.
“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…. Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
How’s that for “straight from the camel’s mouth”? Same guy who has advised muslim men on how to have sex with one year old infants.
September 30th, 2008 at 4:01 am
You speak words of wisdom Ruck, lol, unfortunately, reason, enlightenment, and humanity are no defence against murderous savages, read the comments of one of the leading muslim shitheads in the UK.
“On the acceptability of killing non-Muslims
In a BBC interview Choudary was asked why he would not say with Omar Bakri Mohammed, “I condemn the killing of innocent people.” Choudary replied,
At the end of the day, when we say “innocent people” we mean “Muslims”. As far as non-Muslims are concerned, they have not accepted Islam. As far as we are concerned, that is a crime against God.[36]”
“Conversion of the UK to an Islamic State
Speaking a conference on September 11th, 2008 in London, Choudary, referring to the high birth rate of Muslims, stated that “It may be by pure conversion that Britain will become an Islamic state. We may never need to conquer it from the outside.”. He also stated that “We do not integrate into Christianity. We will ensure that one day you will integrate into the Sharia Islamic law.”. [38]
It is of note that these statements were not reported by the BBC.”
So you see Ruck, the only answer to these fanatics is Mr 7.62mm, or Mr 5.56mm, lol.
It’s only a matter of time!!!
September 29th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
A good article on one of those un-islamic barbarities that are so widespread in islamic countries. And one of the commentors reminded me of something I had forgotten: Female Genital Mutilation was condoned by mohammed himself when he advised not to “take too much”. Gruesome man, that one.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/does-islam-justify-honor-killings/
September 28th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Speaking of books and islam, this just in:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/3086474/Iran-launches-book-mocking-Holocaust-victims.html
Gotta love those wacky muslims - they do so much of the work for those of us who are concerned about the threat they pose to the world.
September 28th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
No, infidel, that’s not all they can do or will do. Here’s an example of what they can and will do:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022877.php#comments
And that is a book that is trying portray mohammed’s rape of Aisha at age 9 in a good light! (O, and the novelist, to make the story more palatable to people who consider child molestation abhorrent, makes Aisha 11 years old, as if that is old enough for sex.) So why exactly are muslims willing to kill, yet again, over a book when it is pro-mo? Could it be that they know how disgusting mo is as a standard of conduct? That seems almost too much to hope for.
And they have far worse up their sleeves. But please don’t sink to their name calling level. Remember, western culture is superior to muslim culture in all ways and it is worth defending using its strong suits: Reason, Humanism, Enlightenment values, the rule of HUMANE law, etc. Laughter and reason are better weapons than name calling. Though I do understand how their arrogance grates on one. Still, you have noticed I assume how they never have any reasoned response to any of the criticism they so richly deserve.
Speaking of arrogance, I saw a woman in the tent thing today, and I realized again how insulting that garb is. It not only screams “I am superior to you and refuse to become part of your society” as well as the obvious oppression of women in islamic “society”, it also insults the women of my family and no doubt yours. I think of my grandmother, for example, who muslims would consider immodest, a slut. My grandmother! Your mother! Your sisters! All sluts. That is what the tent says. A woman from India in a sari, or a Japanese woman in a kimono, I just find it charming. The tent, I find insulting and one day it will have to be banned.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
hey ben, that the best you can do???,
BTW, i’m not a christian you sad prick!!
September 26th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
And FUCK YOU TOO!!!! christian, fuck you with a huge pig cock!!
September 25th, 2008 at 10:42 am
And FUCK YOU TOO!!!! musliman, fuck you with a huge pig cock!!
September 25th, 2008 at 9:34 am
jebo vam enver hoda mame vase
i dont now why you lafing to muslimans
ps: fuck you all
adolf hitlar hahahaha jebem vas usta sve hihihi napusi te se svi hehe ahahaa
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 am
YOU, hakan are just a dribbling FUCKING IDIOT!!!!
what do you think you gained by posting all that shit???
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:39 pm
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GOTT IST EINMALIG, HZ.MUHAMMED i
September 21st, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Ah, another reasoned, cogent response from a muslim.
Korgan - That sort of thing is going on in Europe too. No-go muslim zones, sharia courts with the force of law, non-muslims forbidden to keep pig trinkets on their desks at work or eat and drink in front of muslims during ramadamadingdong, the children’s book Three Little Pigs banned from school because it is offensive to muslims.
September 21st, 2008 at 8:24 am
Just another load of raghead shit!!, hehehehehe
September 21st, 2008 at 7:00 am
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September 20th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
rucker, re that news item of Turkey banning Richard Dawkin’s site, that’s a frightening cave-in to religious freakery. State and church seem to be moving closer together there.
