Pope Insults Islam–Cartoons Galore!
On September 14th, Pope Benedict said a few flattering words about Islam during a speech in Germany. Full story here. This resulted in many acts of violence and more importantly, cartoons!! Here are a few. Click image to see full size.
September 19th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
[…] This should come as no surprise to anyone. Cartoons depicting the latest Muslim craze over the Pope’s comments are turning up at a frantic pace. Here is where you will find a permanent home for the cartoons that will grow with time so keep checking :) Here’s a good one to get you started. […]
September 19th, 2006 at 12:34 pm
Here’s a lot.
http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/PopeRemarks/main.asp
September 20th, 2006 at 4:37 am
Seems very one-sided. There hasn’t been quite enough insanity on the moslem side to justify all of this, has there? In Cagle’s collection, the pope takes a few hits.
September 20th, 2006 at 6:53 am
And are the cartoons depicting some thing which is not truth?don’t you think it’s time to get rid of radical muslims?
September 20th, 2006 at 5:09 pm
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November 12th, 2006 at 3:06 pm
This is the most stupid website i ever see. The must stupid, useless and abusive of the time
November 12th, 2006 at 3:18 pm
if you hate so much why are you visiting it? or commenting on 3 different posts?
November 12th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
I am waiting for Western cartoonists to draw some cartoons that show the people who have suffered, been killed or have had there homes and country destroyed due to Western military intervention.
While the Western countries preach deomcracy and human rights, they go around toppling regimes and supporting brutal dictatorships who do there bidding.
Western countries lament of the violence in Africa and other regions, but then sell weapons to boths sides of a conflict. THey make a big deal about the aid they give to Africa. BUt don’t bring up that they extract the natural resources of African countries and exploit slave labor without giving the African peoeple their fair share.
November 12th, 2006 at 4:38 pm
@RandallJones
you sound like a broken record… a broken ricky martin record. *shudder*. have the decency to stay on topic.
November 12th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
randall, do you actually look for those cartoons? because if you actually read the newspapers or looked for them online you would find A LOT of cartoons that bring up the exact subjects you mention. As far as whats happening in Africa(it’s been happening a LONG time), eventhough the us government isn’t doing much, there are MANY charities that are US-based that are trying to make a difference. If you wanna help id recommend donating your time and/or money to those causes.
February 9th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
if islam is wrong so why too many christians become muslim, and no muslim became Christean
from 1400 year the holy book that you assumed that written by man asked for just one page you write them look like the quran
604 pages and you can`t write just ONE
and until now nothin,
how can possible and such small minds, if I want to see my god just go 2 google and hit god in image search
wake up
you are wrong
http://www.aswatalislam.net/DisplayFilesP.aspx?TitleID=50016
February 9th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
I have quesations if your dad killed by knife, do you gonna take this knife and hold it on your chest?
before jesus there was no religion and no living?
is jesus look like any one you know?
is your visit to the church once a year compare by praying to god 5 times in a day to thank him for every blessing he give us?
if there`s paradise waiting for the pope why is he v.scared of death (does`t he think that he will go to paradise), we musilm is not scare of death?
in (Surat al-An’am: 125) GOD said in his holybook : When Allah desires to guide someone, He expands his breast to Islam. When He desires to misguide someone, He makes his breast narrow and constricted as if he were climbing up into the sky, how did that book knew that every when you go up in the sky your breast narrow?how quran know`s about how baby`s life began?
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/
for us we will not laugh about you now, it`s not our ethics but in the paradise of the creater.
February 9th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Normally I wouldn’t respond to such trite dribble, but it’s 4:30 PM EST on a Friday, and I’m trying to kill time till my carpool partner gets out of work. Anyway, here it goes.
“if islam is wrong so why too many christians become muslim, and no muslim became Christean”
Care to back up that claim with some stats and references?
“I have quesations if your dad killed by knife, do you gonna take this knife and hold it on your chest?”
Uuuuhhhhmmmm… No?
“before jesus there was no religion and no living?”
Um, yeah, there were living things BCE and other religions are older than Christianity, such as Judaism and Hinduism.
“is your visit to the church once a year compare by praying to god 5 times in a day to thank him for every blessing he give us?”
Once a year? Hello no, I never go to church. I think that we are all Christians. Almost all of the people who visit this site are NOT Christian.
“if there`s paradise waiting for the pope why is he v.scared of death (does`t he think that he will go to paradise), we musilm is not scare of death?”
Bullshit.
“in (Surat al-An’am: 125) GOD said in his holybook : When Allah desires to guide someone, He expands his breast to Islam. When He desires to misguide someone, He makes his breast narrow and constricted as if he were climbing up into the sky, how did that book knew that every when you go up in the sky your breast narrow?how quran know`s about how baby`s life began?”
WTF does that mean?
Interesting link. Try this one as well:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
February 9th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
For your gods sake, read something on this site before your post anything. Most everyone here is atheist, this means we are not christians nor do we follow jesus’ teachings. Of course you dont care about this, you just wanna preach your ignorant crap. Id be glad to talk to any of you individually, my email is irishthunder042@gmail.com
February 9th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
your the man sid
February 10th, 2007 at 10:29 am
hello again , Iam polite so Iam not gonna get into that offending that you shout me with it.
but for those atheist , even scientists reach that there is A creater who create the small unit of every thing what they call (atom)
and you think (there is no god), so if you think that your father create you so who create the first man? there is no drawing without a artist.
for chemical eng. they think everything was create by reaction of the materials, and they know that there`s a creater for the materials.
I think just looking to the skies and the grounds enough to get there`s a god
(and I write skies and grounds as they refill in the holybook that there`s more the one layer of the ground and of the sky “mentioned before 1400 yr”)
And for the one who asked me about surat al_an`am verse 125 what does it mean?
it`s also matter of science , every time you go above the ground the presure increases making the lungs of the human narrow and constricted
you can find more with video in youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=miracle+of+the+quran&search=Search
February 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Hello TRUTH,
I honestly didn’t expect you to respond! Thanks for taking the time to read my response. Actually, I’m one of the few theists here. The statements that you give to demonstrate the existence of God are classical ones:
“your father create you so who create the first man” - This is a version of the Cosmological Argument. It is a proof for God’s existence that has a grand history within the Islamic tradition. I happen to accept this one; it is why I believe in God. But this only proved God’s existence. It does not prove that the Qu’ran is correct.
“I think just looking to the skies and the grounds enough to get there`s a god” - This can be interpreted as the Teleological Argument. I don’t accept this argument because of the existence of spontaneous complexity found in nature.
“every time you go above the ground the presure increases making the lungs of the human narrow and constricted” - Actually, pressure decreases. But you are right, the human chest does become narrow and constricted the higher in the atmosphere. But this is due to not having air to fill the lungs, not due to pressure. As far as that being in the Qu’ran, I say it could easily be coincidence. Also, the Qu’ran also got some science wrong. Doesn’t the book claim that the Earth does not move? Well, we know it moves, so the Qu’ran is wrong. Also, The Qu’ran claims that Allah made the stars to be missiles to fling a demons. But stars, as we now know, are very distant suns, not missiles of any kind. There are other such problems with the Islamic holy book. Just go here:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
February 11th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
thanks for replay , but iam really busy today , but tomorrow i`ll answer ur questions , and i have the answers for them, sorry and thanks for replay
February 12th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Hello sidfaiwu,
sorry to late,
“Doesn’t the book claim that the Earth
does not move?”
