Muhammed Caricatures
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
UPDATE Feb 4, 2006: MUSLIM RESPONSE IS HERE
Here is a permanent home for the 12 Muhammed caricatures that were printed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten. If you don’t have a sense of humor then leave. They are just cartoons and nothing more. Comments will be enabled on here so please feel free to leave them. Keep it civil and please don’t storm my website with RPGs and machine guns. Oh, flag burning is unacceptable aswell. But feel free to boycot my site as that is a peaceful means of protest.
UPDATE Feb 13, 2006: HAMSHAHRI HOLOCAUST CARTOONS HERE
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June 22nd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
D and Ally - I always smile somewhat ruefully when I realize that one day Chrsitians, Jews, and athiests are going to have to stand side by side in solidarity against the tide of supremist islam. Those forces are already chippnig away at Western civilization, even in the USA. The day will come if we expect to maintain any of our historical freedoms, which is kind of ironic, hunh?
June 21st, 2009 at 10:14 pm
“Lucknow:
In a suspected honour killing, a man allegedly beheaded his daughter who was insisting on marrying her lover in Rampur district.
Shaukat Saifi was arrested after he allegedly beheaded his daughter Naseem with a sharp edged weapon yesterday in village Krimcha, about 250 km from here, police said.”
“A BRISBANE woman was jailed for eight months in the United Arab Emirates for claiming she was raped by three men after her drink was spiked in a hotel bar.
Amanda, interviewed on ABC radio this morning, said she was arrested after reporting her rape to police and later sentenced to 11 months’ jail for having illicit sexual relations and one month for consumption of alcohol. ”
“A BRITISH engineer kidnapped in Yemen by armed killers was part of an evangelical group that may have been targeted as an act of revenge for its attempts to convert local Muslims to Christianity.
His captors have already killed three women members of the group and abducted a married couple and their three young children.”
“BAGHDAD, June 20 — A truck bomb killed at least 63 people Saturday as they were leaving a mosque near the contested northern city of Kirkuk, shattering a recent lull in violence and raising fears of renewed bloodshed as U.S. forces complete their withdrawal from Iraqi cities by the end of the month.”
” KABUL, June 19 (Xinhua) — Several armed militants entered the compound of Kandahar University in south Afghanistan Friday and after beheading a student took away another.
June 21st, 2009 at 1:22 am
Yeah, it’s all our fault(considering you’re Jewish, or you live in America or Britain), every time something goes “bad”. Don’t get me wrong, we all are at fault for something, but still…
Anyway, I hope the violence settles down. I doubt it will, but I hope it doesn’t erupt into a war. It’s little things like these that create tension. I DO NOT want to be drafted into the army. Don’t get me wrong, I would fight for my country, but sure not in the army. Well, better join the marines before the draft comes…
June 20th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Answer to Rucker’s post 3792
This is a caveat if you would want to call it that:- I acknowledge that there are large amounts of beautiful, peace loving Muslims and as children of God, we love them. We are admonished through the bible to pray for our Muslim brothers and sisters.
However, I’m afraid that it is true what Rucker has been saying, Islam does teach that people who do NOT join them should be murdered : ( Look, if they want to worship Allah and idolize Muhammed, they should be free to do that but the problem is, their foundational teachings is not of a holy nature. I know the bible teaches that God alone is man’s judge and God alone will repay those who do evil but the Koran and the writings of Muhammed is stating that mere humans should MURDER others. I say let Allah himself deal with the “infidels” If Allah is so powerful why does he need terrorists to kill others? The reason is because the devil is the one behind the teaching of slay the pagans, Jews and Christians that is so rampant in the teaching of the Koran. Please look at this article —-> http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=72
Hey, and if there are any Christian believers on here, please pray that God grants Obama wisdom in dealing with the people of Islam. We do not want their VIOLENCE to escalate. Thank God a lot of Muslims are secular and don’t really know what the Koran instructs them to do.
June 20th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
“dreadreckoning ” ? Where d’you get that name? From some cartoon or do you “reckon” that some type of event that everyone is dreading is soon to come?! :D
Ah, you seem like a polite sorta person; not like some of the “HUBRIS ” that’s rampant amongst SOME of these atheists. Soooooo, what’s your story? :) You an atheist or what? I hope you’re not, cuz the bible says atheists are F-o-o-l-s.
Re: Post 3790
“The overwhelming majority of so-called errors in the Bible have been demonstrated to be simply errors of judgment or lack of understanding on the part of those who make the complaint. They are not errors at all, but simply truth misunderstood.”
The above statement still stands!
Look, that bible is phenomenal! and yes I think the KJV should be one’s main bible :) Some of the things in there have even the theologians stumped :D God allowed it to be written and translated that way to keep people interested and busy and most importantly for them to depend on Him for the answers. Alas, most folk leave it up to preachers, pastors, priests, prophets etc. to tell them what the bible says and they don’t check to see if what they are being taught is true or not.
Look man, I’m NOT a theologian but I do believe in God and the bible and this is what I came up with thus far, with regards to the “errors” you cited.
Matt 1:16 & Luke 3:23 ————-> “Several views, all possible, have been presented, but the most probable explanation is that Matthew gives the line of Joseph, the legal line, and that Luke gives the line of Mary, the mother of our Lord. As the Jews regarded only male descent, unless Joseph, the supposed father, was a descendant of David they would not have recognized the genealogy as a fulfillment of the prophecies that Christ should be the Son of David; while Luke, himself a Gentile and writing for Gentiles, was more particular to give the line that shows that Jesus is really the Son of David. If Mary was the daughter of Heli, especially if an heiress, Joseph, by marriage, would become the son of Heli. That there is no contradiction between the two tables is shown by the fact that the Jews who best understood their genealogies never charged it.” —–> http://bible.cc/matthew/1-16.htm
This site seems to have some interesting stuff on chronologies ——–> http://www.marshallgenealogy.org/bible/matthew-luke.htm
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Regarding Job 26:7 and 1 Samuel 2:8, you think these are contradictory? Don’t forget, the bible is written for the educated as well as for the simple. God inspired the biblical writer to write 1 Samuel 2:8 like that so that regular folk could “picture” what God means. To me, that verse is clearly an analogy so that people could understand that God is the CREATOR or DESIGNER of the earth :) Check out the definitions for pillar and you’ll see why the biblical writer chose to describe it like that and check out how the word “pillar” is used over and over again in the bible to describe different things but also,in order for people to understand or imagine, what is being conveyed —> http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/pillar
http://bibletab.com/p/pillars.htm
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Genesis 8:4 “And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.”
Genesis 8:5 “And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.”
There’s no contradiction here! A few years ago, the pastor of my church had told us that the bible is written in some type of order; I don’t remember the theological term he used but he said it’s written like a newspaper headline. It’s written like “Extra, extra, read all about it!” :D It gives the headline and than it expounds on it and in Gen. 8 that’s clearly how it’s written.
In verse 4 it was the 7th month when the Ark stopped on the mountain. In verse 5 it was the 10th month when Noah and the crew was FINALLY able to see the tops of the mountain. (Don’t y’all know how ships are structured? You know, the bottom of the Ark was on the mountain in the 7th month but Noah and the crew could only see water) Sheesh, you atheists like everything (from the bible i.e.) spelled out in black and white but if God had everything written down, this whole earth wouldn’t be able to contain it! :) But you know something?! That “Big Bang THEORY” is NOT “proven” but y’all still tenaciously cling to it! :)
June 19th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
MW are you still here i have been delayed but wanted to ask you something about the Quran that you seem to some what hold dear.
“is something I will never understand or tolerate. …” interesting and once you know and hold to the truth you will understand and tolerate. Ally, has said it “satan” and i do agree.
Just me,
POST #3602
June 19th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
This will stop once Israel is destroyed, right? Because it’s all about Israel and US imperialism, right? Thailand being full of Joos and all.
Human Rights Watch: Muslim rebels in Thailand kill 115 teachers
AP
Published: June 19, 2009, 12:16
Bangkok: A human rights group says Muslim insurgents in southern Thailand must stop the “sickening trend” of attacking teachers, 115 of whom have been killed since the outbreak of the separatist rebellion five years ago.
The US-based Human Rights Watch said Friday that as part of a general recent escalation of violence, 5 teachers have been killed since the beginning of the new school term in May.
The insurgency in Thailand’s three southernmost provinces of Pattani, Yala and Narathiwat has led to the deaths of more than 3,500 people, both Buddhist and Muslim, since early 2004.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Wow - who saw this coming: The Iranian rulers have now blamed the USA, Britain, and of course the Jews for the demonstrations and unrest in Iran. Why didn’t we all see that from the beginning? After all muslims are NEVER responsible for anything they do.
June 18th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
“A student of American history, who is not trying to reconstruct it to fit a modern politically correct narrative, would state that tensions between America and Muslims began with the unprovoked, four-decades long assault by the Muslim Barbary pirates against American shipping in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I find it telling that you mentioned the Treaty of Tripoli in your speech but ignored the circumstances that led to it. That treaty was but one of numerous attempts by the United States to achieve peace with the jihadists of the Barbary Coast who were attacking our shipping and killing and enslaving our citizens and our soldiers – and who by their own admission were doing so to fulfill the call to jihad.
These jihadists were not acting to protest American foreign policy, which was decidedly isolationist, and there was no state of Israel to scapegoat. They were doing what countless Islamic jihadists have done throughout history – acting upon the hundreds of passages in the Qur’an and the Hadith that call upon faithful Muslims to kill, conquer or subjugate the infidel.
A student of world history would know that, for all the acknowledged evils of Western colonialism, these evils pale in comparison to the nearly 14 centuries of Islamic colonialism that began in Arabia under the leadership of Mohammed. The student of history would know that Islamic forces eradicated all Jewish and Christian presence from Arabia after Mohammed’s death, and then succeeded in conquering all of North Africa, most of the Middle East, much of Asia Minor, and significant portions of Europe and India – eventually creating an empire larger than Rome’s was at its peak.”
http://americayouaskedforit.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/brigitte-gabriel-open-letter-to-obama/
June 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
“…But while not all intellectuals are rationalists, nearly all anti-intellectuals are anti-rationalist. Supernaturalist fundamentalism is by definition anti-rational, because it cannot be challenged by any countervailing evidence in the natural world. To those who reject attempts to inject rationality into religion, the very irrationality of their faith is seen as proof of emotional and spiritual superiority: Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet believed. Moreover, rational Christianity was seen not only as emotionally unsatisfying but also as a threat to traditional morality.”
The Age of American Unreason by Susan Jacoby
June 17th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
“The overwhelming majority of so-called errors in the Bible have been demonstrated to be simply errors of judgment or lack of understanding on the part of those who make the complaint. They are not errors at all, but simply truth misunderstood.”
Which version is right? I’m guessing you’re sticking with the King James version. That one’s got plenty of flaws.
Matt 1:16 says, “And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus…”
Luke 3:23 says “And Jesus…the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli”
Job 26:7 “He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.”
1 Samuel 2:8 “The pillars of the earth are the LORD’s, and he hath set the world upon them.”
Genesis 8:4 “And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.”
Genesis 8:5 “And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.”
Granted, these are small errors, but wouldn’t the “word of god” not have little flaws? I’d think a god would be able to do a little bit of editing.
June 17th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
“5. The Bible is full of errors. How can you believe it is inspired? (Isaiah 28:9 )
The overwhelming majority of so-called errors in the Bible have been demonstrated to be simply errors of judgment or lack of understanding on the part of those who make the complaint. They are not errors at all, but simply truth misunderstood. The inspired Bible:
1. Will always tell you the truth.
2. Will never mislead you.
3. Can be fully trusted.
4. Is reliable and authoritative, not only in spiritual matters but also in other matters it addresses, including history and science.
Satan is always digging up some supposed flaw in Scripture, which is not surprising. He found fault even with God and heaven. Copyists may have miscopied in some cases, but no such supposed happening or any other alleged error affects the truth of God’s Word. Doctrine is built not upon one Bible passage, but upon the total of God’s comments on any subject. We are unaware of any alleged error of any kind that would affect the truthfulness of the content of Scripture. Some things in Scripture are yet difficult to reconcile. There will always be room for doubt to those who prefer to doubt. We believe that even alleged errors, not yet fully explained, will (as in the past) soon be exposed as false alarms. The harder people work to undermine the Bible, the brighter its light shines.”
Is there anything left you can trust?
http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStuff/BibleStudies/StudyGuides/tabid/105/ctl/ViewMedia/mid/453/IID/2-1/LNG/en/SC/R/Default.aspx?7=Is-There-Anything-Left-You-Can-Trust?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:12 am
I would challenge you to find a different interpretation of what you said given that many examples of how your Bible is contradictory have been displayed on this and other sites. If you choose to outrighty ignore the evidence you might as well stick your fingers in your ears and scream “na-na-na-na-na-na” at the top of your lungs.
June 15th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Marc, grow up. Na-na-na, is not even remotely close to what I was saying. Korgan is korgspamming, and even if you give him an answer, he continues.
I though Korgan was being childish, but then again, I forgot about you.
June 15th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Paraphrase: “I can’t here you, na-na-na-na-na-na.”
Seems you are as self-contradicting as your Bible.
June 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am
X( Korgan, you are still using korgspam.
June 15th, 2009 at 10:16 am
D, again, it only takes one statement in the bible that is a requirement of one cruel animal sacrifice to show that your claims of the goodness of your religion and the omni-benevolence of its god-myth are nonsense.
The constraints on a “god”, such as for the god you are claiming, are absolute. There is no justice that can be claimed by any reasonable person within the bloody and senseless slaughter of innocent animals as required in your book of horrors, nor in the wholesale slaughter of peoples, nor in the racism, sexism, and homophobia that the bible is chock full of.
Your bible is indeed a book of horrors, plainly and obviously, and again, for reasons previously stated and presented above, your god-myth as described in your bible tales can only be concluded to be a vengeful, jealous asshole (and fortunately, a fictional one).