I wonder if Turkey bans RF too, but if they do, it’s not very effective given the number of posts here apparently from Turkey.
Turkish friends, maybe you can make use of various proxy servers such as on this list http://www.proxy4free.com/ or many others (google on “public anonymous proxy server list”) to step around the ban. Not sure if that will work.
September 20th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
For Richard Dawkins fans (and those who think “moderate” Turkey belongs in the EU).
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/260062
September 20th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Thanks again, POA.
Here is an update on stealth jihad in America:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jSMqYYwyYqa8jU4a4JVO-zAX5kcQD93A3RP80
And a related response:
http://www.borderfirereport.net/latest/tancredo-proposes-anti-sharia-measure-in-wake-of-u.k.-certification-of-islamic-courts.html
September 18th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
I hear you..
The most frustrating thing about all of this, is that all the other ‘moderate’ or ‘family value’ muslims are on their high-horse about “Not all muslims are terrorists!” bullshit, but yet at the same time they are not doing anyting to stop their muslim brothers and sisters from committing these atrocities.
It’s as if you’re looking at someone while they are hitting you, and they’re saying to you “I’m not doing this”
It is abhorrent.. And Rucker, I find your retoric concise, exact and eloquent. Hat’s off to you.
September 18th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Thanks, POA. I think everyone else is avoiding feeding the troll - as they think of me. But I really can’t care. We are under seige and attack by muslims and we all best wake up to it.
Check out the goings on at the Swift meat packing plants as just one aspect of stealth jihad against the US. Check out the truth about CAIR.
Or think of the “moderate” peaceful muslims who have posted here, like Muslimboy, for example. A seemingly decent, nice young man (unless HE’s the troll)with an education and apparently living in the USA who nonetheless has argued here that sharia law is “harsh but fair”. You know, stoning, amputation, beheading for “crimes” that in the west would be misdemeanors if they were crimes at all. Believe me, once sharia law arrivs, there will be no more glass bead games, such as are played here, allowed.
September 17th, 2008 at 12:32 am
Well said, Rucker!
Here, Here!
September 16th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Well, xmech, you still have not addressed important aspects of my post.
For example, you stated that muslims did not invade countries and did not kill for land, even though it is a matter of record that muslims did do exactly that. It looks like you admit that now. And if you admit it, please explain how it is that you either did not know that or lied about it. Then explain how it was OK for mulsims to do that but not for Europeans in America to do that. Not that I condone either case.
Why didn’t you address the fact that you misrepresented the koran verse about killing by not quoting the whole verse?
The ottoman empire is gone, xmech, even though you speak of it as though it were still in existence. But the church Hagia Sofia is still a mosque as it has been since muslims stole Constantinople from Christians (filling the streets with blood in the process) and made it a muslim city. Muslims are currently demanding that areas of Spain once occupied by muslim invaders must revert to islamic status, but no one is offering to give Hagia Sofia back to the Christians.
And what does longevity count for anyway? If it did count, then Christianity would be better than islam because it has been around longer, and Judaism would be even better than Christianity or islam because it’s been around the longest. By your argument, Judaism is better than islam. I agree, but I am surprised to hear you admit it.
And more on the monuments and values being intact. First, not all monuments have been left intact by muslims. A recent example would be the destruction of the statutes of the Buddha in Afghanistan which were destroyed by muslims because they were not un-islamic. Currently muslims in Bologna are demanding that a church destroy a fresco hundreds of years old because it shows mohammed burning in hell. And Italy is not even a muslim country.
But some things have been left intact, like some values. For example, muslims always tell us that female genital mutilation is un-islamic and that muslims deplore it. But muslims never explain how it is that after 1000 years of being islamic countries these customs (values) still exist. Not only exist but are widespread. There are a lot of values like that that muslims have never bothered to eradicate. So if they are not islamic, they are at least tolerated by muslims.
Maybe this from history will help you understand what I mean: When the British took over India, the practice of suttee was widespread. Suttee was the practice of widows throwing themselves or, often, being thrown alive on to the funeral pyres of their dead husbands. The English (who were overwhelmingly Christian) outlawed the practice because they recognized its barbarity. Before that India was ruled by mulsims for hundreds of years, but they did nothing about the practice. Today suttee is virtually unknown because of Christian Brits. Why have muslims not done the same in the cases of child brides, genital mutilation, the veil (which muslims claim is un-islamic when it is convenient for them to say so and religiously mandated when it serves their purposes to say that), polygamy, and so on.