I looked to the link that you send it
to me
“27:61 Who made the earth a fixed
abode”
the answer in 2points:
1st: scientific
we know that the earth density
increases form the surface to the
center of earth, that is because the
exist of a major percent of heavy
elements: steel 90% and nickle 9% and
other elements making earth inner core
which is 31% of earth mass and 55% of
the earth diameter, and for that earth
is abode fixed by it is own.(1)
And the heavy elements inside the
earth was mentioned in quran sura “99:
The Earthquake” verse 2 :”And when the
earth throws out its burdens”
and the distance between the sun and
the earth is about 150 million km, and
as magnetic rule : the mass increase
of any one of 2 bodies increases the
magnetic force, and the more distance
between 2 bodies the less magnetic
force, and also there is A strong
connection between earth mass and sun
mass in A regular way, means each time
the mass of one of them changes the
other get change as well to make the
distance of earth as constant.(2)
“78: The Tidings” verse 7 :” And the
mountains as pegs”we know that the
earth is divided to seven layer the
outer one is the surface it lays on
the outer mantle layer which is
viscid, that will make the surface of
the earth move but god make mountains
to be pegs for the surface to be fixed
abode.
and you know that pegs the small of it
shows above the ground and most of it
underground , the scientists found
that the mountains have roots with
high between double high of the
mountains to 15 time making the
surface layer fixed abode. (3)
2nd:linguistical
and that mean that god make earth to
live in not like other planets ,there
is a water surface of 71% of earth
surface (not ice), 5000 million ton
of oxygen, earth gravity, the day and night and the 4 seasons, means that the earth is fixed abode to it is population
if u look again to the verse you will see the answers that i said above
“61] Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water)? Is there any ilâh (god) with Allâh? Nay, but most of them know not.”
and i`ll answer the second Q in other time , because i take much time with translation
check this site for a good translation
http://quran.muslim-web.com/sura.htm?aya=001
it`s written in arabic (just set in the “?” you`ll find translation–>english)
February 12th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
With the proper interpretation, the cat in the hat can be seen as historical and scientific fact as well. People do the same thing with the bible and Nostradamus. The point is we have never actually learned any historical or scientific fact from any of these books.
Let me put it this way. Scientists are looking for a grand unifying theory now, but they aren’t looking in the Qu’ran (or the bible or any other holy texts that claim to have the answers for everything), and for good reason. However, whenever we do figure it out, people like you are going to find some interpretation of the Qu’ran and say it was there the whole time.
February 13th, 2007 at 4:46 am
and you can find the movement of the earth in the same sura “27: The Ant” verse 88 : “And you will see the mountains and think them solid, but they shall pass away as the passing away of the clouds. The Work of Allâh, Who perfected all things, verily He is Well-Acquainted with what you do.”
http://www.55a.net/firas/english/index.php?page=show_det&id=37&select_page=69
but in the site you give me there is a wrong translation
“with” meaning “ma`a in arabic”
“as” meaning ” ka in arabic”
ask me if not believe what i said to make you see the wrong in the site from the site itself
for Mr.father : It was there in quran , for us muslims we knew it before , for others it`s just now.
and if you are talkin about other religion that has also scientific verses i`ll give link 2 c and tell me if any religion you ever c , had scientific details as this?
http://www.55a.net/firas/english/index.php?page=show_det&id=56&select_page=6
February 13th, 2007 at 8:22 am
“The Qu’ran claims that Allah made the stars to be missiles to fling a demons”
Allah created stars for 3 reasons:
(1) to decorate the lower sky and to glow.
(2) And as landmarks to all mankind to guide themselves at night.
(3) As missiles to drive away the devils.
I’ll talk with three points then I’ll go on:
1) All mankind are leaven in just one layer of the sky which has all those stars around, the Scientifics know there is other layer but for now they don’t know even how much layers are there or what’s after the stars.
2) Devils Allah created them different, not like the human, they have more abilities to move than humans.
3) Angels were created by Allah and they obey the commands of Allah, every one from the angels has his type of work to obey god with, “there is a group of angels who arrange to do the Commands of their Lord” they were mentioned in sura “79: Those Who Drag Forth” verse 5.
”Sura 72: The Jinn” verses 7,8 and 9 “’ ‘And they thought as you thought, that Allah will not send any Messenger (to mankind or jinn)[8]And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires [9] ‘And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush”
those verses means that the devils before the came of the prophet were stealing a hearing from “angels who arrange to do the Commands of their Lord” ,to know the future and what will happen , and some of the devils is delivering what they hear to “those who claims to know the future” , and after the prophet came the heaven was filled with stern guards and flaming fires preventing devils to reach the heaven .
February 13th, 2007 at 8:25 am
check this site:
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng
February 13th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Hello TRUTH,
I have not given the Qu’ran as thorough a study as I have the Bible. Thus I’m a bit out of my element debating the finer points of the Islamic holy text. I am certain that you know it better than I. In trying my usual critiques that I use against Christianity, I find myself unable to do so successfully. Not because there are no credible critiques of Islamic theology, but because I do not know nearly enough about Islamic theology. I’ll continue my education by following the links you have provided.
The only challenge I can present at this time is the following: any God that inflicts eternal suffering (Hell) on its own creation is not worthy of worship. Such a being cannot be all-good. Muslims believe that Allah sends some people to Hell, if I’m not mistaken. Thus Allah is not worthy of worship.
Thanks for your time.
February 14th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
• Hello Sidfaiwu
”Any God that inflicts eternal suffering (Hell) on its own creation is not worthy of worship”
let me discuss this with you, if you killed someone and bury him with sands and nobody see you, do you think that you could get with it, yeah why not, no body see you, but god saw you.
look around you, you going to see people injustice each other, some killing each other for nothing and some for money, some steal you, some are drug dealer all they think is money, someone who is powerful take’s everything from you, so do you think that it’s fair to those all go without punishment, do you think all those who die because of drugs don’t worth anything to Allah, if they not Allah will not create them, Allah said it in his Holy book about the last day in sura 40 :The Forgiver (god) verse 17 “ This Day shall every person be recompensed for what he earned. This day no injustice (shall be done to anybody). Truly, Allah is Swift in reckoning”
everyone in the life Allah is going to reckoning him for everything he do, when you do something good in the life like taking hands of someone blind, giving money to someone poor, Allah given’s you recompense (good deed) , look sura 6:(CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) verse 160 “Whoever brings a good deed (Islamic Monotheism and deeds of obedience to Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him)) shall have ten times the like thereof to his credit, and whoever brings an evil deed (polytheism, disbelief, hypocrisy, and deeds of disobedience to Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him)) shall have only the recompense of the like thereof, and they will not be wronged”, and if your good deed is more than evil deed with one only one you’ll go to paradise.
And for those who make the [great injustice] , they injustice themselves“Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him (in worship), but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He wills; and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” sura 4: women verse 48
In sura 6:(CATTLE, LIVESTOCK) verse 14 “Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) “Shall I take as a Walî (Helper, Protector, Lord or God) any other than Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? And it is He Who feeds but is not fed.” Say: “Verily, I am commanded to be the first of those who submit themselves to Allah (as Muslims).” And be not you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah)”
In sura 7: THE HEIGHTS verse 191 “Do they attribute as partners to Allah those who created nothing but they themselves are created”
In sura 10: Jonah verse 34 “Say: “Is there of your (Allah’s so-called) partners one that originates the creation and then repeats it?” Say: “Allah originates the creation and then He repeats it. Then how are you deluded away (from the truth)”
In sura 13: THE THUNDER verse 16 “Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) “Who is the Lord of the heavens and the earth?” Say: “(It is) Allah.” Say: “Have you then taken (for worship) Auliyâ’ (protectors) other than Him, such as have no power either for benefit or for harm to themselves?” Say: “Is the blind equal to the one who sees? Or darkness equal to light? Or do they assign to Allah partners who created the like of His creation, so that the creation (which they made and His creation) seemed alike to them.” Say: “Allah is the Creator of all things; He is the One, the Irresistible.”