In post after post, you have moved off of earlier positions, and have either tacitly or directly acknowledged that your god-myth is violent and cruel, and that your book of horrors is erroneous. What you should now be gradually recognizing and acknowledging, although you haven’t accepted the full consequences yet in regard to your beliefs, is that your bible predominantly describes a vengeful, man-made “deity”, despite that deity being touted as “all-merciful”, and that the horrible book that you have been taking as life guidance is both self-contradictory and wrong on many fronts.
I hope that you will some day find the courage to fully acknowledge the sheer nonsense of your Christian superstitions in the face of the overwhelming evidence against their veracity in regard to the deity that they claim. Much of the western world, particularly in western Europe, has gradually been leaving those same superstitions behind, although parts of the US are, sadly, particularly backward in that regard.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Hmmmmm…..Korgan? I’m sorry, but I do not acknowledge or recognize in the least bit that the Bible is erroneous, horrid, self-contradictory, or that God is a man-made diety, and I doubt I will. Don’t missunderstand me, i’m not closed-minded. Whenever you have something new to say, i’m all ears.
We have both been spamming and saying the same things over and over again. I know the fight between Christianity and Atheism will never end, but I am tired of fighting over this. To top it off, we are arguing Christianity on an Islamic topic. I guess what I am saying is I’m over this particular subject right now. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not done defending Christianity in the least bit, i’m just done with this right now.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:01 am
D, again, it only takes one statement in the bible that is a requirement of one cruel animal sacrifice to show that your claims of the goodness of your religion and the omni-benevolence of its god-myth are nonsense.
The constraints on a “god”, such as for the god you are claiming, are absolute. There is no justice that can be claimed by any reasonable person within the bloody and senseless slaughter of innocent animals as required in your book of horrors, nor in the wholesale slaughter of peoples, nor in the racism, sexism, and homophobia that the bible is chock full of.
Your bible is indeed a book of horrors, plainly and obviously, and again, for reasons previously stated and presented above, your god-myth as described in your bible tales can only be concluded to be a vengeful, jealous asshole (and fortunately, a fictional one).
In post after post, you have moved off of earlier positions, and have either tacitly or directly acknowledged that your god-myth is violent and cruel, and that your book of horrors is erroneous. What you should now be gradually recognizing and acknowledging, although you haven’t accepted the full consequences yet in regard to your beliefs, is that your bible predominantly describes a vengeful, man-made “deity”, despite that deity being touted as “all-merciful”, and that the horrible book that you have been taking as life guidance is both self-contradictory and wrong on many fronts.
I hope that you will some day find the courage to fully acknowledge the sheer nonsense of your Christian superstitions in the face of the overwhelming evidence against their veracity in regard to the deity that they claim. Much of the western world, particularly in western Europe, has gradually been leaving those same superstitions behind, although parts of the US are, sadly, particularly backward in that regard.
Religion is ridiculous.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:20 am
“What you are gradually recognizing and acknowledging, although you haven’t accepted the full consequences yet in regard to your beliefs, is that your bible predominantly describes a vengeful, man-made “deity”, despite that deity being touted as “all-merciful”, and that the horrible book that you have been taking as life guidance is both self-contradictory and wrong on many fronts.”
Not vengeful. Just.
Man made deity? I think not. Immutable Lord is correct.
All-merciful? Resounding yes.
That “horrible book”(let me fix that error for you- it’s Holy Bible) has worked so far.
All it takes is one self-sacrifice to show enormous love.
It only takes one passage of love to…show the Bible has love! The greatest love!
THERE IS VIOLENCE IN THE BIBLE. THERE IS THE GREATEST LOVE IN THE BIBLE YOU CAN EVER KNOW.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
D,it only takes one statement in the bible that is a requirement of one cruel animal sacrifice to show that your claims of the goodness of your religion and the omni-benevolence of its god-myth are nonsense. (The constraints on a “god” such as for the god you are claiming are absolute.)
What you are gradually recognizing and acknowledging, although you haven’t accepted the full consequences yet in regard to your beliefs, is that your bible predominantly describes a vengeful, man-made “deity”, despite that deity being touted as “all-merciful”, and that the horrible book that you have been taking as life guidance is both self-contradictory and wrong on many fronts.
I hope that you will some day find the courage to fully acknowledge the sheer nonsense of your Christian superstitions in the face of the overwhelming evidence against their veracity in regard to the deity that they claim. Much of the western world, particularly in western Europe, has gradually been leaving those same superstitions behind, although parts of the US are, sadly, particularly backward in that regard.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Don’t worry about my life. I am happy with what my upbringing was, and it is more than you will ever have in your entire life unless you accept Christ. It was joyful and wonderful for me. Also, my moral character(something you have no care for) outshines you 10/1, baby killer.
Furthermore, you can count on me not having relations untill marriage. I’m not worrying about relations at all. I find myself having so much fun at church, I don’t even think about any of that.
I enjoy my fellowship with friends, church meals, church fishing trips, church hiking, church football, church paintball, church plays, church camps, church singing, VBS, and most important, worship of God. Man, i’m even happy when I have to clean up after the meals because I know i’m doing it to keeps God’s house clean.
Hey, if there’s no God(there is), don’t tell me. I’m having more fun then ever. Haha, and guess what? Don’t pull out Pascal’s winker, because I did’t compare Christians gaining everything to athiests losing anything at all! I only stated that I have fun.
All it takes is one self-sacrifice to show enormous love.
I could kill 5000 squirrels violently in my yard, and then die for korgan, and that would still show that I have unconditional love.
Korgan, don’t worry. I only kill animals if they eat the crops from my gardens of from my trees.
Anyway, which is more sane, killing babies or killing animals? ;)
ANSWER-Deny them? In my last post I acknowledged them. Why don’t you quit spewing the same junk over and over, and present some new material.
And heheheh….it only takes one passage of love to…..show the Bible has love! The greatest love!
THERE IS VIOLENCE IN THE BIBLE. THERE IS THE GREATEST LOVE IN THE BIBLE YOU CAN EVER KNOW.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:34 am
D,
Your apparent willingness to kill animals wantonly is rather revealing of the guidance that your book of horrors bible provides, and is unsurprising given your indoctrination at home.
What you are gradually recognizing and acknowledging, although you haven’t accepted the full consequences yet in regard to your beliefs, is that your bible predominantly describes a vengeful, man-made “deity”, despite that deity being touted as “all-merciful”, and that the horrible book that you have been taking as life guidance is both self-contradictory and wrong on many fronts.
I hope that you will some day find the courage to fully acknowledge the sheer nonsense of your Christian superstitions in the face of the overwhelming evidence against their veracity in regard to the deity that they claim. Much of the western world, particularly in western Europe, has gradually been leaving those same superstitions behind, although parts of the US are, sadly, particularly backward in that regard.
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:27 am
D,it only takes one statement in the bible that is a requirement of one cruel animal sacrifice to show that your claims of the goodness of your religion and the omni-benevolence of its god-myth are nonsense. (The constraints on a “god” such as for the god you are claiming are absolute.)
Answer the question. You haven’t answered it yet, and it’s very specific: Do you deny that such a statement regarding required animal sacrifice exists in the bible? Yes or no answer is all that is required. (but don’t forget, such statements have already been quoted here, so your case, as usual, is already lost).
Religion is ridiculous.
June 12th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Meh. More korgan filth. Personal attacks. Doesn’t bother me. Just shows how disrespectful and corrupted korgan is.
Korgan, you have been bashing us Christians the whole time we have been on this board. So thats how it is for Athiests, huh? Call names and laugh. Then be called names and cry.
All it takes is one self-sacrifice to show enormous love.
I could kill 5000 squirrels violently in my yard, and then die for korgan, and that would still show that I have unconditional love.
Deny them? In my last post I acknowledged them. Why don’t you quit spewing the same junk over and over, and present some new material.
THERE IS VIOLENCE IN THE BIBLE. THERE IS THE GREATEST LOVE IN THE BIBLE YOU CAN EVER KNOW.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:36 am
D,it only takes one statement in the bible that is a requirement of one cruel animal sacrifice to show that your claims of the goodness of your religion and the omni-benevolence of its god-myth are nonsense. (The constraints on a “god” such as for the god you are claiming are absolute.
Do you deny that such a statement exists in the bible? Yes or no answer is all that is required. (but don’t forget, such statements have already been quoted here, so your case, as usual, is already lost).
Religion is ridiculous.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:34 am
D, I’ll ignore your personal attacks.
What you are gradually recognizing and acknowledging, although you haven’t accepted the full consequences yet in regard to your beliefs, is that your bible predominantly describes a vengeful, man-made “deity”, despite that deity being touted as “all-merciful”, and that the horrible book that you have been taking as life guidance is both self-contradictory and wrong on many fronts.
I hope that you will some day find the courage to fully acknowledge the sheer nonsense of your Christian superstitions in the face of the overwhelming evidence against their veracity in regard to the deity that they claim. Much of the western world, particularly in western Europe, has gradually been leaving those same superstitions behind, although parts of the US are, sadly, particularly backward in that regard.
Religion is ridiculous.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Meh. More korgan filth. Personal attacks and attacks on my family. Doesn’t bother me. Dad either. Just shows how disrespectful korgan is. I hope your parents didn’t have it too hard. I feel for them. Can anyone here imagine raising korgan? HAHAHA!!! lol roflawl the roflcopters have flown in.
“Korgan, were you in the cookie jar?”
“No, you moronic parental unit.”
“I saw you”
“The evidence is indesicive, and inconclusive, you uneducated(and unmerciful) father. You have none to prove your (absurd)belief. You are becoming increasingly involved in my affairs. Begone. ”
“Son, I love you korgan”
“More fathercrap spews. You cannot love me, as the facts say you punish me violently(and unlawfully) for every wrong I do, with whips from the switch. Since one violent act cancels out love, you cannot love me.”
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All it takes is one self-sacrifice to show enormous love.
I could kill 5000 squirrels violently in my yard, and then die for korgan, and that would still show that I have unconditional love.
Deny them? In my last post I acknowledged them. Why don’t you quit spewing the same junk over and over, and present some new material.
THERE IS VIOLENCE IN THE BIBLE. THERE IS GREAT LOVE IN THE BIBLE.
F.Y.I-You have misinterpreted many, if not all, of your “violence” verses.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Allycrap Alert! Ally in her latest BULLSHIT would have you believe that her religion is one of peace, but the demonstrated and visible reality is that her religion promotes extreme violence and hatred, and that is what her bible abundantly prescribes.
So, Ally, which poor animal did you bloodily sacrifice and burn today to offer to your god-myth, as your bible, that book of Christian horrors, commands you to?
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
June 12th, 2009 at 1:30 am
No, Ally, you can’t get away with that “Jeebus is love” nonsense here, and what you have presented of your religion is misleading and false. As already noted, the Christian god of the Christian myths is a horrid, murderous, sexist, and vengeful being, and fortunately a fictional one. Your god-myth is dominantly hateful and punishing, not loving. Furthermore, the bible that you keep quoting is a self-contradictory collection of fairy tales, many of them borrowed from prior man-made religions. Christianity isn’t even original.
Just to cite a few examples of the nastiness of your god of your myths:
Genesis:
# God repeats his intention to kill “every living substance … from off the face of the earth.” But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
# God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears — all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
# God sends a plague on the Pharaoh and his household because the Pharaoh believed Abram’s lie. 12:17
# God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
Exodus:
# God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such “burnt offerings,” he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24 (actually this animal sacrifice is just one more example of Christian borrowing from pre-Christian myths. Christianity isn’t even original!!)
# A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17
“Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18
# If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24
# “The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me.” (As a burnt offering?) 22:29
# God promises to “send his fear before the Israelites” and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27
# Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8
# Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around — in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37
# Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:54 am
Korgan Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Allycrap Alert! Ally in her latest BULLSHIT would have you believe that her religion is one of peace, but the demonstrated and visible reality is that her religion promotes extreme violence and hatred, and that is what her bible abundantly prescribes.
So, Ally, which poor animal did you bloodily sacrifice and burn today to offer to your god-myth, as your bible, that book of Christian horrors, commands you to?
Religion is ridiculous.
June 12th, 2009 at 12:52 am
D, all it takes is one statement in the bible that is a requirement of one cruel animal sacrifice to show that your claims of the goodness of your religion and the omni-benevolence of its god-myth are nonsense. (The constraints on a “god” such as for the god you are claiming are absolute, whether you are able to comprehend that or not. Your comprehension, and that of your idiot father, is evidently more than a little lacking.)
Do you deny that such a statement exists in the bible? Yes or no answer is all that is required. (but don’t forget, such statements have already been quoted here, so your case, as usual, is already lost).
Religion is ridiculous.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
“Allycrap Alert! Ally in her latest BULLSHIT would have you believe that her religion is one of peace, but the demonstrated and visible reality is that her religion promotes extreme violence and hatred, and that is what her bible abundantly prescribes.”
The Bible contains violence. *BUT* it also contains the greatest love you will ever know, the love of Jesus Christ. No…………not just love…..the *unconditional* love of Christ.
“So, Ally, which poor animal did you bloodily sacrifice and burn today to offer to your god-myth, as your bible, that book of Christian horrors, commands you to?”
So, korgan, how many babies have you brutally aborted (murdered) because your “A Dummy’s Guide to being a Misdirected Athiest” told you too?
June 11th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Allycrap Alert! Ally in her latest BULLSHIT would have you believe that her religion is one of peace, but the demonstrated and visible reality is that her religion promotes extreme violence and hatred, and that is what her bible abundantly prescribes.
So, Ally, which poor animal did you bloodily sacrifice and burn today to offer to your god-myth, as your bible, that book of Christian horrors, commands you to?
Religion is a disease of the mind. Inoculate against it with reason.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven. He sacrificed Himself for EVERY man,woman and child that ever live, is living and will ever live. Believers are SUPPOSED to peacefully tell others the good news of salvation and let God’s Holy Spirit work on each heart. Jesus is ALIVE!!!! He’s NOT dead because dead people CANNOT help the living.