When non-muslims talk about women being raped by all the males in their villages as punishment for their brother’s or their father’s crimes, we are told that it is un-islamic. But it is common practice throughout Pakistan, for example, which is a muslim country that, even though it is just over 50 years old, is nonetheless populated by people who are descended from 100 generations of muslims in the area. So even though it is un-islamic, nothing is done about it. In fact, it is apparently usually ordered by the local islamic authorities.
“When it comes to impostors, it is know that some agents were given task to gain sincerity with some not well educated believers to create misconceptions and undermine Islamic reputation.
Dig around your CIA archives I am sure you will have some evidence.”
It is known by whom? Where is your proof? Really this is just another standard argument put forth by some mulsims: islam’s bad reputation is the fault of the USA, the Jooos, “islamophobes”, racists, etc. Never is it the fault of the muslims who are murdering people or islam which provides the texts that the murderers use to justify their murders. You seem to want to blame poor education for people being led astray by “imposters”. But what about the doctors in the UK who recently tried to firebomb several targets? Were they poorly educated? And what about the 19 muslims who murdered more than 3000 Americans on 9/11/2001? They all had decent educations. In fact, studies show that suicide murderers in the west are educated and employed, rather than ignorant and poor as many mulsims and their apologists would have us believe. Of course it is true that in Gaza, for example, people are misleading children into killing themselves in order to kill Jooos, but the people doing the misleading are muslims.
“And can I ask you not to write long compositions, it is hard to follow them.” I understand that English is your second language and is therefore somewhat difficult for you, but I use as many words as I need to get my point across. Just look at reading my posts as good practice in your ongoing English lessons. Your posts are hard to follow also because your English is not fluent.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Below is an example of a terrorist shithead FORCING islam on people…
“Like many insurgents, he headed to Mogadishu to fight the Ethiopians as soon as they entered the capital in December 2006, ousting the Union of Islamic Courts which had taken control of much of southern Somalia.
“We attacked them that same night,” he recalls.
“With God’s grace we defeated them in that first battle. At that time I was happy because I was hoping to become a martyr.”
Al-Shabab began as the militia wing of the Union of Islamic Courts
He adds he has two aims - to become a martyr and to ensure that the country is governed by Sharia law.
“As al-Shabab, we don’t care about people who don’t want Sharia law,” he says.
“Our goal is to have Sharia as the permanent law of our country, and to get the infidels out of our country, whether they are Ethiopians or Americans.”
His message to those Somalis who do not pray five times a day is clear.
“First of all, we will call them to return to Islam and pray - because what differentiates a Muslim and a non-Muslim is praying five times,” he says.
“If they refuse we will call them again and again to pray. If they entirely refuse, we will jail them and we will keep them without food until they return to praying.”
Cinema shooting
He denies that al-Shabab has any links with al-Qaeda, although he says that “they are Muslims so they are our brothers”.
“Our common objective is to have Sharia law as the law of our country. Al-Qaeda wants that and we want that,” he adds.
Religion of peace??? like fuck!!!
September 16th, 2008 at 11:47 am
If possible give thoughts as summarised as possible.
September 16th, 2008 at 11:46 am
And can I ask you not to write long compositions,
it is hard to follow them.
September 16th, 2008 at 11:43 am
When it comes to mass destruction weapons.
When people fight for honour they choose weapons of equalor equivalent power. When they want to be an agressor they use mass destruction weapons.
If you are man of honour will let the enemy pick up his weapon if you have one in your own hands.
I am not from Iran, and don’t know what type of life is in there, but to be objective. They naturally want to defend themselves as you do. Hey they have their own technology to build mass destruction weapons, why not for them to keep up with, at least they have potential.
September 16th, 2008 at 11:26 am
When it comes to mistranslation, who on this earth knows what Quran tells better that The Prophet (PBUH).
Maybe you, or some other impostors.
When it comes to impostors, it is know that some agents were given task to gain sincerety with some not well educated belivers to create misconceptions and undermine Islamic reputation.
Dig around your CIA archives I am sure you will have some evidence.
September 16th, 2008 at 11:18 am
When you look the places it has invaded, you still see the historic monuments and values even though not related to Islam intact.
What you say to this?
September 16th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Well rucker,
I have not yet got to your references yet.
First of all, America initially belonged to Indians.
What has come to them, they nearly got extinct.
However for example, Ottoman Empire Invaded as you have listed above some parts of Europe, Africa and has been intact as government for more than 700 years.
Now let me ask what age is your government ?