In sura 18: The cave verse 52 “And (remember) the Day He will say: “Call those (so-called) partners of Mine whom you pretended.” Then they will cry unto them, but they will not answer them, and we shall put Maubiq (barrier) between them”
all of that blessing (walk, talk, see, food, money, health, earth, heaven, breath, other who love us, heart, …….”And if you would count the favors of Allah, never could you be able to count them. Truly! Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful” sura 16: the bee verse 18, and after that there’s who made with Allah partners, that is the [great injustice].
February 14th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Hello TRUTH,
Thanks for the information. I have no problems with a punishment and rewards system. What I do have a problem with is the severity and permanence of Allah’s punishment. Sure, I can understand making murderers suffer, but not eternally. At some point it ceases to be punishment and begins to be torture. A God that tortures does not deserve praise.
February 14th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
• Last thing look to those verses they are too long so I didn’t wrote them with the past comment put you’ll find your answer clearly here:
In sura 23: The believers verses 84-end
but I’m asking and seeking you for one thing(just one thing): to hear this sura from someone who read it, and I know that you don’t know Arabic, but just hear it once, and tell me about it, that’s all I’m seeking you about it, try it you will not lose something
the link of the sura is:
http://quran.islamway.com/quran3/147/023.mp3
the verses:
[84] Say: “Whose is the earth and whosoever is therein? If you know!”
[85] They will say: “It is Allâh’s!” Say: “Will you not then remember?”
[86] Say: “Who is (the) Lord of the seven heavens, and (the) Lord of the Great Throne?”
[87] They will say: “Allah.” Say: “Will you not then fear Allah (believe in His Oneness, obey Him, believe in the Resurrection and Recompense for every good or bad deed)?”
[88] Say “In Whose Hand is the sovereignty of everything (i.e. treasures of each and everything)? And He protects (all), while against whom there is no protector, (i.e. if Allah saves anyone none can punish or harm him, and if Allah punishes or harms anyone none can save him), if you know?”
[89] They will say: “(All that belongs) to Allah.” Say: “How then are you deceived and turn away from the truth?”
[90] Nay, but We have brought them the truth (Islamic Monotheism), and verily, they (disbelievers) are liars.
[91] No son (or offspring) did Allah beget, nor is there any ilâh (god) along with Him; (if there had been many gods), then each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have tried to overcome others! Glorified is Allah above all that they attribute to Him!
[92] All-Knower of the unseen and the seen! Exalted is He over all that they associate as partners to Him!
[93] Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) “My Lord! If You would show me that with which they are threatened (torment),
[94] “My Lord! Then (save me from Your Punishment), and put me not amongst the people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers).”
[95] And indeed we are Able to show you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) that with which We have threatened them.
[96] Repel evil with that which is better. We are Best-Acquainted with the things they utter.
[97] And say: “My Lord! I seek refuge with you from the whisperings (suggestions) of the Shayâtin (devils).
[98] “And I seek refuge with You, My Lord! Lest they should come near me.”
[99] Until, when death comes to one of them (those who join partners with Allah), he says: “My Lord! Send me back,
[100] “So that I may do good in that which I have left behind!” No! It is but a word that he speaks; and behind them is Barzakh (a barrier) until the Day when they will be resurrected.
[101] Then, when the Trumpet is blown, there will be no kinship among them that Day, nor will they ask of one another.
[102] Then, those whose scales (of good deeds) are heavy, they are the successful.
[103] and those whose scales (of good deeds) are light, they are those who lose their Own selves, in Hell will they abide.
[104] The Fire will burn their faces, and therein they will grin, with displaced lips (disfigured).
[105] “Were not My Verses (this Qur’ân) recited to you, and then you used to deny them?”
[106] they will say: “Our Lord! Our wretchedness overcame us, and we were (an) erring people.
[107] “Our Lord! Bring us out of this. If ever we return (to evil), then indeed we shall be Zâlimûn: (polytheists, oppressors, unjust, and wrong-doers).”
[108] He (Allah) will say: “Remain you in it with ignominy! And speak you not to me!”
[109] Verily! There was a party of my slaves, who used to say: “Our Lord! We believe, so forgive us, and have mercy on us, for you are the Best of all who show mercy!”
[110] But you took them for a laughingstock, so much so that they made you forget My Remembrance while you used to laugh at them!
[111] Verily! I have rewarded them this Day for their patience: they are indeed the ones that are successful.
[112] He (Allah) will say: “What number of years did you stay on earth?”
[113] they will say: “We stayed a day or part of a day. Ask of those who keep account.”
[114] He (Allah) will say: “You stayed not but a little, if you had only known!
[115] “Did you think that we had created you in play (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to us?”
[116] So Exalted is Allah, the True King: Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Lord of the Supreme Throne!
[117] and whoever invokes (or worships), besides Allah, any other ilâh (god), of whom he has no proof; then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely! Al-Kâfirûn (the disbelievers in Allah and in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, pagans, idolaters) will not be successful.
[118] and say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) “My Lord! Forgive and have mercy, for you are the Best of those who show mercy!”
waiting for your comment
February 14th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
Hello Sidfaiwu
“Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him (in worship), but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He wills; and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin” sura 4: women verse 48
the only will have the eternally punishment is who injustice themselves by making with Allah partners, otherwise all will go to paradise even if their evil deed is more than good deed, Allah forgive them if he willed or punish them for as long as he willed (but not forever), “and Allah treats no one with injustice”
February 14th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
sura 25: THE CRITERION, THE STANDARD verse 70 “Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds; for those, Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
February 14th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Really? I thought Hell was an eternal thing. Allah lets people out of Hell once they repent? That IS interesting, if true.
I’ll have to catch up with you. You post faster than I can read.
February 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
you misunderstand, “Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism)”, that means in the live not after death.
Allah lets people out of Hell as the good as they are, some will touch the hell some will spent more as how much good deed they do, or by the forgiveness of Allah, the only eternal hell is for [“Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him (in worship)]
February 14th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Well, sounds to me you have to repent while alive, so after dying you get the sticky end of the stick without refunds. Hard to do good righteous deeds in hell, I would assume.
February 14th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
So Allah does eternally torture some of his own creation?
February 14th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
In sura 64: MUTUAL DISILLUSION, HAGGLING verse 10 “But those who disbelieved (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) and denied Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they will be the dwellers of the Fire, to dwell therein forever. And worst indeed is that destination.”
I got your question, I understand it, this is the question how Allah creates a thing to eternally torture?
Do you know the story of the devil Iblîs (Satan)!?
Allah tells the angels to fall down prostrate to the man he will create all the angels obey and just Iblîs (Satan) disobey the order of Allah, then Allah said to him Then get out from here; for verily, you are outcast, then Iblîs (Satan) said: “By Your Might, then I will surely mislead them all (mankind).
so Iblîs (Satan) will be in the hell forever, because he disobey Allah order, and after that we see all of the evil of him, he is trying to make too many from the mankind with him in hell, because he disobey to prostrate to the man that Allah create.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
I want you to think of:
who’s fair, if Allah who create us not fair, who’s fair if Allah with all this blessing that he give us is not fair, who’s fair if Allah who arrange the paradise to be our home forever and decorated to us is not fair, who’s fair (we) that we never though to thanks him for any of his blessings, as the ability to see, others born blind, they’ll die to see only once for just one second, have we thank Allah that much of his blessings, we are in a good health, we have money to eat and to spend, and we have all this technology to serve us in our lifes without Allah willed we willnot know anything, he is our creater no one creates us except him, so he is our god and the one who deserve to worship
February 15th, 2007 at 9:04 am
Who’s fair? If Allah gave us the ability to suffer and than tortured some of us for eternity? Who’s fair if Allah gives all of us a sense of justice that he then violates by punishing people two much?