Note Well:- Jesus has His people all over the world. Some people never heard of Him, but they’re following the best light they have by being good people and when the timing is right they will know of Him. —> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zaVWPvd9HU&feature=related
Humans CANNOT condemn others and the reason that there’s so much fighting amongst religions is because we have an arch enemy an arch deceiver who is the devil and he wants the allegiance of all humans and he has his bases covered. To find truth one has to study God’s word for themself and pray to the CREATOR God for guidance :)
June 11th, 2009 at 5:05 am
hyrocket - We’d better cut this meanless argument off as I really don’t have enough English to understand what you’re talking about.
I only said that all big religions are ways to reach God, including christianity, but not only christianity. For ex, I can pray in a church as well as in a mosque if I think that both are God’s houses. It doesn’t matter.
Note 1: Jesus is a very respectable prophet but not God’s son.
Note 2: I didn’t understand the qoute from the Quran about “wives” as a man has already only one wife here.
You and me are both believers. The difference is that I respect your religion but you don’t respect mine.
Note 3: You don’t need to call a muslim to christianity as she’s already a believer like you. You’d better call back atheists if you wish. They don’t come back but at least this is more logical as most of them have been
already christians before.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Muslim Woman, i appreciate your response and i disagree with you. What are you afraid of? your words are completey nonsense and i think your making this stuff up-so what is up MW. Just to let you know is that there is only ONE WAY to God and is through His Son who has taken our sin and has fulfilled all scriptures as promised. in your Quran in Sura 4:129 says:
It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)
(quoted from Act for America)
MW, my flesh is attracted this world as my attraction is to the quran and the desires of my heart is shown in through Jesus, who is the Saviour of this world.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:54 am
hyrocket - If I got it right, you want to bring to my notice that Obama is a christian although he has a muslim father (since 7 generations). You say that he has chosen christianity. But don’t forget that he has a christian mother and he’s living in the U.S.A. These must be important factors for his religious choice. I mean if his mother was a muslim as well, or if he lived in a muslim country, he would choose islam this time.
I really believe that people’s religious choices generally form according to the country and the family they were born and live in. So I think there had to be just one universal religion in fact if we have only one God (the same God). No need for three big religions. Only one would be enough.
On the other hand, please look at my post 3738, related with 4 sections in islam world. Sections 3 and 4 are really open for everything (although sections 1 and 2 are never).. We can marry non-muslims while not asking them to be muslims. (They can stay as christians or jews for ex.) We can marry in church if necessary. We can accept our children to be baptized if we’re living in a christian country. For ex., if I married a christian and had childrens and lived in a christian country (By saying “christian country”, I mean “a country which has a mostly christian population) instead of a muslim country, I would want my children to be baptized for their own favour because it’s better to live as a christian there as muslims are hated because of islamic terrorism. I wouldn’t want my children to be sidelined or insulted. But I would still stay at my own religion.
What I mean is that religious choices are generally related with the conditions. Sections 3 and 4 have never been against christians and jews. Only one God, same God, only one universal religion would be nice. Impossible, fanciful but nice…
June 6th, 2009 at 9:52 am
MW, fair enough but do you really understand what you just said about Pres. Obama?! Look at the kind and wonderful words the pour out from your heart to my screen as well as Korgan. Look MW woman and be like Pres. Obama. though he might have links to the Muslim world yet have the truth pours to my screen can only see the truth you talk about yet are so blind to the fact the Jesus -say it with me MW Jesus Christ is the SAVIOUR -that’s right in your head as MW is those words of the God that He came to save us from our sins liberating in your heart! it is about what is inside and not your surroundings. MW read you words about Pres. Obama and the respect you have and the path he has chosen to follow and still hold son to such truth’s. If you have love which you have shown me let us show the truth in Christ which as you say Pres. Obama has expressed to your people- wonderful is it not?! In Christ the works you try to please your god is filty rages to OUR(u and me) God, who is Jesus - who took on your sins. test the scriptures which i talk about and let your heart decide the truth yet he had
a “father has been a muslim since 7 generations”
Korgan, look at post 3602 that my name and i am happy you have not forgot my name! say my name Korgan, say it everyday!
June 6th, 2009 at 6:26 am
I’ll try to tell you what post 3760 which belongs to a Turk means. If you click on his link, you’ll see the caricature of Charlie Hebdo’s magazine in France. There it says: In 2006, Charlie Hebdo had published the caricatures of Prophet Mohammed and although this magazine had been processed by islamic organisations, it had been acquitted of this. But today, as it draw the Air France plane and wrote there: “Minus 228 voters for the Europian Parliament elections”, French people and Sarkozy’s party reacted this caricature and said that it was ugly to use the dying people this way. Sarkozy wanted this magazine to be boycotted. The magazine defended itself saying that they are not making journalism but humour. So the question of “Until where can humour force the limits?” came to order again.. Post 3760 probably wants to draw attention to the contradiction (if I’ve got it right)…
And I want to say that we really appreciate Obama as he’s a hunky dory leader. He had already stolen our hearts in April, at his visit to Turkey. He was very respectful for islam. He visited the mosques, he even took off his shoes at the entry! He finished the conferense when the heard the voice of “Moslem call for namaz”! Such marvellous things! We were very surprised as we’d never seen such things before. And his speech was very peaceful and respectful, too. He began his speech by saying “Selamun aleykum”! He wanted the other muslim countries to take Turkey a sample. He said: “We won’t be against islamic world.” He said “I’m a christian but my father has been a muslim since 7 generations”. He said “I was being woken up by ‘Muslim call to prayer’ (ezan) in my childhood”. He said “let the women to be dressed however they want”… (But please note that he doesn’t mean ‘black chador’ but he means ‘turban’ and they are not the same. Although I’m not veiled or covered, I support the veiled women as well.)
Wonderful… He’s the only one who has a power to bring peace and you’ll see that he’ll manage. Young, handsome, charismatic and peaceful leader at a very different line from Bush. Charming!..
June 5th, 2009 at 11:39 am
[...] Hebdo 2006 y?l?nda Danimarka’da olay ayratan Hz. Muhammed karikatürlerini yay?nlam??, Islami kurulu?lar taraf?ndan dava edilmi? ancak mahkemede beraat [...]
June 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/the_speech_obama_should_give_i.html
June 1st, 2009 at 10:50 am
We are really Sorry Habibi MOHAMMAD Sallallah O Alaihe Wassalam…
June 1st, 2009 at 10:38 am
i would like to say for all people who think that islam is terorist religion
please read about islam and understand what is islam. Don’t take others opinion. search for the real islam look for real islam and read it carefully.
How is terorist comes with a religion with more than 1.5 billion believers. terorist is never comes with islam…..this is the truth.
thank you all for giove me this chance.
love you all and i ask god for peace for all….
June 1st, 2009 at 4:22 am
@ Muslim Woman: “But why don’t you criticise “Joseph””
The difference being that Denmark is a country made up of many people, some of who are muslim, and the vast majority who had nothing to do with the cartoons, let alone any say over it.
Josephs remark was aimed at one (dead) person, not an entire nation. besides, it was so pathetic I actually didnt think it required a response.
But now that you raise it, why do you lump me with him? Thats pretty presumptuous to assume he and I are ‘the same people’ to paraphrase - for all you know he could be a muslim apostate, angry at your religions oppresion! Or is this just another sign of many muslims belief that its ‘muslims vs the rest of the world’?
May 31st, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Affet bizi allah?m bu yolundan ?a?m?? kullar?n?da affet ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpyFZipM3-k
May 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
To Muslim woman and all other moderate Muslims who post here. This article is about the larger Muslim community in one town in Great Britain taking to teh streets and telling the radical Muslim elements in the town to get lost. This is what I would like to see more of from Muslims like you - action to repudiate the violence committed and contemplated by too many Muslims.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189577/Muslim-extremists-anti-war-protest-driven-members-community.html
May 29th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Muslim woman,
No need to tell bafoons who directly ignore anything sensible and continue on believing what they are fed to. There is no female circumsition in Turkey, period. Those who claim there is, should prove it, not you…
While Turkey is mostly imagined as a desert world with people still riding camels, you can’t really make anyone believe it is not unless they see it. Some people never could get out of middle-age still in Europe.
About caricatures, oh well, they are caricatures… I find it works of a silly sod.
May 29th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Jayman - You’re right at criticising “Turkey” (3750) for he’s written: “Fuck you Denmark”. OK. But why don’t you criticise “Joseph” (3749) then? Look how he’s cursed at a prophet who you don’t believe but we sanctify indeed. Is it so difficult being dispassionate and neutral? You’re getting angry about Turks’s curses but your people’s curses are OK for you. Then you describe “Turkey” (3750) as a person who can’t hear anything anymore. OK but can “Joseph” hear anything according to you?..
Note: I don’t know the friend having “Turkey” nickname. But I’m against “double standard”. I mean, every kind of cursing is disgusting. You have to criticise everybody cursing here.
May 28th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
TURKEY says FUCK YOU DENMARK
Oh how I’d love to point out the idiocy and hypocrisy, but there’s not much point talking to someone who cant hear anything anymore.
May 28th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
o karikatürü çizenin anas?n? atas?n? soyunu sopunu sikiyim.onun bunun o?lu senin kar?n? sikti?imin resimlerinide yay?nlasana piçin o?lu.avrad?n? sikti?im anas?n?n nikah?n? sikti?im.senin ananla bac?n?n bacaklar?n? omzuma al?r?m.FUCK YOU DENMARK.
FUCK YOU DENMARK.
FUCK YOU DENMARK.
FUCK YOU DENMARK.
FUCK YOU DENMARK.
FUCK YOU DENMARK.
FUCK YOU DENMARK.
FUCK YOU DENMARK.
May 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Mohammad was a shit-eater and a bastard par excellence. I hope his penis is paining him fucking 100 houris daily.
May 26th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Bu yaz?lar? yazd???n?z kalemleri fabrikas?yla birlikte size monte etmek laz?m. S?k?yosa gelin , kar?? koyun islama alal?m sizi a??a??. Keselim ba??n?z?. Nas?l ho?unuza gittimi.Fuck you ………………..!!!!!!!!!
islammuhafizi@gmail.com
May 21st, 2009 at 4:53 am
The problem with broad claims with personal assurance of the fact is that how you can prove your claim?
Have you visited every small village and inspected every girl (about 10 million girls) and woman (about 27 million)? Unless you have, you can only make claims in the realm of;
‘To my knowledge, there has not been any female circumcisions in turkey.’
There is a huge difference between the claims of your knowledge and your original claim. The difference between actual fact and supposition is important as lies and misconceptions grow out of such shady grounds.
You say it would be kind of me to believe your claim but that would be dishonest. How can I trust you not to make a claim that there is a god, That earth is flat or Sun goes around earth. All those claims I should also accept, on basis being nice to you, according to your logic.
Also the level of trust in your words is based on your claims and such grandiose broad statements really hurt that trust. I find it difficult to trust any claims which are on the scope of your claim without any actual evidence.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
“The fact is that they’ll always try to find new blind excuses not to take Turkey into the EU. And Turkey has to stop begging for it. It doesn’t befit its state. Where has the pride gone? Do we really need the EU?”
Human right violations are a ‘blind’ excuse?!
No EU country is without blame, but Turkey needs to come a long way to join the ranks of the EU. Sure, the Armenians & Kurds arent angels, but next to the Turkish military, the ’sledghammer cracking a walnut’ expression comes to mind.
Turkey wants the relative economic prosperity of the EU, its pretty clear, and frankly I hope they can ultimately clean up their act enough to join the EU. The world needs more politically stable, economically comfortable, secular islamic countries to be a role model for the islamic world in general.
While I’d personally prefer to see Islam (as well as Christianity, Judaism etc) disappear in an instant, forever, for the sake of world peace, im also a realist. I’d rather see Turkey than Dubai/UAE be the model citizen - for what its worth, Turkey is overall a great country and the people there more chilled than most other islamic countries…
May 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
jagannath - It’s not an extraordinary claim, it’s truth. There’s certainly male circumcision here but never female circumcision. If you describe this as an “extraordinary claim”, then you really don’t know anything about Turks. Because on the contrary female circumcision would be an etraordinary (absurd) thing for Turkey. Besides how can I find you an evidence? Instead of asking for an evidence, it would be kind of you to believe me. I’m not a liar. What would I gain by telling you lies? It isn’t worth my loss of time. I have always seen the people here on this forum as a buzz group, tried to compare notes and to see some events through their eyes. But if you won’t believe me and want a proof of everything I say, I can’t attend. You should learn to trust people.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence;
and this claim truly begs for the evidence.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:04 am
I saw a news in today’s newspaper: “The last blind excuse is female circumcision”. Female circumcision in Turkey!?
Europian Parliament Member Robert Kilroy-Silk has submitted two briefs. One is about female circumcision. The other is about honour killings. He asks if Turkey knows that it won’t be taken into the EU unless no girls are circumcised anymore (not even one) and no more honour killings happen…
Female circumcision is made in North and Central Africa (almost in 30 countries like Sudan and Somalia), also in Latin America, Middle East, India and North Iraq. Everyday almost 6000 girls are circumcised and there are 150 million circumcised women today in the world. Although this application has lasted since thousands of years, it’s certainly wrong and has no concern with islam. Otherwise we would do it, too but we aren’t. None of islamic sections in Turkey apply this (including even section 1) and I’m a living witness saying that never even 1 girl has been circumcised here. This is impossible. And honour killings, yes, they exist especially in easthern regions. But we know that they exist in some christian societies, too.
The fact is that they’ll always try to find new blind excuses not to take Turkey into the EU. And Turkey has to stop begging for it. It doesn’t befit its state. Where has the pride gone? Do we really need the EU? We’re not Europians but Asians at last.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:27 am
The societies of which women can’t communicate anybody are not “muslim” societies but socities of “sharia.” I’ve always tried you to tell the difference between our islam and sharia. I think you have to go to a secular muslim country at least once to see with your own eyes how the women there are quite free.
Anyway, section 3 is certainly OK for me. But most of Turkish families are attached to traditions. I mean you’re right about section 1 but why are you running from section 2? Traditionalists are not terrifying but conservative people as their all problem is doubting about changes, that’s all. I don’t think they harm you. Although I describe myself as a modernistic, I have a conservative character, too, attached to some traditions.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:55 am
The very fact that you are communicating with strange men on the net rules out sections 1 or 2, in many muslim societies that alone, would guarantee you a whipping!!!.
I would guess that you are section 3
May 17th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Funny, I’d just ask you in which section(s) you see me. You’ve always doubted about me, haven’t you, infidel? First you guess, then I’ll tell you my section(s) truly.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Very well put, muslim woman, I could live with sections 3 + 4, however, section 1 I would only want to see through a gunsight, and section 2 are unacceptable to me due to their treatment of women, gays, and their wish for sharia law.
Will you tell us what section you are in muslim woman????
May 17th, 2009 at 10:31 am
In today’s islam world, 4 different concepts are in conflict with each other:
1. fundamentalists: They deny democratic assets and modern western culture. They wish authoritarian and fanatic (religious) state. They treat the western countries and the U.S.A. as enemies.
2. traditionalists: They side with a concervative society. They feel doubt about changes and modernity. Although they are moderater than fundamentalists, sometimes they become near to them.
3. modernistics: They wish islam world to be a part of global modernity. They wish islam to be brought up to date (to be modernized) for keeping in step with the new age. They are the ones who look like western people most in terms of assets and behavours but not active in the society as much as the others in terms of being organized and finance.
4. seculars: they wish the islam world to accept that religion affairs should depart from state affairs and religion is a person’s privacy. Although they have large ideological trends, they have no power to make fundamentalists accept them.
So, democratic components of moderate islam are not enough for corresponding (meeting) to authoritarian and repressive features of fundamentalists.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
islam is the enemy of all civilised societies everywhere!!
May 14th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
http://terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
May 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Don’t worry mate, just another monkey banging his drum..
May 11th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
“Muahmmad is a perfect human, no one can draw his face”
WHY??????????????
May 11th, 2009 at 4:11 am
Allahuakbar..
Muhammaddarrsulullah………
Muahmmad is a perfect human, no one can draw his face
Muhammad is a perfect behaviour, no one can drawing it…
INDONESIA……!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 11th, 2009 at 3:55 am
Allahuakbar…
Islam is the best way…
Muahmmad is a perfect human, no one can draw his face
Muhammad is a perfect behaviour, no one can drawing it…
INDONESIA……!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2009 at 10:12 am
“How do we determine if a person is moderate or not?” And the writer has given an answer himself: “a moderate is one who, by his/her actions, has created a demonstrable distance between himself/herself and the perpetrators of an incident which he/she purports to find offensive.”… Yes, that’s true.
“a moderate muslim is a person who hasn’t committed any religious violence, who follows secularism principles and who doesn’t overreact against the attacks on islam like caricatures.”
With these quotes, Muslim Woman, you have tried to portray yourself as a ‘moderate’ (believing that distancing yourself from extreme acts of killing in the name of your religion is ok), while at no time comdemning these acts: AND stating that a ‘moderate’ muslim would be one that hasn’t committed any religious violence but simultaneously follows the Koran. (kind of like someone who subscribes to child rape videos, but professes that they’re opposed to such acts)
..I’m sure there’s no need to quote Surah or Hadith here, as you could guess what I’m getting at.
..also I have a question to any muslims out there..
Q: If allah is perfect and doesn’t make mistakes…why is the world the way it is?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Rucker, I read that article and will try now to tell my ideas about it.
In fact robust critique doesn’t alienate moderate muslims. Because they are indisposed about islamic terror, too. They can understand. But the limits of the critiques are important. If you mock at their religious assets too much, you can easily make them close to extremists. So what happens? You get more and more extremists but that’s not what you want. I’m not aggravating, you can easily turn a moderate muslim to an extremist if you come too much over him/her. Because a moderate muslim seeing the caricatures above or watching the Fitna video thinks like this: “They curse our holy book and prophet. They mock at everything we sanctify. Then they don’t respect us. They mock at us in fact”. I mean moderate muslims may take these mockings personally and feel humiliated.
On the other hand, I really respect the latitude of thought and it’s important for me, too but the point where the latitude of thought ends and disrespect begins is very important. In fact while some moderate muslims are disturbed of the caricatures or fitna video too much, some other may not be and even find some of them funny especially the caricature “stop, we have run out of virgins”). It completely depends on their point of view. (I couldn’t write very clear what I meant but look at the comments below yours which belongs to an extremist calling himself “soldier of God”. Maybe I’m not brave as much as you think).
Anyway, it was asked in the article there: “How do we determine if a person is moderate or not?” And the writer has given an answer himself: “a moderate is one who, by his/her actions, has created a demonstrable distance between himself/herself and the perpetrators of an incident which he/she purports to find offensive.”… Yes, that’s true. According to me, a moderate muslim is a person who hasn’t committed any religious violence, who follows secularism principles and who doesn’t overreact against the attacks on islam like caricatures. On the contrary an extremist is a person who just applies some islamic rules without questioning their sources. For example, 15-20 years ago I had a boyfriend. He was an extremist. One day he said: “Enjoy your last summer holiday. Because soon we’ll get married and being my wife you’ll never bath (in the sea) again”. I asked why not. He said his wife couldn’t wear a bath-suit but that was not the only problem. A woman’s body couldn’t touch the same water which men’s bodies had touched before. That was a big sin… There are some female extremists who never eat or drink anything in restaurants as they don’t want to touch the glass or plate which were touched by the waiter before. I mean, they can’t touch anything which was touched by a man including sea water. They think this is a big sin. So, we can say, an extremist is a person who believes such adapted rules indeed without questioning them.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Muslim Woman - Thank you for your courage in posting that and in trying to see the whole picture of what’s going on. That’s not easy for anyone when their heart is with one side or the other.
I have been finding some people who truly seem to be moderate Mulsims who are speaking out against Muslim terrorism. One of them is an imam living in England. Unfortunately other Muslims threaten his life and so on, and few seem to be standing by his side (at least openly), but he’s there nonetheless and he is speaking up. You might be interested in the post below (not about the imam, but abou moderate Muslims, and I would certainly be interested in anything you might have to say about it.
http://myminddroppings.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/does-robust-critique-alienate-moderate-muslims/
May 7th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
allahu ekber allahu ekber allahu ekber
May 7th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
hey yaz?m yanl?? ç?km??.kahrolsun hizbu??eytan. ya?as?n allah?n askerleri
May 7th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
allah dü?manlar? kahrolsun ya?as?n taraftarlar? hizbullah kahrolsun hizbu??eytan.k?yamet günü bunlar?n hesab?n? elbette soracak o0lan allah azze ve celledir
May 7th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Yes, infidel, I see. In fact we are muslims, too. But our men never hide behind women and children.For example, look at the Turkish War of Independence. Women have helped men by carrying weapons and working as nurses in the front to cure the wounded soldiers. But they haven’t been used as human shields. Our soldiers never endanger civils. Same religion but different behaviours. Strange…
http://www.thinkturk.com/2009/01/f-altayliya-okuyucu-mektubu-tokat-gibi.html
Today I read an article. A famous Turkish journalist has written in Jan 2009: “Israel is ordinarily impassible.” and a Turkish citizen living in Israel has written an answer like this: (It’s in Turkish of course. I tried to translate it but couldn’t manage well):
“I’m not defending Israel as I’m living here. And I’m a Turkish citizen. But they have sent 50 rockets here everyday for two years. Why didn’t you criticise Hamas then? Did you search Hamas’s outrage on Palestinians? Did you wonder if Palestinians were complainant of Hamas or not?
Which Turkish television showed the Kassam rockets falling on to children’s care centers? Aren’t children here important? Hamas had been stimulated many times not to do this but they went on attacking even on the ceasefire time. Besides they celebrated the death of a few Israelis.
Hamas is hiding behind women and children and at the same time pretending to be miserable. Israel is trying to protect the children and women here from terror. In schools children are taught how to protect themselves from living bombs. On the other hand Palestinian children’s brains are washed as they are taught how to go to Heaven by killing Jews.
In Israel thousands of people lost their lives because of living bombs. Bombs exploded in children’s school cars and nursery schools. A Jews girl was shooted on her head at home. Which of these stayed on your agenda even for 1 hour?…”
His writing is going on but I really have difficulty in translating it. So, that’s enough. I tried to show you the thoughts and feelings of a Turkish citizen living in Israel. I don’t want to comment about this. I’m just trying to consider the matter from all directions. This may cause me to be misunderstood by muslims, I know. But I want to say that I’m neither supporting Hamas nor Israel at the moment as it seems that they have both caused the civils to loose their lives.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Muslim Woman,
I congratulate you for admitting to the darfur genocide, you are the only muslim I’ve seen on the net who has!!.
I also admit that innocent people have been killed in gaza, BUT, the reason for this is,
The hamas terrorists deliberately use innocents as human shields.
They constantly provoke the Israelis with rocket fire from schools and mosques,and civilian areas, and then shout genocide when the israelis retaliate.
If you want PROOF of this, go to google, and look for “terrorist human shields”, and then see all the brave jihadi warriors hiding behind women and children!!
One of the hamas leaders was questioned about this, and replied, “it doesn’t matter because any innocents killed will go straight to paradise because it’s a jihad”.
May 2nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Welcome back, Muslim Woman. I’ve frequently wondered if you were still watching this site. Let’s talk alter, but in the meantime, I do wish you could understand that I do care about innocent lives being lost among the Muslims of Gaza. The fact that I do not believe there is a genocide against them does not mean that I do not care that they are dying. I have company so I can’t stay today. Talk to you later.
May 2nd, 2009 at 8:29 am
Hi, everybody. I’ve posted my last comment on 25th Jan. I was angry on those days as you didn’t care about that Gaza genocide while I was feeling bad for especially the children being killed or losing their parents there. On the contrary, you insisted me to accept the Darfur genocide instead. Besides all of you came over me and not even one of you tried to understand what I was saying. Your behavours caused me to get stubborn about Darfur, just like your getting stubborn about Gaza, but…
During these three months, I had time to think about these. Your not accepting the Gaza genocide is something related with your humanity. So I’m not caring about it now. In result, I’m saying: You were right about Darfur. Omer el Besir and janjaweed militia caused 200.000 non-muslim Africans to die in the last 3 years. 2,5 millions of people were forced to leave their land. And yes, this is a certain genocide. But know that there are lots of people here blaming Ankara’s (Turkey) close relations with Omer el Besir. This is not Turkish people’s choice. In fact Turks are always on oppressed people’s side. It doesn’t matter who they are. They may be muslims in Gaza or non-muslims in Darfur. (But still we’re not accepting the so-called Armenian genocide in 1915, please don’t misunderstand me).. I’ve explained my idea. Now it’s your problem not to accept Gaza. I hope you don’t think you’ve won a victory by making me accept Darfur. Because this is not a victory but my humanity…
Besides I didn’t read all parts of rucker’s last comment (3720) as it’s a little heavy for me. So, I don’t know the details but I only saw that it was about “compulsion in islam”. I can only say that there’s really no compulsion here in my region. You may not believe this but this is true. I have no idea about the other regions.
May 1st, 2009 at 5:45 am
O ALLAH Give Me Taufeeq to Destroy Them ALL….
We are really Sorry Habibi MOHAMMAD Sallallah O Alaihe Wassalam…
April 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
How come they all don’t know there is no compulsion in religion? O, yeah, that’s right because there is compulsion in religion in islam.
ISLAM: OIC LAW ACADEMY IS SPLIT ON RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
(ANSAmed) - ROME, APRIL 30 - In a session on religious freedom, at the ongoing International Islamic Fiqh Conference hosted by Sharjah, Muslim scholars from around the world yesterday debated how apostates should be treated according to Islamic law, Arab News website reports. More than 200 delegates representing 60 countries are discussing diverse issues in the light of Shariah in the event organized by the International Islamic Fiqh Academy (IIFA), an offshoot of the Jeddah-based Organization of the Islamic Conference. While several scholars demanded a review of the punishment for apostates in the light of the changing modern values, others refuted their argument saying the original Islamic texts call for harsh punishments. “Religious freedom is a right that should be guaranteed to every human being. We have come here to present and discuss different viewpoints and we should do it in order to reach the right solution,” said Mahmoud Zaqzouq, Egypt’s minister of endowments, as reported by Arab News. Some participants doubted the validity of texts quoted in support of the beheading of apostates. On the other hand, several others were adamant in their refusal to the demand for a lighter approach toward apostates in the name of freedom of religion. “The view that Islamic scholars of the past had different views on how to punish apostates is incorrect. They only disagreed on how soon apostates should be executed; should it be done in three days, one week or few months. The waiting time is left to the discretion of the ruler,” said Muhammad Al-Nujaimi, a professor at the Higher Institute of Law in Riyadh. Referring to criticisms from international human rights organizations, he said: “These groups will never stop attacking Islam even if we were to agree to all their demands. Their lack of sincerity is clear from their attitude to the atrocities committed by the Israeli government in occupied Palestinian territories. We will never allow others to dictate our religion to us.” Abdul Salam Al-Ebadi, secretary-general of the IIFA, said the topic of religious freedom was given priority in yesterday’s deliberations because several countries, particularly the ministries of Islamic Affairs and Foreign Affairs in OIC member countries, demanded a clarification on the correct stand toward apostates. He said a six-member committee of scholars has been entrusted with the task of studying the issue and submitting recommendations. OIC Secretary-General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu and IIFA Chairman Saleh Bin-Humaid, who is also chairman of Saudi Arabiàs Supreme Judicial Council, are participating in the forum. (ANSAmed)
April 28th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Quite right ulkucu!!, no respect at all, religion is bullshit fairy stories.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
ßy uLKuCu …. You are so fucked that you make caricature of prophets you havent respect to other religions…. ßy uLKuCu
April 24th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
deneme deneme
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Sayenizde cehennem bo? kalmayacak..