I agree that we have a lot to be thankful for. But being well off in this life does not make up for an eternity of suffering. There is no comparison.
Allah is not fair, Allah is sadistic (the Christian God isn’t any better, by the way).
February 15th, 2007 at 10:12 am
TRUTH, you seem to hold some very VERY creative interpretations of those texts. I’ve never read them before, but you seem to be assigning meanings to them that they don’t have.
For instance, the bit about the earth moving, sounds more like it speaks of erosion and how material things are but fleeting.
your understanding of physics and astronomy aren’t to great, but suffice it to say that in no way the earth is stationary. Not it’s orbits, not it’s tilt, not it’s spin, not it’s landmasses etc etc.
Back to the Allah is fair, thing.
Reading this, why are you still alive? Or any of us for that matter. If paradise is so great, wouldn’t we all want to be there? If Allah were fair, wouldn’t we all be born into paradise in the first place?
February 15th, 2007 at 10:18 am
@Alcari
We’re not put into paradise immediately because God wants to play with us for awhile. If we all just went to heaven, that wouldn’t be any fun. Plus by doing it this way, God gets to banish those he doesn’t like. And if you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Would you want all of humanity in your house? I think not. God is just hazing us right now to root out the weak and lame ;)
gasmonso
February 16th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Hello Sidfaiwu
I think we came to transect road, I think Allah is fair and you think not, but I think we can’t judge on Allah, because we are not gods to judge on Allah, who knows maybe I didn’t know with my few info. That point but maybe you meet someone that more info. More than me and he can help you, but I really love to speak with you, here is [url=thetruth_light@hotmail.com]My mail [/url] , anything you want it mail me and I’ll try to answer it as fast as I read it, my advice to you if you want to learn about any religion try the religious sites of that religion not other, because there’s who doesn’t know anything about anything.
And last thing I’d asked you to hear sura, I don’t know if you heard it, but if you heard it you didn’t comment about it, so here is [url=http://quran.islamway.com/quran3/147/023.mp3]the link [/url], and here is a site with the addresses of the Islamic centers in the country if you want to know more info. About Islam:
http://www.islamicfinder.org/addwiz.php?lang=%20english
good bye
February 16th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
“I think Allah is fair ”
Lets see. First he invents a hell to torment people for eternity - then he creates unbelievers to fill it.
When he get tired of this after a large numbers of milleniums he decides to show how fair he is.
He then sends warnings to a single man with a fondness for war: “believe I exist and obey my messenger or you will all burn”.
For the next 1400 years he does nothing more - not even picking another messenger - except welcoming a number of billions more souls to his hell and rewarding his believers with sex.
“I think Allah is fair and you think not, but I think we can’t judge on Allah, because we are not gods to judge on Allah”
Thats exactly why I dont go to religious sites to learn about religions like Islam.
You wouldn’t go to a manufacturer either if you wanted to know if their product is good and healthy, would you?
February 16th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
hello gasmonso, Alcari
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• 1st of all: did you hear about this man who is the general manger of Microsoft who takes half-million per month and he has just the elementary grade?
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• No, why? because, no way some who work at this company even as security if he has just the elementary grade, and takes that money, so why do you think you must go to paradise, you need to qualify first, how? By doing all good things in life and keep away the evil thing?
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• And do you think Allah is fair, if he put the powerful oppressor with those they injustice them.
• that’s the fair as you think right, that’s mean you don’t have to do anything to go to paradise.
Ok I’ll be with you, so if you are working to get money, leave your work and if your manager is fair he will give your money back without working, because wouldn’t we all want to have money.
You can’t lie on the couch and get money, that’s the same rule for paradise.
for Mr. Alcari
you attacked me that I’m assigning meanings to texts that they don’t have in the 1st paragraph
at 2nd you said that I give answers of materials and I got less info. In physics and astronomy, then you said that I said that the earth is “Not it’s orbits, not it’s tilt, not it’s spin, not it’s landmasses”, and that I never ever said it
the last thing about fairing stuff I think I answered it above
for the texts meaning, ok you got to bring me your reference, like you know how to translate from Arabic to English, so if you don’t, Don’t attack others without any reference, it’s not just by feeling, all what I wrote from verses meaning was pointed the place of it in quran to make it easy to you to check it if you want, I think that’s the 1st point
2nd who said that the earth is not moving?!!!
Sidfaiwu asked me “what does mean the earth is fixed abode” and I answered this question.
and if you checked February 13th, 2007 at 4:46 am I have commented the comment No. 21
you’ll see that I proved that earth is moving and we knew it (Muslims)
February 16th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
who said that before there was no religion and all people in the hell, there was no islam before 1400yr but before there was the definition of islam is to pray to one god and there were all the prophet before our prophet.
“You wouldn’t go to a manufacturer either if you wanted to know if their product is good and healthy, would you?”
no the smart thing is go to other manufacturers and read their lies about the other manufacturer.
you got mind to think and to know the right from the wrong , you ain’t small.
for other i’m so polite more than you, so i’m not going to respond to what you said
February 16th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
“you got mind to think and to know the right from the wrong , you ain’t small.”
Just curious. Do you know what is right and wrong? or do you need a book written 1400 years ago by a mass-murderer and slave-owner to tell you the difference?
February 16th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Not to mentioned that he has allowed iblis(satan) to walk among us unseen unknown constantly trying to make us disobey god…
Oh and I do understand Arabic so I can pretty much tell you that the scientific stuff they get out of the Quran is no more valid than the bible code, fancy interpretations and wishful thinking nothing more(not to mention contradictions)
February 17th, 2007 at 3:29 am
Agony,
You know nothing about Arabic, you try to mislead people and make them feel like you know Arabic.
I think brother Truth answered a lot of questions, I wasn’t able to answer it from the Quran, and you attacking him because what he says makes sense, and you feel like you are disable to deny the facts he mentioned.
Sadifu, hell is not written to all human-being, we as a Muslims don’t guarantee the heaven to our slef, we are trying to do what Allah says, and avoid what he forbid, and by his mercy, we can make it to heaven, so there is ways to avoid hell.
God bless you brother Truth, I hope and pray that people here listen and think, and use this mind to find God.