April 17th, 2009 at 2:34 am
“Would be funny to se some Caricatures how the pope fucks some litle kids…
how about you speak on these theme. thats your realign”
yeah, why not? he probably does like fucking children as much as imams do.
difference being, its more offensive than just depicting mohammed AND catholics wont be setting fire to the iranian/afghan/pakistani embassies.
stupid hypocrite muslim arseholes!
hey look, im drawing a picture of Mohammed sucking Allahs cock and getting fucked up the arse by the devil! what are you going to do about that?
April 16th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Benim ad?m kerim Westergaard seni sikerim…
April 16th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
BEN?M ADIM KER?M HEP?N?Z? S?KER?M…
April 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
vous n’etes que des fils de putes vos enfants ne vous respectent pas vous ne respecter pas vos parents vous croyer ouvert envers le monde vous rien de tout
April 9th, 2009 at 4:21 am
nothing against freedom of speech and so but these caricatures are really not funny. i don’t think any orientalist european can draw a funny caricature about the orient. we understand you, but you can never understand us. even your biggest myth, your religion originates from orient. you are just not interesting enough.
April 9th, 2009 at 3:07 am
Would be funny to se some Caricatures how the pope fucks some litle kids…
how about you speak on these theme. thats your realign, why not start from your self?
April 8th, 2009 at 7:30 am
naalt alah alaykoum ya ahfad el kirada wa elkhanazire,antoum taalamouna elhak wa taktoumounah,antoum soulalete katalete el anbiaa wa rossol,sawfa yaati yawmoun la mafarra minh,touhassabouna ala kouli saghirat wa kabira iktaraftoumouha.
la ilaha illa allah mouhammad rassoul alah
kalimatou alah el aoulya walawe kariha el mouchrikoun
alahouma ssalli wa ssallim ala habibina wa rassoulina afdal el khalk mouhammad.
April 8th, 2009 at 7:01 am
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April 7th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
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March 30th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
inappropriate? so what does it smell like to you?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iRHXSIoJJdXQpG3kPrRO2LWMnWTAD975SKN01
March 27th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
interesting Rucker, other groups other than the one you talk about have ask the UN to pass other hate crimes -such as free speech for a select few besides Islam. So, do you think RF and the ACLU are in a “figure of speech”- painting themselves into a corner?
March 26th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
The U.N today passed a resolution calling for the criticism of islam to be made a criminal offense.
Therefore, you need to take down this page and all others that show islam to be not only as stupid as other religions but far more violent and dangerous. And you need to stop talking about islam altogether except as the most peaceful, spiritual, and holy religion on earth.
Everybody got that?
allahakbarkingmad
March 26th, 2009 at 10:56 am
“hey. u dont know that Islam is the best.ISLAM is the best way of life.”
YES!!
the best way to behead people
the best way to plant bombs
the best way to subjugate women
the best way to terrorise, etc,etc,etc.
March 24th, 2009 at 8:12 am
hey. u dont know that Islam is the best.ISLAM is the best way of life.Islam is system o life.Islam is everything.Islam is learning u how to live.ISLAM is learning u everything good….
March 12th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Muslims are living proof that monkeys fuck skunks.
March 10th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
http://www.bestgore.com/beheading/russian-skinheads-beheading-neo-nazi-execution-video/
Western Jihad…funny!
March 7th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
baska yok mu bunlardan:D foruma yazan Turk arkadaslar bu arap yaragindan ne zaman vaz gececeksiniz. Ulan osmanliyi arkadan vuran bu itlerinb evladi degil miydi. helal olsun israile amerikaya, osmanli’nin intikamini aliyorlar!
hamasa ve araplara ve onun yavsakcilari defolun bu dunyadan!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
well,you all muzzies read about his fucked up life and still LOVE that shit,then you all are psychos!
Islam IS 4 psychos ONLY! Inshallah i will deal a pact whit your fucked Allah 2 screw U all Taazi barbarians muzslimzs
OUT of my beloved motherland IRAN! Irani:kafir INFIDEL will screw 4 all U TaaziMUZZIES ARAB DESERT MORONS! MASHALLAH
March 2nd, 2009 at 7:03 pm
burim, I work for a Petro Co. but we need to investigate your Muslim bias claim and therefore we need to drill in your country.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
hi im from macedonia.i’m muslim.i want to say to america that we dont have oil here.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:17 am
As long as Mohammed is idolized as a godlike figure, and as long as the mullahs are themselves little tin gods (!), there is no hope for freedom of expression. It is ironic how much Moslems say they are not Mohammedans (yet they are) and how much they do not worship Mohammed (yet they do). The mullahs consider themselves collectively the equivalent of the Pope and the supreme court of the world (having precedence over all courts). Religious and secular law are combined in the person of the mullahs.
American Justice Robert H. Jackson (chief justice of the Nuremberg trials) said: “The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish.”
Freedom of expression is the freedom to publish something someone else will disagree with or find unpleasant. The law says that we may not ask for the murder of anyone. That is, imho, the only limit we should set.
Islam does not agree on that, however, because the mullahs reserve to themselves exclusively the right to solicit murder by fatwah.
It is the mullahs who caused the cartoon controversy in the first place by holding themselves above the laws of every country.
The mullahs need to destroy free expression so that they may rule unopposed and unquestioned.
February 12th, 2009 at 9:06 am
allah hepinizin belas?n? verecek kendinizi ne san?yorsunuz zavall? yarat?klar…allah sizleri s?rf bu yüzden ac?lar içinde k?vrand?rarak öldürecek…kans?z hristiyanlar..isa size böyle mi ö?retti..o ahmet i müjdelemedimi size..?imdi siz ahmete hakaret ediyorsunuz…
February 12th, 2009 at 1:28 am
IrishThunder, I have to disagree with you and what i have to say does apply, don’t ask soso, ask Korgan, he would agree with me, if not what should i say than but crap away.
Does anyone here agree with me or do we just agree to disagree?! and let the post lay where they may. what do you say Irish, my man.
soso say Mo-Mo, you say No-No and I say Jesus is the way-way. Say with me Irish… come on man.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Hyrocket, this isn’t a pro christian site..nor is it a pro religion site. It’s a site that shows that the freedoms of the western world (ie. posting cartoons) are met with threats of violence, intolerance and aggression against those that embrace those freedoms.
Even if this was a totally muslim world, these barbarians would still be killing each other.
To all the muslims: if you don’t want to see this shit, leave.
February 11th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Hyrocket, do you really think you’re doing anything? Every single one of your posts is just you spouting out crap from your bible, crap that has nothing to do with the discussion.
February 11th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Salwa-soso, i think you need to wake up before it’s to late for you. Hell is near you. why say such things as if it a warning to us yet I know my/our Father who is heaven. You say avoid hell as a warning but i say avoid hell as a blessing. You speak of things of the flesh and what man deceived you and the Muslims. Read your comment for they are not of God but of deception of Satan and the things of this world.
Repent and accept Jesus Christ in your heart and see the things you say. God did not come to take the heads of men but to died so He can gain the hearts of men. Even the death on cross is far from you. God is Holy and Holiness he has given us to enter His Kingdom. You can’t enter the Kingdom of God without the ONLY way to the Father, which is in Jesus Christ.
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February 11th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Anon,
In shaa Allah, the spit will comeback into your face.
Wakeup before you get yourself into the hell..
America is the cause of all the problems around the world
j.w.bosh created a war in Iraq and lost how many billions while some people in america are jobless…
did you watch how your x-presedent was humilated in Iraq hehehe that was the most funny thing i have ever seen in ma life..
Allah bless Muslim
Allah bless Muslim
February 11th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar
You want to read go ahead
you dont want, others will read
save your ugly comments for your own
Kafir wahid
mtchem
February 10th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Ask yourself why all the killings in the world are done in the name of allah!
Ask yourself why Hamas militants use and recruit children to fight and die for islam!
Ask yourself why a book preaching ‘peace’ has so many passages of intolerance and violence!
February 10th, 2009 at 1:13 am
Hello,
I understand our emotion doesnt accept to see kids/adults killed whether they are Palastinien or Israel as we are humenbeing.
To all non-Muslim, Dont point finger to The Prophit Mohammed for what is happening around the world. Dont insult him.
First you need to know more about him more and WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY WHHHHHHY WHY?
we love him and against these drawings.p
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February 1st, 2009 at 8:49 am
I SPIT IN THE FACE OF ALLAH. ALLAH AND MUHAMMED WERE GAY DONKEYFUCKERS. Islam is not a religion its a kult, its aim is to destroy liberty.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:13 am
do your research and you will come to the right conclusion. by research, i don’t mean some random column that happens to appeal to your world view. that piece was written by someone who buys the party line all the way.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Then I’m naive.
January 31st, 2009 at 4:08 pm
@rucker
a very naive view. the balkan “interventions” were justified with supposed “atrocities” committed by the serbs, which pale in comparison to what the US regularly unleashes upon other countries, iraq included. i’m not buying that angle. there must indeed be some strategic US interest in the region otherwise we would not have this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel
January 30th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
from Charles Krauthammer’s column on showing respect to muslims:
“Is it “new” to acknowledge Muslim interests and show respect to the Muslim world? Obama doesn’t just think so, he said so again to millions in his al-Arabiya interview, insisting on the need to “restore” the “same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago.”
“Astonishing. In these most recent 20 years — the alleged winter of our disrespect of the Islamic world — America did not just respect Muslims, it bled for them. It engaged in five military campaigns, every one of which involved — and resulted in — the liberation of a Muslim people: Bosnia, Kosovo, Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq.
“The two Balkan interventions — as well as the failed 1992-93 Somalia intervention to feed starving African Muslims (43 Americans were killed) — were humanitarian exercises of the highest order, there being no significant U.S. strategic interest at stake. In these 20 years, this nation has done more for suffering and oppressed Muslims than any nation, Muslim or non-Muslim, anywhere on Earth. Why are we apologizing?”
Indeed.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Allah bu karikatürlari yapanlara ve destekleyenlere azab?n? gösterecetir in?aallah
January 27th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Sorry Muslim women, you still refuse to acknowledge that the atrocities committed in Darfur in 5 years equal those committed to the Palestinians by Israel over 5+ decades, which makes you a hypocrite of the highest order, so blinded by your hatred of the Jews (inspired by your so-called holy text).
I dont support Israel and never have, but I certainly dont support blood-thirsty, irrational, bigotted muslims either. I admire you for your courage to at least begin to open your mind, but it doesnt go any further until you can go all the way and renounce your irrational hatred of all things jewish.
January 26th, 2009 at 2:38 am
congratulations to the password gang
January 26th, 2009 at 2:22 am
that rat has not been sniffed out
January 26th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Muslim Woman do the famous Korgan “copy and paste” to your browser for the URL resource name below
youtube.com/watch?v=dDCdGPJQ-hM
January 26th, 2009 at 1:12 am
“please, can you prove that he is alive?”
Actually, there were TWELVE cartoonists, not one!!
Can YOU prove that any of them are dead???
January 25th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Muslim Woman, i really have to tell you something. test the scriptures and see for yourself if these things are so. if i take my eyes of my Lord it will be on this world and the things of this world. i tell you by reading your post you are still looking to yourself and the things of this world. Muslim Woman, the things of God are not of us but by Him alone. i want to show some thing you wrote that lets you stay grounded on the things of this world and is offensive to all because the truth is far from you and them basically you’re all the same line of behaviour and thinking.
Notice that everything is based on what she wants and is on her thoughts and the things she wants. MG stayed calm yet the others riot, killed and want blood for this. If action is to be taken which you must agree that others already have done so. One debater, a Muslim brother(on a UK talk show debate) said “we took the hook, line and sinker” concerning the these drawings. He also, said before these cartoons came out, the newspaper printed cartoons of Jesus yet no Christians acted on it like we Muslims of the world, Why, did the Christians did nothing? We know the Truth in Gods word and we know that to transform a sinner is not kill them but to make them see the love Jesus Christ “The Only way to the Father” has for them. MW & MG this love I talk about is of equal to man and woman and woman is not lesser in the eyes of God. If you’re to question things of faith or scripture would it make you less in the eyes of God? I can tell you NO! because if you seek it with a true heart you will only see the love he has for each of you.
I respect your ideas, MW & MG but really ask yourself, is it really any different from what the people(non-believer’s) here say? I think you’re both the same because you both are in this world which is lost therefore the thinking is in the same path. Why does it matter if this guy that drew this cartoons is alive or dead? really ask yourself this question because in your answer will only reveal, what Jesus Christ say’s is in your heart and I know for certain it is not of God but the blindness you both walk. I say test the scriptures for yourself, for none of the things i say none will believe, test i say that you may see the things that the Holy Spirit shows me. If Jesus is in your heart, He will be your light in this world.
When Jesus made a blind man see the people did not believe and wanted to find something, a reason that they can kill Him for… JHN 9 “He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.”
If not today MW & MG what i say i pray thee, that you too may receive that sight that Jesus can only bring. come to cross and let your sins be forgiven- In Jesus Christ alone.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
yeah dear sister i think that you are right. this place does not belong to us. i never ment to criticise you, you know that very well… i apologise again because you thought i critisised you, but i realy didint.
this is my last message here as well…
January 25th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
And this is really my last comment here. If possible, please don’t mention my nickname or ask me any more questions as I won’t already see them.
And know that if someone writes using the “muslim woman” nickname again, it’s not me.