February 17th, 2007 at 6:16 am
خـلِّ ادّكـارَ الأرْبُــعِ والمعْـهَـدِ المُرتَـبَـعِ
والظّـاعِـنِ الـمـودِّعِ وعــدِّ عـنْــهُ ودَعِ
وانْـدُبْ زَمانـاً سلَفـا سـوّدْتَ فيـهِ الصُّحُفـا
ولـمْ تــزَلْ مُعتكِـفـا علـى القبيـحِ الشّـنِـعِ
كـمْ ليلَـةٍ أودَعْتَـهـا مـآثِـمـاً أبْدَعْـتَـهـا
لشَـهـوَةٍ أطَعْـتَـهـا فـي مرْقَـدٍ ومَضْـجَـعِ
وكـمْ خُطًـى حثَثْتَـهـا فـي خِزْيَـةٍ أحْدَثْتَهـا
وتـوْبَــةٍ نكَثْـتَـهـا لمَـلْـعَـبٍ ومـرْتَــعِ
وكـمْ تجـرّأتَ عـلـى ربّ السّمَـواتِ العُلـى
ولـــمْ تُـراقِـبْـهُ ولاصدَقْتَ في ما تدّعـي
you know arabic, so here we are, there are some arabic text above as you see, let`s see how good you are in translation, you know something i’m pure arabic?
if you don’t translate it that means i’m right and you are so wrong.
thank’s mohammed i read some of your posts in “Pope Angers Muslims–Forecast Calls For Riots”, and god bless you brother for what you did and do
February 17th, 2007 at 6:43 am
for you ulrik
“a large numbers of milleniums”
“mass-murderer and slave-owner”
i think you are from the men that who goes to macdonald’s and ask there if burger king is better?
every one knows that there is god , expect some who think they creates themselves, and i’m going to ask you question “what is the soul”, until now no on the earth also the scientific didn’t find this answer and they will not, or you want to say that there is no soul?
and from your aggressive way i see another miracle with you 20:ta-ha verse 124 “But whosoever turns away from My Reminder (i.e. neither believes in this Qur’ân nor acts on its teachings.) verily, for him is a life of hardship, and We shall raise him up blind on the Day of Resurrection”
for me i’m very happy in my life, at least i sleep and if Allah willed i’ll go to heaven if i died, so i’m not scare if i died at any time any where
February 17th, 2007 at 7:32 am
“every one knows that there is god , expect some who think they creates themselves, and i’m going to ask you question “what is the soul”, until now no on the earth also the scientific didn’t find this answer and they will not, or you want to say that there is no soul?”
Well, I for one, do not know if there is a god. Frankly I do not need a god, never had any use for one and do not see any need for in the future. I tend to believe in myself and my abilities.
If God exists, he may come and have a coffee/beer/etc during his visit and I have nothing against that but I do not need him. If he would appear, I would say he exists but I would not worship him, and any possible bullying by divinity is not taken in good spirit.
As for soul, to me a soul is me, I am my own soul. It is no separate entity residing within me but what I am, have done, will do all that is my soul. Aristotle put it into writing quite nicely in the De Anima.
“for him is a life of hardship, and We shall raise him up blind on the Day of Resurrection”
This fragment is what is wrong with religious texts. I find it hard to believe that people want to believe in a being who is that cruel and callously maims people just because they were not willing to subject themselves to be his slaves.
Religious texts keep demanding self subjugation to some higher power and from a historical view point slavery is so ingrained into humanity that it should not surprise but it does.
First examples of slavery are from around 11000 BCE in the town of Jericho and it has been continuing from since and most like predating Jericho also. Slavery as a means of societal control has been effective in the past but humanity has reached a level of understanding where such behavior is hard to justify, perhaps it has just evolved and uses religion as a camouflage?
“if Allah willed i’ll go to heaven if i died, so i’m not scare if i died at any time any where”
I do not have any need for heaven after death as I am satisfied with what I have and the thought of a “better” place as heavens are described do not really make be want to get there. The descriptions of heaven sound to me like hedonistic paradises or places of strict rules where free will is no more. Neither pleases me.
I have no fear of death as it is natural conclusion of life, regardless of what caused it. I need no divine comfort “blankie” to tell me that death is not so bad as it never has been a bad thing to me to start with.
My lack of fear of death is not fatalism. I am not taking idiotic risks as I have no fear of death. I dislike pain in sufficient amount to be that foolish. I just find the natural cycle of life to be sufficient to me. It seems absurd to be scared of it. I do know people who are afraid of death but most of them are very egoistic and a concept of being forgotten is mainly their greatest fear.
sorry, got a bit long winded. Ta daa.
February 17th, 2007 at 8:25 am
Yeah it shows that you’re pure Arabic:) from your English mostly.
About your poet, it’s pretty long worded “forsake your four wonts and the place you have come to know….etc” it pretty much goes on in the same style until the end where it says “how often have you dared/opposed god, and didn’t even speak truly about your claim?” Pretty lame if you ask me, but then again it’s most likely said by some super ReligiousFreak.
Hopefully you and Mohammed can accept the fact that there are some Arabs here too who are atheists, but apparently this is not the case here.
Oh and what soul are you talking about? until you actually show that there is a soul you don’t have a point. As a good old Arabian proverb goes: “What was presented without evidence, can be rejected without evidence.”
And your Ayah there doesn’t prove anything, it is more or less a self fulfilling prophecy.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have some other gods to kill. The abrahamic god isn’t even the best among them.
February 17th, 2007 at 9:28 am
the only thing that you translated right is “didn’t even speak truly about your claim” and the other thing is yes it was a poet, other else not even a word.
“Oh and what soul are you talking about? until you actually show that there is a soul you don’t have a point. As a good old Arabian proverb goes: “What was presented without evidence, can be rejected without evidence.”
i asked you what’s the soul?where’s the point in here?
i said that if you say that there’s no soul say just yes.
for the 1st line of the poet he translated
“forsake your four wonts and the place you have come to know….etc”
the right translation is:
leave thinking in home—- and the place that you revisited too many (as you love it) in the spring.
that poet for abo atahia
“but you seem to be assigning meanings to them that they don’t have” if you think that i’m assiging the meanings to them that they didn’t have, you’ll not use the word “SEEM”
that’s mean you are not sure.
February 17th, 2007 at 9:33 am
And back for you Mohamed.
“every one knows that there is god , expect some who think they creates themselves”
No mythological creatures in the history of mankind has ever been proven to exist. Neither Allah, Ganeshi, Santa Clause or unicorns - so to answer your question. Noone knows whether there is gods in this universe or not - but a lot of people believe so.
You feel Allah exists in your heart but its really just your brain thats fooling you - and that has recently been scientifically proven here in Denmark.
It’s a bit different with evolution. Unlike religion it has been proven true on all occasions and makes a lot more sense than religion even though it can be hard to understand.
“i’m going to ask you question “what is the soul”, until now no on the earth also the scientific didn’t find this answer and they will not, or you want to say that there is no soul?”
Yes there is no soul so there is really nothing to find for scientists except reasons for people believing such things. All feelings - love, hate, fear etc. - inside you is the work of the most amazing thing about humans. Your brain. Make the best use of it.
My guess is that believing in souls is one of the oldest religions we have. The moment mankind realized that everybody is destined for death, some kind of escape was needed - a thing that can survive death - a soul.
Mohamed: “so i’m not scare if i died at any time any where”
You see what I mean? :)
Later afterlifes for these souls were invented by ambitious people who wanted power. Muhammed is a good example.
“But whosoever turns away from My Reminder (i.e. neither believes in this Qur’ân nor acts on its teachings.) verily, for him is a life of hardship, and We shall raise him up blind on the Day of Resurrection”
You see? threats. Thanks for again helping me with examples :)
You call me aggressive but read again.
I did not write anything false about your prophet. You consider the truth agressive?
I’m glad you sleep well and why shouldnt you? If you are wrong you will never know when you die.
February 17th, 2007 at 10:18 am
I would be interested in reading the research that recently proved that mythological beings cannot exist, and they are figments of our imagination. That, to me, seems to be a fundamental detail, and one that you’ve glossed over…
February 17th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
@Outsider
Actually they can exist, as long as they don’t have a property that contradicts other properties or a principle of nature/logic(depending on the medium in which your creature lives). But then again, although Russell’s teapot _could_ exist I don’t think anybody believes it does.
@TRUTH,
Okay, yes there is no soul.
I definitely don’t want to turn this into literature, but where did “spring” and “thinking” come from? (just drop a quick line no quick explenation)
And yes you’re assigning meaning that isn’t there.
February 17th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
خلِّ فعل أمر من خلّى، بمعنى ذر أو اترك، و ما أكثر استعماله في لهجتنا العامية هذه الأيام.
ادّكار: مصدر من ادّكر و أصلها اذتكر على وزن افتعل من فعل الذي هو : ذَكَرَ، و ادكار هنا بمعنى تذكُّر.
الأربع جمع رَبع، و هو المنزل
والمعْـهَـدِ المُرتَـبَـعِ:
المَعهَد: الموضع الذي عهدته من كثرة زيارتك أو شدة حبك له.
المرتبَع: بفتح الباء اسم مفعول، أي الموضع الذي أصابه الربيع
February 17th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
you said there is no soul,ok good
how we are living
the doctors can with this all technology, make the heart pumb and also make the lungs breath and make the blood take the cycle in the body, so “how we die?”
February 17th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
“And yes you’re assigning meaning that isn’t there”
you know this:
“What was presented without evidence, can be rejected without evidence.”
February 17th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
“I would be interested in reading the research that recently proved that mythological beings cannot exist, and they are figments of our imagination.”
If you responded to my post I must say you misunderstood me.
I wrote:
“You feel Allah exists in your heart but its really just your brain thats fooling you - and that has recently been scientifically proven here in Denmark.”
The researcher scanned religious peoples brains and the result shows that they really truly think they speak to a living creature when they pray to a god - I guess a child talking to Santa Claus would provide the same result.
February 17th, 2007 at 5:46 pm
Agony,
Do you know now that you don’t know Arabic, so please don’t act like you know Arabic, so you understand Quran and mislead other people, Truth put a test for you and you failed to pass it.
I think Truth has a valid point, they can make your heart pump, but you are dead, every body knows that they have seoul, if you denied, you just being stubborn.
An we say Stubornity generates Athiesm, so I think that’s accurate discreption for you Agony.
Santa clause didn’t create you. It really amazes me and I’m going to say for a million time, why human being try to downgrade them self to a monkey, and god make Angels kneel down to Adam, Angels are supposed to be better than us, even for the material they made of(light), yet God make them kneel down for Adam, and you all want to be a monkies.
I feel like I’m in zoo here :)
February 17th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
Ulrik, that’s exactly what I thought you were saying, but the way it was said was that it has been proven that your mind is playing tricks on you when you pray.
“The researcher scanned religious peoples brains and the result shows that they really truly think they speak to a living creature when they pray to a god - I guess a child talking to Santa Claus would provide the same result.”
Would someone talking into a phone give the same result, too? What about someone talking to another in the same room? What the research says is that the person praying actually believes it to be a form of communication. It does not say that that is a trick of your mind, or that it is not a form of communication. All it says is that people who pray use the same mode of communication as someone talking to another.
That’s all. It’s not a trick of mind; it’s a common way of thinking.
February 18th, 2007 at 3:21 am
@Mohammed,
Actually I don’t.
I did the translation from the top of my head with no archiac dicctionary or outside recources.
I’m gonna take your flamebait: I prefer being “a monkies” rather than believe that a chauvanistic blood-thirsty intolarant God created me, but if it makes you sleep better you can believe that.
@Truth,
We “live” just like some highky avanced machnies function, we already replace living body parts with machines, soon enough we can replace all of it.
Oh and do present one or two of those miraculous verses so we can get to the bottom of the matter.
February 18th, 2007 at 7:04 am
mohammed said:
“Do you know now that you don’t know Arabic”
agony said:
“Actually I don’t.
I did the translation from the top of my head with no archiac dicctionary or outside recources.”
that means really he don’t know arabic that much, and look to this:
“And yes you’re assigning meaning that isn’t there.”
how did he know if he didn’t know arabic, that’s means one thing that i’m TRUTH in you are just agony.
February 18th, 2007 at 7:32 am
for you Agony & Ulrik & others:
i got 2 challenges if you do one of them you win, if you don`t and you will not you lose:
1st one: go to the morgue (death refrigerator) check for somewho and return it to life, you know if his heart stops just pumb it again and he will back as new, and another pumb for lungs, and if he needs blood exchange make it to him, if he need arms weld it to him, if any of his organ expired, check for another body and take it from it, or make it it’s just pumber.
2nd one: gather all of you to this, create a red butterfly with black lines, that if you see it you can’t know the difference between it and other, and yes you can use materials, i know that you all say that everything happens by reactions of the material, so reactions some materials and get us this red butterfly with black lines in it’s back, and give us the prescription, because i love to know
if you can’t, so who are you to talk, if you have a body with all organic and you don’t even make it move for 1 second, and you can’t create disgusting bug as butterfly, why you flatter yourself, can you give us honey as bee or milk as cow, that’s means cow and bee are better, if you can so really i want to see this, iam waiting for cow man and bee man, it’s easy i know you can create any thing, by the way is saturn your’s?
February 18th, 2007 at 9:02 am
@TRUTH
Why would a god create disgusting bugs, as you say?
And what are you talking about? You know morgue as a word, and then define it to us? You know Prescription but yet write incoherently otherwise? Are you just a Troll?
February 18th, 2007 at 9:45 am
Outsider:
“Would someone talking into a phone give the same result, too?”
Are you saying that religious people hear voices in their heads?
They believe something communicate with them which they have never met, never seen, never heard, never physically felt - only told by others that the creature exist - just like Santa Clause. That is why I consider it a trick of the mind.
Of course people who believe in gods would disagree with me on this.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:18 am
@Truth,
go to the morgue (death refrigerator) check for somewho and return it to life, you know if his heart stops just pumb it again and he will back as new, and another pumb for lungs, and if he needs blood exchange make it to him, if he need arms weld it to him, if any of his organ expired, check for another body and take it from it, or make it it’s just pumber.
Sorry, too lazy to do the actual experiment on humans, but there were some guys who did it with dogs, is that good enough for you?
http://news.com.com/2061-11204_3-5777094.html
I wonder if a few thousand years ago people used to ask “Can you make lightning bolts? no? didn’t think so. That should teach you not to question Zeus.” I don’t like the logic in it though…
February 18th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Ulrik, what I’m saying is that there is no proof of anything other than people who pray view it to be communication. Yeah, maybe they’re talking to nothing. Maybe not, though, and this research doesn’t prove anything other than they think they are talking to someone.
What you are saying is that if you believe you are talking to someone without ever having an proof that that someone exists your mind is not working properly. That’s not what te research is saying, though, and to use the research to say that is misleading. It’s like the ID supporters saying that evolutionists disagree on details so they all must be wrong.
February 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
“and this research doesn’t prove anything other than they think they are talking to someone.”
Yes - why do you consider that a small thing?
I think it says a lot about religios minds and why so many people continue to believe in supernatural creatures long after they mature.
If Jesus is as real in your head as your own dad - even though you never met Jesus for real - how can you convince yourself he doesn’t exist?
February 18th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
“What you are saying is that if you believe you are talking to someone without ever having an proof that that someone exists your mind is not working properly.”
Yes - a psychiatrist would say the same :)
“That’s not what te research is saying, though, and to use the research to say that is misleading.”
I am sorry if you feel misled, truly I am, but I think its a rather obvious conclusion on the research. Replace “God” with “Talking Teapot” and you believe you would reach the same conclusion.
February 18th, 2007 at 8:44 pm
The problem is simple, though. You’re just saying that to have belief is, de facto, to be nuts. Whatever, if you believe that to be true, that’s fine… but you’re backing up that claim with research that doesn’t actually say that.