Still I’m not hurt. I’ll try to remember these as civilized discussions.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Muslim Girl - I see now that in fact you’ve critised me. You prefer being insulted instead of our prophet. OK, I understand you. But I don’t want to be insulted instead of anybody. This is my idea. It would be better if neither Prophet Mohammed nor me were insulted.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Muslim Girl - Dear sister, you’ve misundertood me. I didn’t criticise you. Of course you can attend here and tell your ideas if you want. This is your natural right.
I said “I won’t attend a place where I’m being insulted” but this sentence was not to you. I said this to some people here and not because of the caricatures. The main reason was that they described my faith (islam) as “repugnant”. So I noticed that I’m clearly being insulted here.
If you want, of course you can go on telling your ideas. Attending such a site is not a sin or crime. But please don’t expect anybody to respect you. Because although I’ve respected all of these atheists, they unfortunately never respect me (except 1 or 2 people). And don’t expect them to accept your ideas. This is never possible as they always support eachother. No matter you’re right or wrong.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:52 am
and Muslim woman, you say that you wouldn’t attend a place where you’re insulted! but, take a look at the pictures ahead. they are insulting pictures for the all Muslim community. if you meant that “you wouldn’t attend a place where you wouldn’t be insulted” just personaly, than OK. but still that’s not OK.you should know that if someone insults the Last Messenger of God than All the Muslims are insulted. for me it would be much better to insult ME rather than Muhammed(PBUH). if i misunderstood something, i apologize…
January 25th, 2009 at 10:09 am
no! I’m not disappointed at all! i said that i stay calm, because i know sooner or later he will get the punishment he deserves. not only he but all the people that are against Islam and Muslim people. anyway, i am not arguing with anybody, I’m just saying my ideas. and as i respect your ideas, even though they are contrary to mine, i also want you to respect mine…
please, can you prove that he is alive?
January 25th, 2009 at 10:00 am
infidel - Next time you’d better notice what you’re reading! I’m not Muslim girl, but Muslim woman and it was Muslim girl asking that question! If you had known me better, you would know that I don’t ask such kind of questions! Besides I have no intention to ask you anything or make any comments as I had said that I wouldn’t attend a place where I’m insulted.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:04 am
It’s pure bullshit muslimwoman, it’s just a stupid rumour that’s been going around on muslim sitesfor a long time.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the guy is alive and well!!
January 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
people i was searching about this person that draw the caricatures of Muhammed (PBUH). i heard that he got burn in his house and died there. but the Denmark media doesn’t want to make it public. is this true? does anybody know where this person lives and is he still alive? i just wonder if this news is true. i got really insulted about what he dit, but i stay calm, because i know he will get the punishment he deserves.
peace people
January 21st, 2009 at 8:20 am
Muslim Women, lol you just encountered the password gang. I am here for you MW, you are of a different colour:)
FYI Jesus love you, just to let you know.
January 20th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Im still keen to know what is ‘mocking’ about the majority of those cartoons (besides the ‘no graven images’ thing), the bomb turban one aside - because frankly even i find that one in poor taste.
I describe your religion as repugnant as ive read parts of the koran with the hatred and bile contained within. I never actually realised just how awful it was until i read it and was gobsmacked - i thought just the jewish faith and old testament was the worst, but seems Mohammed really perfected the art! You personally might not have described other religions/beliefs etc as repugnant, but fact is the VAST MAJORITY of muslims believe worse than this of non muslims - try denying that and i’ll call you a liar or delusional!
PS Atheism isnt a religion - its a LACK of religion.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Jayman - Don’t worry, I have no intention to turn anybody to a follower of Prophet Mohammed. This was not my aim to attend this forum. I had seen the caricatures and just wanted to ask you why you’re mocking at our religious assets as you hurt the moderate muslims instead of the terrorists but now I see that you in fact enjoy hurting every muslim in the world.
“And yet she hides behind vagaries of language because her mind is so utterly poisoned against Jews by her repugnant faith.”
I’ve never described any faith as “repugnant” in my life including atheism (although it’s very opposite to me). I’ve always respected christianity and jewishness as I believe that my faith is already a continuance of them. And I didn’t insult anybody on this forum until now, on the contrary I looked for a common point to meet with atheists here although it seemed impossible.
But this is a place where muslims are clearly insulted. Even a moderate muslim can’t bear with you very long. Being a self-respecting muslim, I can’t stay at a place where the “repugnant” adjective is used for describing my faith.
There’s a proverb by us: “Deafs and blinds host eachother”. Here “deaf” and “blind” are not insulting words. This proverb is used in the figurative sense and means that similar people support eachother and don’t shelter a different person among them. So I mean, deafs and blinds host eachother here and suppose I’m a crippled, I’m sentenced to be insulted. For ex, “infidel” says something, “POA” affirms, “Korgan” affirms, “rucker” affirms (although he tries to understand me a little) and finally “Jayman” insults. And hyrocket goes on advertising about christianity, I don’t know even why. Well, is there anybody by my side? No. I’ve been probably left alone here as all the muslims came, saw the caricatures, cursed and went without helping me although they would agree me as they didn’t (or couldn’t) even read the subjects. Maybe they thought it was not worth trying. Anyway, this is your place, so go on hosting eachother.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:58 am
Jayman your probably right but i can’t give on Muslim Woman or all the Muslim Woman in this world that need to hear The Truth i bring to them. So, they may see the love of Jesus Because He is the source of your life and her life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.
Muslim Woman, give me your eyes for a second and all who would give ear to this because once i did not care.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OihvG607W-c
“but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.”
and the thing you find amazing is the Amazing Grace that He has to offer…
Let us sing Amazing Grace, for it will comfort your soul.
January 19th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Hyrocket - you have as much chance of getting her to listen to Jesus as she does of turning you into a follower of Mohammed… Or having her admit that 5 years of genocide in Darfur has resulted in the SAME AMOUNT OF DEATHS as ALL OF THOSE caused in Palestine SINCE 1967.
And yet she hides behind vagaries of language because her mind is so utterly poisoned against Jews by her repugnant faith.
January 19th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Muslim Woman let us stop twisting what “The Truth” really is, that there is ONE and nothing else. Who is this I talk about, here is what my heart sings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ChgTPSzIS0
January 19th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Muslim Woman, what is the difference, there is none. Who has died and who has risen and who forgives sin? In Jesus Christ-Alone!
Muslim Woman in Romans 5:8 “God demonstrated His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us”.
We can twist the words we use but it will show that we have fallen short of the glory of God. Do you remember that guy that threw a shoe Pres. Bush? You’re people are trying to make martyr out of him, see for yourself.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/vidPlayer.aspx?videoId=10433
let us twist the death of my brothers and sisters.
January 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
“The Gaza what, infidel? You have to say “the Gaza genocide” or “the Gaza massacre”. Otherwise I can say “the Darfur thing”. First you have to accept this, then I may talk about Darfur.”
Call it what you will muslimwoman, but the fact remains, that the muslim world has ignored darfur for years, and no matter how you twist things you can’t deny THAT!!
January 18th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
..If all muslims are going to paradise when they die, then why are all living muslims so upset when it happens. Surely they should be happy for them?
January 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am
hey guys,please read the “Mevlana celaleddin rumi”..
January 18th, 2009 at 10:58 am
danimarka senin a.q orospu çocuklar? siz bizim peygamberimize böyle resimler yapamazs?n?z cezan?z? elbet bulursunuz. piçççççç siniz geberin in?allah!…..
January 18th, 2009 at 5:04 am
“the darfur genocide was going on YEARS BEFORE the gaza thing,”
But notice what you’ve written: “the Darfur genocide”, “the gaza thing”…
The Gaza what, infidel? You have to say “the Gaza genocide” or “the Gaza massacre”. Otherwise I can say “the Darfur thing”. First you have to accept this, then I may talk about Darfur.
Note: Yesterday I saw a doctor crying on the TV. Because of a bomb, 3 of his 5 daughters have died and also the other two are gravely injured. He was begging for help to save at least his two other daughters. And a week ago I saw a mother and a father leading their 5 dead daughters. They were not even crying as they were shocked because of losing all of their children in one day.
January 17th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
““Muslimwoman, don’t you have an answer to my post no. 3639??????”
You can’t expect me to accept the Darfur genocide as long as you don’t accept the Gaza genocide.”
Very neat sidestep muslim woman, EXCEPT…. the darfur genocide was going on YEARS BEFORE the gaza thing, you and the rest of islam had plenty of time to protest about it, but you DIDN’T!!!, it’s a bit late now to tie it in with gaza.
January 17th, 2009 at 6:00 am
Korgan -
“You have stepped away from the tenets of your religion to move towards what is more reasonable in your daily activities, and have apparently formed your own more reasonable ethics in the course of doing this. At some point, you really should put aside the religion completely. Clearly, you don’t need it.”
Right except the last part only. I still need it as I believe in God’s existence.
Rucker -
“Also, you are the kind of Muslim that most resembles Christians, that is, you have rejected the violence in your religions and try instead to focus on your character, if I understand you correctly.”
Completely right insomuch as that no other words could describe us (me and the people living here) better. Thanks for your conception.
infidel -
“Good old Israel is giving it to hamas RIGHT up the ass!!!, go jews, GO.”
“MUSLIMWOMAN
THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND people have been killed in Darfur by muslim militias!!, and 2.5 million made homeless.
But where is the muslim “anger” about this??, where are the protests by islamic countries??”
“Muslimwoman, don’t you have an answer to my post no. 3639??????”
You can’t expect me to accept the Darfur genocide as long as you don’t accept the Gaza genocide. You had said “Go Jews go!” and they really “went” so much that they killed the doctors, hit the hospital filled with woundeds and the UN aid building to destroy the food and medicine there “purposely” by using white phosphorus bombs cruelly. Total casualties is 1100 and most of these are certainly civilians. Now you’ll say you don’t believe the UN data? Then I don’t have a necessity to believe the UN data for Darfur.
This is not a religion problem.This is a humanity problem. We need human rights just because of this. Yesterday you needed them, today we need them. Tomorrow who knows who? As long as you don’t have any compassion in your heart for our children being killed there, I don’t have any necessity to talk about Darfur.
hyrocket -
“Muslim Woman and Korgan, I understand, what you are saying.”
Then I’m happy that you understand us. Because I have difficulty in understanding you. Maybe your native language is not English just like me. But it could be better if you didn’t quote from Bible so much because they are difficult for me to understand. But still thanks for your remarks. You’re a different colour here.
January 15th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Someone said Ooh I thought You have problems with Islam & Muslims.
So you are against those terrorists,not usual Muslims.
Is it true?
Well, I do have problems with religions as I think they are untrue and yet we are supposed to respect anything that is called religious and never question, never laugh, never show “disrespect”, and in general kow tow to people’s beliefs in fairies and leprechauns. That gets really tiresome and insulting. And many religious people would like to limit people’s freedom. And islam specifically is full of open-ended violence and other things that are distasteful to me: subordination of women, extreme forms of punishment, calls to kill non-muslims, etc.
As for “usual Muslims” too many of them support the terrorist muslims in too many ways. Either through silence or by believing in the “causes” - none of which seem legitimate - the terrorists espouse. But I try to judge individual muslims on an individual basis.
January 15th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Muslim Woman said,
“But think logically just for a moment, why would a child die to pay for my sin?” “My sin belongs to me,”
How should we think logically? reality is that “IF, IF” you converted to Christianity you would be sentence to death yet your sin belongs to you and not those kids or the ones that would kill you, yet the wages of of sin is death.
Those kids we talk about are dead, why Muslim Women? because you say your sins are yours and not those kids yet they are dead, why?
What about post 3639? your sins are your sins yet they’re dead. what sinners would pass their sins to another?
Muslim Woman there is only one way to life and there is one way to death. which bus should we be on because only one bus is going to our Father.
“My” Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was right, when He said in John 14:6
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me”.
Muslim Woman said “Besides we don’t accept Jesus as God.”
Guess what Muslim Woman the atheist say there is no God.
Until the Muslim world and the Atheist world see what we are, as be B. Dunning say’s “we are humans” But God tells us that “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” and our continual denial of the Truth in Jesus will result in which bus we take.
Muslim Woman and Korgan, I understand, what you are saying.
January 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Infidel - I am in no way intending to speak for Muslim woman who we know can speak quite well for herself, but I think the evidence indicates that if it doesn’t involve Jews, most muslims seem not to care. Hence the deep silence about Darfur. I will say, however, not that many other people of other religions seem to care much either. Why is the UN not on top of that as they are on top of Israel/Gaza? Why does the UN not send peacekeeping forces to BOTH regions? What is it about the victims in Darfur that makes them expendable in the eyes of so many people?
January 15th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Muslim woman - Thanks for your response about Christinaity/Islam, etc. It was refreshing but surprising to hear someone talk so frankly about the fact that a person’s religion depends mostly on the religion they were born into. Few religious people can bring themselves to admit that. Also, you are the kind of Muslim that most resembles Christians, that is, you have rejected the violence in your religions and try instead to focus on your character, if I understand you correctly. If only the millions of muslims who do not reject the violence could follow your example.
So though we obviously disagree deeply on important issues, and I wish you had responded to certain questions, I thank you for your participation here.
January 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Muslimwoman, don’t you have an answer to my post no. 3639??????
January 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Ooh I thought You have problems with Islam & Muslims.
So you are against those terrorists,not usual Muslims.
Is it true?
January 15th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I just learned this (from Amnesty International’s site):
This document is submitted to the Committee on the occasion of the examination of Lebanon’s third periodic report. In this document, Amnesty International briefly describes how state policies and practices in Lebanon discriminate, effectively on grounds of racial and national origin, against Palestinian refugees who reside in Lebanon and that, consequently, Lebanon is failing to comply with its obligations under the Convention on the Rights of the Child. Concerns include limitations on the right to an adequate standard of living, the right to education, the right to be registered and the right to a name.
January 15th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
To Someone: I have answered those questions about 100 times on this site, so here’s just the short version of why I think muslim terrorism is related to their religion: The terrorist say so and then prove it by quoting islamic texts. Get it? What is so hard to understand about that? The terrorists say, “We are acting in the name of allah and can support our actions by quoting the koran and hadith.” Again, what is so hard to understand? The terrorists are the ones who link their terrorism to their religion, NOT ME!@($&*()&#$
January 15th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Ruckor,you said:”Do you think we can’t read the newspapers”
& you put many links in previous pages.
but how do you trust them?
—
Of course there are some(or maybe many) terrorists who are Muslim. But why do you think it’s related to their religion?
Do you think if they weren’t Muslim they wouldn’t be terrorists in those situations?
why?
January 15th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
An excellent article on the sources and causes of the problems in Israel and Gaza:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/The%20Big%20Arab%20Lie.htm
January 14th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2009/01/youssef-m-ibrahim-to-my-arab-brothers.html
January 14th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
“hyrocket - 292 children were killed in Gaza in 18 days”
MUSLIMWOMAN
THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND people have been killed in Darfur by muslim militias!!, and 2.5 million made homeless.
But where is the muslim “anger” about this??, where are the protests by islamic countries??
January 14th, 2009 at 11:25 am
I can’t help but think in reading post 3637 that religion is an incredible ever-growing entanglement of all the (frequently self-contradictory) nonsense and flawed logic that has to be invoked to prop it up. One can only hope that enough people will eventually realize this, such that the whole farcical enterprise of religion collapses and goes away completely.
Consider the contradictions and unreasonableness that you see so clearly in Christianity. Similarly severe contradictions exist in Islam. You’ve already seen many references on this point, but a primary example is the direct contradiction of the all-merciful yet violently punishing Allah.
You have stepped away from the tenets of your religion to move towards what is more reasonable in your daily activities, and have apparently formed your own more reasonable ethics in the course of doing this. At some point, you really should put aside the religion completely. Clearly, you don’t need it.
January 14th, 2009 at 11:02 am
hyrocket - Being a devout christian, you believe that those children died in Gaza to pay for our sins just like Jesus had done before. But think logically just for a moment, why would a child die to pay for my sin? My sin belongs to me, I’ll already pay for it in the other world, right? Besides we don’t accept Jesus as God. He’s just a respectable prophet as I’ve told these many times. So you can perhaps call an atheist back to christianity but you can’t create a christian from a muslim, forget it please. I didn’t say I may be a christian, I said this would be my second choice. I don’t recognize christianity as a better religion than islam, this is your idea, so why would I change my religion? There’s not really such a probability.
rucker - Of course we could be good friends then, why not? Ideas may be different but respecting each other is enough. Now let me answer your question. “Devout” means “sincere” or “religious”? If “sincere”, yes, I’m a sincere muslim. But if “religious”, no, I can’t say I’m a religious muslim. As I was raised in a muslim but non-religious family and as I’m still living in a non-religious city at the west, I can’t describe myself as a religious muslim today. For ex, I’m not covered or veiled. I may drink (but I personally prefer only on special days). I studied and worked together with men. I’m not performing the namaz although it has to be performed five times a day normally. And although I want to fast for God, I fasted only three days last year instead of 30 days and this year I couldn’t fast even one day because of my migraine. But I’m not the only one as there are millions of such muslims here. We’re sincerely muslims but have defects to apply the rules.
Besides rucker, I said I would be a christian if I was born in a christian country. Because according to me, the main problem is that you believe in God or not. If you do, then you need a religion to contact with God. It doesn’t matter which one it is. I believe in God and need a religion, right? As I was born in a muslim country and a muslim family, I’ve automatically become a muslim. If I was born in Europe, I would automatically be a christian and it wouldn’t matter because I would embrace christian rules then. Just like them, I would say “Jesus is God’s Son. He died to pay for our sins” etc. I would believe so. I think it doesn’t matter after death if these are all the same God’s religions, holy books and prophets. In fact the main point must be being a good and decent person. I haven’t lived considering the religious rules during all my life but ethic rules. As a result, I already don’t know where I’ll go after death. Being muslims who neglect performing the muslim rules, where will we go or can we really go to heaven? Or believing sincerely will be enough or not? We don’t know really. In fact there’s no guarantee for anybody about this even if he’s a muslim, christian, jew or atheist, I think.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Muslim Woman(from POST 3634) 293 are gone from this earth and around this world, why are they gone Muslim Woman… to understand why you must start with you so you know why.
You say, i am tolerant of these acts yet you are tolerant of why they are gone from this earth.
Muslim Woman, i don’t have to hope anymore because my Father, who is in heaven, are with Him. The reason why you don’t know the only truth, the life the hope i have, is because you and everyone here don’t understand what i talk about concerning the love of the Saviour Jesus Christ of this world, has for them.
“no need to try to change anybody’s ideas.”
Muslim Women, this is the problem, everyone right in their eyes is right and it’s not about me, forget me, it’s about a heart change towards the only God who is Christ Jesus.
Jesus said “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6).
and because the continue death on these innocent children is our sin towards our God and each other.
“The wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23a).
“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23).
“God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved” (John 3:16-17).
“Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17:3).
Muslim Woman, i have Muslim brothers and sisters who are Christian and once you believe in Jesus you are no longer in a hopeless state but are forgiven in His amazing grace.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Muslim woman - I have frequently felt that if you and I met in person and there were no Middle East, Gaza, Israel, etc., we would probably get along pretty well. You are obviously an intelligent and educated woman, and I enjoy the company of intelligent and educated women - please understand I mean that in a completely non-sexual, non-romantic way.
I wonder if you can explain a little more how you, a devout Muslim obviously, can see Christianity as a religion that you would follow if you were not already muslim. For example, do you believe that it does not matter after death? Just curious.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:40 am
hyrocket - 292 children were killed in Gaza in 18 days! The survivors already lost their parents. Let’s become tolerant toward this genocide and hope that they will go to Heaven. No! This thought doesn’t give any comfort to my heart, sorry.
And I have no intention to step back and agree with “rucker” although I respect him as I know very well what I’m saying. No doubt we support the opposite sides about Gaza problem and no need to try to change anybody’s ideas. So I’m cutting off Gaza debate here. It’s obvious that none of us here change our minds. And there’s no need to meet at a point in fact.
Besides I’m pleased with my religion and don’t need to change it. It’s useless to tell a muslim about the beauties of christianity as I already know and accept them. And I had already said that I would be a christian if I wasn’t a muslim, but I am. And we’re not very different in fact, except “your Father” is not “my Father” but “my God”. So you’d better tell these to atheists instead of me if they wish to learn of course. But still thanks for your emphatizing efforts about Gazan children.
And rucker- Thanks for sparing your time to answer me. As I’ve mentioned above I respect your ideas but can’t accept them as mine are very different. I hope you respect me, too.
January 13th, 2009 at 2:45 am
Muslim Woman you have to agree with Rucker’s Post 3631. You need to step back and look at the big picture.
you said, a Turkish proverb as “Fire burns only the place into which it falls”. That means: only the person living a bad event suffers and the others can’t understand him or suffer as much as him. To understand the people in Gaza, you have to emphatize.
Muslim Woman, i understand and so dearly empathize what your saying but you must start with you and i can show you the only way to OUR Father. If you would walk with the Holy One you will see with your heart then your with your head and realize what we all are.
Can I share this with you and a verse that would tie this together to make some sense. i lost my key in a park running and i helped this kid that fell off a bike and my shorts end got hung on this bike as i lifted it up. Later as i was about to leave -i said i lost my key helping this kid(upset inside) but today i found it in another location i had been. i was blaming this kid and not myself for this incident because i was focused on the fault of the loss of my key and it was not that kid.
In Luke 6:42 “How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye.
Muslim Women step back see the truth that Rucker talk’s about. For your comfort to your heart the Children that have died are with Our Father in heaven, for He has love that I can’t comprehend but bow and give thanks for this.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Muslim woman - There was one more thing I wanted to mention in response to your story about the Israeli girls writing messages on rockets or bombs.
You were angry that they were taught that sort of thing. But I wonder if you know that in Gaza there are children’s TV shows that teach hatred and killing of Jews. And the elementary schools there teach the same sorts of things and have graduation ceremonies were the children act out killing Jews. This sort of thing is compeltely beyond my ability to understand. hamas seems determined to condemn its people to everlasting war and suffering and blood simply because of the hatred for Jews burning in their hearts, a hatred that islam teaches.
Why do they not instead get control of themselves (they’relike addicts) and start building a society and country where their children can thrive and be more than pawns in hamas’s wars. This is what Golda Meier meant when she said peace would come when muslims start loving their children more than they hate Jews.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Muslim woman – Thought I would respond earlier than this but when you have a child in your life, sometimes your life is not your own.
Yes, I have a child in my life which makes it very easy for me to empathize with anyone who has lost a child to death. If you have children in your life, then you might know that it takes nothing for a fantasy of harm coming to that child to pop into your mind and even such an imagined event can get your feelings up. So, yes, I do empathize with the people losing their children in Gaza and Israel. In fact, the whole time I read your post I had a rueful smile because all along I have been urging you to empathize with the Israelis. But you seem unwilling or unable to do so. It’s difficult to understand why, to say the least.
But even with my empathy for the children, I still believe that Israel has the moral high ground. There are several reasons for that.
First, hamas tries to kill civilians including children and does not limit trying to kill children to Israeli children. They want Palestinian children to be killed too (they have said so) so that they can work up outrage at Israel. And it’s working. Israel, on the other hand, tries to avoid killing civilians. That means Israel wins the high ground on that question.
hamas has as its stated intention the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews everywhere, which is a plan for genocide. And now muslims around the world are attacking Jews. Israel has no such plan for the Gazans. In fact, muslims/Arabs living in Israel have better lives with more rights than those living in islamic countries. So Israel wins the high ground on that question also.
During Ramadan a couple of years ago, a website ran a story about the fact that during that period, 2 Jews received the 138th and 139th Nobel prizes for science. During that same time, muslims had killed a hundred or so people. And let’s not forget the huge contribution of Jews to literature and the arts. No such accomplishment on the muslim side. My conclusion: Jews contribute more to the good of the world than do muslims. That puts Jews on the high ground again.
muslims accuse Israel of acting like Nazis and carrying out a genocide, but it is only in pro-hamas rallies that I see people (muslims) giving the nazi salute, with signs that say Hitler did not go far enough, and other such sentiments such as the video posted of the woman shouting that the Jews need ovens and calling for genocide against Jews. And many, many signs calling for jihad against Israel. Of course, when a non-muslim mentions muslims engaged in jihad, there is outrage from “moderate” muslims who wants us to believe that jihad actually means a “peaceful inner struggle to be a better person”. Someone needs to tell that to the pro-hamas demonstrators and bin-laden because they seem to misunderstand islam (or do they?). And many, maybe most, of those rallies turn violent including looting businesses along the way – what has looting and stealing got to do with the hamas “cause”? In fact, it is my general impression (supported by news media daily) that wherever muslims gather, trouble is usually quick to follow.
Sorry, but that’s all for now.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
The hyrocket-bot has already been dealt with in many prior posts, such as this one. No new material, just more spewing of the same old unsupported nonsense, is in its latest posts.
Religion is ridiculous.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Korgan, why do you twist my words to make fit your agenda of hate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vs5nZYq1hY&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
pitch you tents Korgan.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
No, that is not a valid conclusion, in that you have assumed no other causes of violence, present or future. Your thinking is flawed, as usual.
Regardless, the hyrocket-bot has already been dealt with in many prior posts, such as this one. No new material, just more spewing of the same old unsupported nonsense, is in its latest posts.
Religion is ridiculous.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
So, if you remove the God out of the “assumed common factor” you will not have such problems? “assumed common factor” is right because both are wrong and they worship and deny the Truth and The Truth in The Messiah Jesus and The Saviour for this world. The cause of the problems is that we are sinners and if they see the Love of God through His Son they would say we were wrong.
Korgan Says: post 3625
Re 3624, that by jagannath is a brilliant comment. driven partly by conflicting beliefs as to what “god” wants, and could go away entirely if the beliefs went away.
Religion is ridiculous, and often fatal.
jagannath Says: post 3624
So, the assumed common factor is the belief in a god but still you are unable to live in peace. Have you ever considered that to be the cause of the problems.
January 11th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Good old Israel is giving it to hamas RIGHT up the ass!!!, go jews, GO.
January 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Re 3624, that by jagannath is a brilliant comment. The conflict between Hamas and Israel (along with many others referred to in this thread, including re the cartoons themselves) is driven partly by conflicting beliefs as to what “god” wants, and could go away entirely if the beliefs went away.
Religion is ridiculous, and often fatal.
January 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am
So, the assumed common factor is the belief in a god but still you are unable to live in peace. Have you ever considered that to be the cause of the problems .
January 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Why dont we just stop this hattered?! All Christian and Jews and Muslims!
I guess that we all believe in one thign which is god. (apperantly the only thing we have in common!) And god wanted all of us to get along!
P.S. My dad is Muslim and my mom is Christian,, And heck they get along so well!
January 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Muslim woman:
The idealogical difference between the West and the likes of Hamas, AlQaida etc are that the west accepts that there is going to be some collateral damage when it attacks (or defends) itself, however reprehensible the action may seem (see the ridiculous Iraq war)
Muslim militants however STRIVE for collateral damage and the death of innocents as the number 1 goal - and your religion and its text condone this to the full extent.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
*looks good* i have to jet for now wish comment later
i enjoy your conversation Rucker and Muslim Woman.
Pseudonym Says:”The problem is that the best motives in the world can be twisted by people determined enough to do bad things.”
January 8th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Hi Muslim woman - And I understand your point and want to comment some more on it. I will not be able to do that until tomorrow at the earliest.