The research only says that to pray is to talk to God. Nothing more, nothing less.
But, if you believe that God exists, then you would consider that to be a forgone conclusion. I believe that you exist, and are not just a machine that is designed to refute anything I say. So when I write this, I’m talking to you, even though I have no proof you exist. Replace “God” with “Ulrik” and would you come to the same conclusion? That’s what I’m saying.
To be honest, in this day and age (with electronic communication being so powerful) I have many friends for whom I have almost no proof of their existance. God is just like that, with the added problem of getting anything back from him… :) But seriously, if you can accept that you’re talking to a human being and not a bot designed to spam, you’re doing what every person that prays does: taking it on faith.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Hey i like the way you think friend. Realy no comment on the article.Didn’t look at the cartoons. but i liked the way you explained faith
February 19th, 2007 at 2:46 am
Outsider
I understand what you are saying - finally :) and I am sorry if I did not make myself clear on the research somewhere above.
I do not agree with your comparisons. If I spoke with a bot that wrote convincing I would be fooled fairly and I respond to your writing so some kind of “ulrik” must exist.
However people who speak with God do not get any response that fools them - unless they take certain situations as a “sign” from God of course. It is as I see it therefore their own mind that fools them - not responses from the outside world as your examples shows.
February 19th, 2007 at 9:16 am
indeed, unless god replies, you might as well be talking to your imaginary friend, or a chair…
mohamed, Why do you insist god created us? Why do you lower yourself to the creation of someone who says himself he is a jealous and bloodsthirst individual?
Out of all the possible combinations of genes, are you not priviledged to exist? I don’t see why you would not choose to think of yourself as the pinnacle of evolution, but rather a degenerate creation of a racist, jealous grudge bearing torturer
February 19th, 2007 at 10:01 am
for Agony:
3 hours, “technically dead”
i want him dead not technically, some who gets drowning in water, the heart stops the lungs stops, after that with electric shocks he coming well.
you didn’t add-on anything.
in the article they leave the dog for 3 hours, why not for more, let’s say a week, they can hold it in the refrigerator, or there is something missing, the dog will be as they leave nothing will root and all his organic is just as they leave it, WHY? WHY? WHY?
if you take somewho who dies frost in the cold, if you get him to worm place he will alive.
if you take somewho who dies because of drowning, if you get the water out of his lungs he will be alive.
if you take somewho who dies because of suffocating, if you give him air he will a live.
and i mean by die physically, technically, chemically, …e.t.c.
February 19th, 2007 at 10:39 am
for Jagannath:
i know that i don’t write
“Why would a god create disgusting bugs, as you say”
will i meant with disgusting bugs the fly but i missed when i said butterfly, they are nice.
why did they create for?
i know just 4 reasons for they creation and i’ll say it:
1: to make you see the creation of the god, this small thing can flies fast, eat, disease carrier and look to it’s nervous system, how it eats, and then you know what is that disgusting bug.
2:to make you see how live in this life is, to make you think of better place (paradise).
3:to make you see what ever you are with small disease from that fly or with small virus, next day you are under sands.
4:for those who doesn’t belive in his creation, create like it.
February 19th, 2007 at 10:50 am
if outsider & ulrik excuse me in for interrupting.
for ulrik:
if i slap your face twice, do you will feel pain, is pain exist, can you smell it, see it, hear it, but it’s exist, it’s there, you feel it.
i think i make my point clear
February 20th, 2007 at 3:04 am
Not really :)
Try harder
February 20th, 2007 at 7:05 am
@Truth,
Pain can be measured. It’s as hard to do it as to read data of your internet connection with a multimeter, but it is possible.
And you tell me the difference between clinically dead and really dead. Because I certainly don’t know the difference(if there is any)
Why only 3 hours? No idea. I am not a biologist. The dogs were dead, their hearts didn’t beat, their brains were inactive, they didn’t breathe…etc.
I guess if a scientist gets dogs back to life after 3 days you’ll be asking for 3 years(or 300 like allah did with ahel el kahf perhaps) and so on. Fact is that it has been done, and just like the first airplane was neither fast nor could it fly across the ocean, reviving the dead will become better with time.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:01 pm
for Agony:
” And you tell me the difference between clinically dead and really dead”
let’s get to the definition of dead : not live. Put in our life we use the word dead with those who we try with our knowledge to make them a live and we failed And then we burying them, technically dead: we say it to those who one of their organic system stops and making a threat to the life in the body but still didn’t try all what we can from our knowledge to help them out.
” Why only 3 hours? No idea. I am not a biologist”
me either, the scientific sees that after a long time with “technical dead” the brains stops sending signal to the organics to work even after electric shocks and else, after that the human dies.
So let’s get to the point, we die because one of the organics didn’t work, why? Just stops or the brain didn’t send any signals, why? The cycle of the blood stops to reach the mind, why?…..etc., we will end up with why?
if we are like machines we will live, because every one of the organics is fine so the time doesn’t matter, but the time matters because when we put a body into refrigerator we preserve the organics as fine as they were, but after a time we sees that the human is dead even after electric shocks, that means there is something missing in the cycle?
What’s the time for our life to be expired, even with the major research on animals we are not able until now to know the time of the animal death (ex. This rabbit will die in 22/2/2010 02:30:35 a.m.), or even closer to that date, all we know that this species lasts between 3 or 4 years.
So we miss something, it’s the soul (the life), when the soul rises to Allah who creates it, there’s no life, at this point the eyes of the human raise with the soul, now he is dead.
Who create me and who create everything else?
If you said that my father creates me and my grandfather creates my father, then who creates the first man?
not just, if the first man creates all man kind, that means the second generation of us have the genetically specifications of the first man and the first woman, and so on and so on, nothing new, it’s just the genetically specifications of the first generation, until now everyone of us have his own fingerprint, even twins who’s match in every the genetically specifications have their own fingerprint that didn’t match with any human in the life.
who creates the space, the sky, grounds, planets, stars, animals, insects, air, water, atoms, materials(steel, hydro, oxy, lithium, all the The Periodic Table 118 elements)
who start this universe from nothing, because if doesn’t start from nothing then who creates the first thing, we will return that there is a creater.
who create this universe with this regularity, earth rounding the sun, earth is rounding itself, atmosphere protect us, we are not that far from sun and not that close, oxygen.
and who creates all living kind with this regularity, the nervous system, the endocrine system, musculoskeletal system, gastrointestinal tract system, and so and so.
Who creates the fly and create in one of it’s wings the venom and under the other wing its antidote.
http://www.55a.net/firas/english/index.php?page=show_det&id=133&select_page=5
who creates the human from a spam?
http://www.55a.net/firas/english/index.php?page=show_det&id=56&select_page=6
is it you who create it, or Allah who is the Creator?
http://www.55a.net/firas/english/index.php?page=show_det&id=94&select_page=10
February 21st, 2007 at 7:28 pm
First off, your english is almost as dreadfull as your understnading of basic biology, but i’ll to elaborate.
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we die because one of the organics didn’t work, why? Just stops or the brain didn’t send any signals, why? The cycle of the blood stops to reach the mind, why?…..etc., we will end up with why?
if we are like machines we will live, because every one of the organics is fine so the time doesn’t matter, but the time matters because when we put a body into refrigerator we preserve the organics as fine as they were, but after a time we sees that the human is dead even after electric shocks, that means there is something missing in the cycle?
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Alright here goes…
If i’m right you say that someone who is dead can simply be revived, because we are just machines?