I’m glad we’re still talking.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I understand you, rucker, but there’s a Turkish proverb as “Fire burns only the place into which it falls”. That means: only the person living a bad event suffers and the others can’t understand him or suffer as much as him. To understand the people in Gaza, you have to emphatize. For ex, suppose there were really a few militants in the school, they fired and so the israelites bombed.But they knew very well that there were a lot of women and children there. Now please emphatize. Suppose you’re a Gazan, your wife and little children shelter there. Then the militants fire and so (”naturally” according to you) ?srael bombs there to answer the fire and so your family die. Then would you be able to say serenely “Oh, of course they were right to kill my family, after all two militants had fired, this is natural.”? I mean, can a fire from militants be a reason to bomb a place where civilians hide? Can a fire legitimize killing of especially children? You always have a logical way of arguing but if you manage to put yourself instead of those people, would you be able to take this granted? If you were instead of them, you wouldn’t accept to lose your family just because of the militants’ fire. This is not something acceptable so you would think “this is a genocide” although you don’t think so today. You would think that your family hadn’t deserved dying. This thought and anger would cause you to see them as NAZIS although you don’t today. You would lose your logic if you were instead of them. Because logics wouldn’t be able to make you forget the pain of your family. Don’t forget, 700 people in total, mostly civilizians, will never come back. Nothing can bring them back again. So we can never approve israel’s doings. If a strong country attacks Turkey someday, by using the terrorists in Turkey as an excuse, believe me I don’t accept my family’s being killed even if terrorists open fire. There can never be an excuse about this according to me.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
MW - I forgot to say I have not yet read your links about the bombs.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
You’re welcome, Muslim woman. I included the definition of feisty because I knew it sometimes has a negative meaning. But in fact, I have never heard it used negatively.
Also, after I posted about the phosphorus bombs, I realized it would be easy to find any sources, so I did. Now so far, all the accounts I have read indicate that Israel is using them “legally” - as cover. Not as weapons used against homes or people. So I think there is still some doubt about that. Also, some of the accounts about the school bombing quote Palestinians who were there as saying they saw hamas men firing from that position, so again there are doubts. I don’t put a lot of faith in the UN, by the way.
I am happy you agree that hamas is not flawless. I think they’re pretty awful, but I understand you disagree. I also think there is lots of available information about them that shows they do not really have the interests of their people in mind. I do believe the issue is not Israel, but Joos. As you know, the hamas charter includes the hadith about trees and rocks calling out to come kill the Jews. To me, MW, that means that have a program of genocide built right into their constitution. They have publicly called for all Jews around the world to be killed, and many muslims in Europe have taken that to heart. That’s genocide, MW.
And finally, you touched one of my pet peeves. I must seriously object to the use of Nazi to describe the Israelis. Just as I object every single I hear anyone called Hitler or a Nazi which is something the left in the USA especially likes to do to their opponents. So I want to review a few things: The Nazis/Hitler started a war that killed more than 50 million people and engulfed virtually the whole world. And many of them conducted that war with calculated cruelty, not just ruthless efficiency, as did the Japanese. The Nazis/Hitler also had genocide against the Joos as an explicit and expressed part their plan - one thing they share with hamas, not Israel. That war also left hundreds of millions of people scarred physically and emotionally and mentally. My parents and grandparents went through that war. My father and all seven of my uncles fought in it. People of their generation even today speak of that time with tears, obviously still deeply moved and affected to this day. Israel comes nowhere near this kind of evil, even with their faults. As a final example, would the Nazis have called a ceasefire to let food and medicine into Stalingrad as Israel did today. There are lots of other examples of moral behavior by Israel that no Nazi or hamas would have done.
Must make dinner now. Rucker
January 7th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
rucker-
I just showed some sense of humuor re- the things done here,
including the holocaust ones. (if you call them creativity!)
I am noone,poorly religious,but “My work to me, and yours to you! You are free from responsibility for what I do, and I for what you do!”
January 7th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Thanks, rucker. I would understand “plucky” right, but think that “feisty” means “petulant” if you didn’t explain.
Related with your questions… Phosphorus bombs are being highlighted on the TV here everyday. They had
admitted that they had used these in Lebanon before. These are some of many related links:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/145152/index.php
http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=519888
http://www.newstin.com/tag/us/96612185
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/04/israel-cluster-bombs/
You can read about it everywhere and watch in youtube. Here we’re almost sure that these bombs are being used although they’re forbidden to use in residences.
I already knew that you’re not a Jew, you were raised a Christian and later you began not to believe in God and your reason for defending Jews is not your being one of them. Yes, I know all these. But you have difficulty in being equitable. For ex, Israel hit the UN school and killed 43 civils, right? Look what UN voice (spokesman) in Palestine Christopher Gunness has said: “We’re 99.9 % sure that there were no Hamas militants at the school”! UN has passionately denied Israel’s cover. And if this is true, 43 civils (mostly women and children) were killed purposely at the school. On the other hand, we can’t say Hamas is flawless about hiding among children and women and this is not manly of course, but you have to see that sometimes this is not the case. The thing which makes us angry is: Israel acts like NAZI at this war and this is not a war in fact but a genocide. People whose elders have lived the Jewish Holocaust are doing this to muslims now. They had to scruple.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Offended? Not in the least. Why would I be offended at threats about a imaginary leprechaun who is going to condemn me to a place that doesn’t exist? I just think it’s funny how so many of you religious types have blood dripping from your lips and senses of humor. Which fairy do you worship?
January 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
ahahaha,did I offend you rucker,ohhh Ma God ( or should I say rucker’s God)I am sorry, I have seen and read plenty of things about your humuor,and just wanted to show mine!!!
Oppsss,yes again,God’s will be most probably different from yours,but it isnt my problem!
Burn in your own hell,wohooo!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Thanks, Muslim woman - Of course, that is what I assumed the Turkish stuff was about.
I was thinking last night that despite our extreme differences on how we see much of this stuff, I admire your pluckiness, your feisty nature, and the fact that you do not back down, but you do not resort to name-calling and cursing. These young muslim boys that appear here could learn a lot from you.
“Plucky” and “feisty” are words you might not be familiar with, but they are good words, not insults.
pluck·y (plk)
adj. pluck·i·er, pluck·i·est
Having or showing courage and spirit in trying circumstances.
feist?y? ?/?fa?sti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fahy-stee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective, feist?i?er, feist?i?est. 1. full of animation, energy, or courage; spirited; spunky; plucky: The champion is faced with a feisty challenger.
feisty has other, sort of negative connotations, but the above is what I mean.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Yes, rucker, the posts 3588, 3600 and 3602 belong to three different Turks and are of course in Turkish. These are generally “curse” posts not commenting on anything. As they don’t know enough English to comment, they only look at the Muhammed caricatures and curse.In fact I’m sure they are not even aware of the subjects we are discussing. Of course I’m not approving the curses and I’m even pleased that you don’t understand these curses as they make me ashamed (especially if a Turk writes it) but on the other hand, they are young and fiery, so such mockeries about their religion can make them easily angry and this is the only thing they can do to pour out their indignation on you because of the lack of English. (The curses are not only for you of course but for everybody on this forum and especially for the owner of this site). But still, no,I can’t approve this as I’ve never seen you cursing anybody (even for giving it back). No doubt you’re an educated and civilized person. And also the other atheists are cursing only if they are cursed (as an answer). But I still hope that you can all tolerate them and don’t need to answer by cursing as such things bring the level down. Civil discussions are better.
If you still wonder, instead of translating one by one, I’d better say that they are generally sexual curses of course which you can easily guess.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
By the way, Muslim woman, is the poster called fuck you writing Turkish at the beginning of his post? If so, can you tell us what he said?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
And to “FUCK YOU” - I’ve said it to others of your ilk: You have run out of ideas, boy. You are no longer of any use or importance to the human race. Go away.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Elisa Day - Your delight in the thought of my eternal torment says a lot about your sick mind.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Muslim woman, I have read the links you provided. But first let me get this out of the way. In an earlier post you mention I care only for my own kind which made me think that perhaps you think I am a Jew. I am not. I was raised a Christian. Now I follow no religion having seen that there is no evidence that any of them actually reflects reality. So again, for the record, I care about all the innocents killed in this war. You, however, have still not expressed sympathy at all for dead Israeli children, so it seems you are really the one guilty of caring only about her own kind. Sorry, but is that not the case?
Next, I see no mention of phosphorous bombs in the material you provided. What is your source for that information? It counts for nothing if you do not supply the source o the information.
You said, ” And Palentinians are only trying to defend their country. This is natural.” First, there never was a country called Palestine. It was an area under the control of Great Britain, not a sovereign country. And of all that territory, Israel got something like one half of one percent. Second, what you said is exactly what I would say about Israel - they are defending their country. But you keep ignoring that hamas has kept the war going all this time, even through the ceasefire, and that Israel is defending itself.
Do you think it is manly or heroic or honorable for men to hide among children to avoid the consequences of their violence? If so, you might be right, there is no way for us to talk to each other.
I want to clear up one more thing. You have accused me of just hating all muslims. Let me give you a more complex picture of me. It is true that these days when I see people in muslims garb, my first reaction is negative, something like disgust. If the murders committed by muslims every day all around the world were not enough, there would still be all the WHINING muslims do about being offended. Mickey Mouse offends them, china pigs offend them, church bells offend them, and on and on. But, I have lived for more than 60 years in a multiracial, multireligious society, and one thing I have learned in those years is that I have to move past knee jerk reactions. So I certainly do nothing to make the muslims I see uncomfortable. So there is a sandwich shop in my neighborhood that serves a great Polish sausage sandwich that I stop in for every couple of weeks or so. One day as I walked past the shop, I saw that there were two young women in hijab working at the counter. I found that very irritating because I have already had to give up eating in Pakistani restaurants for fear money I spend there will end up in terrorists’ pockets. But I decided I had to give the women a chance. So the next time I went in, we nodded to each other (someone else was waiting on me). Over time, we started saying hello, and the last time I went in I happened to have a a bag of new fish with me (I keep aquariums), and that started our first real conversation. All I can say is that they were friendly, charming young women. Even so, I can’t help but wonder if I got to know them better, would they turn out to be Jew haters or jihad supporters or whatever. But I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. So don’t assume I hate all muslims automatically. I don’t.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
From one of the articles you put up (I’ll more closely at the sites later today):
“The Israeli army said its soldiers came under fire from militants hiding in the school and responded. It accused Gaza’s Hamas rulers of “cynically” using civilians as human shields. Area residents confirmed the account, saying militants were seen staging attacks from the area.”
So what do you expect? That Israel will not defend itself? What do you expect after 6000 rockets in 7 years, many of them during ceasefires, all of them directed at civilians of all ages? And once again, the hamas killers hide among women and children so that when some of them are killed they can scream atrocity.
This is a war that hamas kept pushing for by never stopping the rocket attacks and through other provocation. And this is the war that gazans asked for when they elected hamas to run their “country”. They knew what hamas stands for (the destruction of Israel and all Jews). And now it seems they are saying it’s not fair for Israel to respond to those attacks because Israel is better armed and organized. What nonsense. That’s like saying that if a person attacks me with a knife, I cannot respond by shooting him because a gun is a better weapon that a knife. Gazans made their beds; let them sleep in them. (That’s an English expression that I can explain if you do not understand it.)The tragedy is all the innocent people on both sides dying because of death mongers in hamas.
The fact is that Israel is there to stay. And why not since they were there thousands of years before there was a mohammed. They did not steal the land of Israel, they bought much of it and much of the rest was deserted by local Arabs because the muslim governments around them told them that they should get out of the way while the Arabs crushed Israel, then they were to come back and have all the land. That backfired when Israel kicked Arab ass. If I believed in god, I would say that proved that god did not want the area in muslim hands.
Of course, muslims who stayed in Israel are better off than muslims in the rest of the islamic world in terms of rights and income and health care and so on. And while we’re on it, would hamas send food and medical supplies to Israel if the situation were reversed?
And why did not muslims welcome their fellow “people of the book”? If they love Jews so much as fellow worshippers of the same god, why not make a place for them in their own ancestral homeland? Isn’t that the godly righteous thing to do? After all muslims are in Jerusalem only because of bloody conquest. There is no mention of Jerusalem in the koran, so what claim can muslims have to it? Why not understand that the Jews need their own country because as someone once put it, Israel is the only country on earth where a Jew can live and be certain that his government will not try to kill him for being a Jew. And islam is the religion of peace and compassion, right?
Given that Israel is there to stay, why haven’t the muslims moved on and begun to create a viable country for themselves? It might be a bitter pill to swallow, but wouldn’t it be better for their future generations to just get on with making their own country. As Golda Meier said, We will have peace when muslims learn to love their own children more than they hate Jews.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Please watch the video there, too. You understand English better than me, don’t you? :))
January 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
And this is the last news. Israel hit the UN school in which women and children were hiding and they knew this very well as they had been testing these attacks before in the desert, in a small Gaza they had made. In fact they had planned this occupation and attacks 1,5 years ago and Hamas rockets were only a cover. Everything is working according to the zionism plan. And Palentinians are only trying to defend their country. This is natural. Today if a very strong country tries to occupy Turkey, Turks opposes, too and don’t give even a small part of land to anybody as we saw the example of this in the history. (Turkish War of Independence)
Anyway, the last number of the corpses is not 30 but 55 by now:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090106/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
Besides they are using very cruel deadly phosphorus bombs which are forbidden to use. So they are committing a war crime. These are facts. I can’t believe that you are not aware of these. and if you’re aware but find all these normal, then I’ve really nothing else to tell you. Please think about these once more.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Numbers? Who cares about relative numbers of dead children? What is the magic number of Jewish children that must die before you have any sympathy for them? Dead children are a tragedy no matter who they are. hamas deliberately fires rockets into civilian areas of Israel, then hides behind women and children, and you want to call Israel the villians. And what about the fact that this situation is the making of hamas and other muslim terrorists, not Israel.
And your other site is just about the fact that muslims keep getting their butts kicked by Israel.
So bascially all you can offer is a complaint that Israel is winning the war muslims insist on having.
By the way, do you what what 80% of the former territory of Palestine is called today? Jordan.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
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January 6th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
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