Well the last point it totally true, but the human body is FAR more complex then you seem to think. If you cut of blood from the brain the cells in the brain recieve no more blood. without blood they loose their oxygen, which leads to the brain cells dieing. Dead cells loose their function and cannot be revived, shock or anything.
If someone’s heart stops, the brain looses it’s oxygen supply, but if restarted soon enough, the brain will have had enough reserves to survive without any serious damage.
Throwing someone in the fridge will lead to crystalisation of the water in your cells, which ruptures the cellwalls, killing the cells and thus you.
before making eny scientific claims, do some research.
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“”"Who create me and who create everything else?
If you said that my father creates me and my grandfather creates my father, then who creates the first man?”"”
There is no ‘first man’ It’s called evolution….
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“”"everyone of us have his own fingerprint, even twins who’s match in every the genetically specifications have their own fingerprint”"”
Your point?
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“”"who creates the space, the sky, grounds, planets, stars, animals, insects, air, water, atoms, materials(steel, hydro, oxy, lithium, all the The Periodic Table 118 elements)”"”
Actaully humans created quite a few of those elements, but the answer is of course ‘the big bang’ combined with nuclear fusion creates all the matter we see now.
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“”"and who creates all living kind with this regularity, the nervous system, the endocrine system, musculoskeletal system, gastrointestinal tract system, and so and so.”"”
once again, your lack of biological knowledge shows itself. There are plenty of animal who do not have all of the above.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pm
February 21st, 2007 at 7:33 pm
wordpress killed my html….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(food)
February 23rd, 2007 at 3:44 pm
For Alcari:
First of all: read the conversation before interrupting and giving wrong answers of all questions.
your answer of the brain and the heart is right, but that really proved that you didn’t read the conversation.
i didn’t mean by fridge that you freeze him or putting him in a lower degree, just in degree that keep the body as it was.
“There is no ‘first man’ It’s called evolution”
is this really the answer of this kind of questions, and i really want to know that evolution.
“‘the big bang’ combined with nuclear fusion creates all the matter we see now.”
i think nuclear fusion needs nucleus, that means as you said that there were nucleuses that made `the big bang’, that proved that there is a creater to that nucleus, and that was my point.
and next time if you want to prove that there is no creater start from zero(nothing), because if you said one thing was exist that means there is a creater for this thing.
“Your point?”, READ the conversation.
“There are plenty of animal who do not have all of the above”, is that really what did you understand from the question?!!!
and i was missed between spam and sperm, that make the sentence “who creates the human from a sperm?”
February 23rd, 2007 at 3:51 pm
TRUTH, then who created the Creator? If your response is that he has and always will exist than that could apply to all the matter in the Universe.
Maybe the Universe is God?
gasmonso
February 23rd, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Maybe, gasmonso. That would officially make me a pantheist. Since I don’t rule that possibility out in my theology, perhaps I’d be better labeled as a ‘pan-deist’? I’ve actually thought a lot on this topic recently. I might write about them later.
February 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Wow, lost track of this.
To Ulrik: The conversation is definitively one sided. Or, more accurately, it’s kinda like letters. I talk to God, and he talks to me when I look into the teachings of his prophets (or into the world around me that He created, ect). Sometimes it’s simply one sided; a request for wisdom or personal strength.
I know that I’m not going to get a direct answer from him. But that doesn’t mean that I’m nuts for talking. Maybe he’s listening, maybe not, maybe he exists, maybe not… But the fact that I accept that He exists and may be listening means that it’s not insane (or a malfunction of my brain) to talk to him.
Now, if you want to call me insane for accepting that He exists, that’s a different story. That, however, I would contest is opinion and not something that you can prove (or even reliably debate).
Gasmonso:
The creator created himself. If He created the entirety of the universe, that means he created all dimensions of it, including time. That would mean that he’s not limited by our concept of causuality, because the cause and effect nature of our world is due to the nature of our existence wholy within a world that has a time dimension.
If you created the universe, you create all aspects of it. As time is an aspect of the universe, then you created it. If you create something, then you have to exist (at least partly) outside of it. If you exist (partly) outside of something, then you are not limited to the effects that exist within it. Causuality is an effect of time, which is an aspect of the universe. If God created the universe, then He’s not tied down by causuality.
Of course, it’s also possible that He simple doesn’t exist and the whole universe sprang out of an instant of quantum instability and unprobablity. But it’s impossible to prove either way, and a matter of what you choose to believe at this point.
February 23rd, 2007 at 5:21 pm
@Outsider:
Does anyone here really believe that if God actually existed it would be a He or She or even resemble a human?
gasmonso
February 23rd, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Many probably do. But in reality, a human (in any form!) would be much to limited to hold a being of even immense but finite complexity, never mind an infinite being.
Maybe, after a fashion… but it would still be suprising. And it’s kinda silly to assume that a physical form is required anyway. Would it be possible that we are built in the mental image (in other words, as sentient, thinking beings) of God? We all think somewhat alike, and in a manner that is different from even the intelligent animals (like dolphins and primates)…
Those are my personal thoughts on it. If God exists, (S)He would create us to think, as (S)He does. Physically we’re nothing special; just the decendants of monkeys. Mentally, we’re something different, although whether or not because of evolution or something else (or both!) is something else to discuss.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:57 am
Gasmono,
God put limits to our mind, and that’s one of the things that yout mind can’t reach, how he looks like and how he existed, the other thing that even your vision is limited to see certain degree of light, and the light of God is way more powerful than the sun so many times, I’m saying that to tell you that what is better than heaven and the virgins(the b.s that people think that Muslims looking forward to) to see god by your own eyes, so in order to see him, he has to expand your your eyes ability to see that degree of light.
February 24th, 2007 at 4:09 am
Well, have no idea what god could look like if there is any form to see but have always wondered that what if :)
What if gods form is that of a horned and tailed chap with a red skin? The idea sure makes me feel warm inside as it would be so perfect.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:28 am
Outsider,
I would not call you insane because you do not claim to hear the voice of a supernatural being and admit that you only have the writings of other people who claimed he spoke to them, as communication.
I still maintain that your brain is very likely fooling you, since you as an intelligent adult (I asume :) believe in an unbelievable super-being without any believable evidence at all.
Even if some kind of God or Godess existed and was capable of listening to your talk, you would still have the odds against you, since there are over 4.000 Gods and Godesses in the worlds mythologies - at present time.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:09 am
The vast majority of mythologies discribe the same being, just different aspects of it. So I’d say my odds were something more like 1 in 400 than 1 in 4000… ;)
February 24th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
“Maybe the Universe is God?”
can’t be, look we human have the ability to move walk, make every thing we can do, look as example the sun coming from east to west of the earth by the rounding of the earth, have you ever wake up and see that today the sun is busy so there no sun today or the moon is rounding another planet, No.
but if you look to the relation between universe and human, you’ll see that we have the sun to worm us and to have water on earth not ice and to lighting the earth and else and else, and look to the rain we use it in agriculture and to drink and else and else, that means that universe is for us to live a better life.
i know there is one going to ask me and (the natural disasters), so the answer is:
30:THE ROMANS verse 41 “(Evil (sins and disobedience of Allah) has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned (by oppression and evil deeds), that He (Allah) may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return (by repenting to Allah, and begging His Pardon).”
16:THE BEE verse 61 “And if Allah were to seize mankind for their wrong-doing, He would not leave on it (the earth) a single moving (living) creature, but He postpones them for an appointed term and when their term comes, neither can they delay nor can they advance it an hour (or a moment).
so the natural disasters is what we made from wrong and injustice in our life, and that makes you to do the right every time and mak